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Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

Presumably, the point of mission simulation for Cadets who are aspiring to reach the lowest officer rank at the end of their education is to test their knowledge of Starfleet's doctrines, procedures and the ability to apply them to real-world scenarios they might face in the field, so as to prove that they are ready to face those situations.

If you are presented with the scenario of, say, a freighter attempting to smuggle contraband or a malfunctioning bit of Space Infrastructure, there are clear right and wrong answers, things that the Rulebook specifically demands that you do and things that it demands you don't do. You have to follow those guidelines and also show your ability to adapt if things don't go the way they did in the textbook.

The Kobiyashi Maru is a No-Win Scenario because it puts you in a position where there is no right answer based on Starfleet's rules. If you leave those space truckers to die because of a treaty or if you get your crew killed trying to save them because you violated the treaty, in both cases you're doing something Starfleet Rules say is wrong. That's why its described as a "Test of character," by Kirk when Saavak objects to it. Its testing how you handle a situation where there isn't a correct choice, because that's something an officer may have to deal with once they get out into space.

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Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

indigi posted:

then it’s not neutral it’s “demilitarized”

Based on the context of various Star Treks the rules of the Neutral Zones seem to be that 1) they're not part of any nation's polity and neither power exerts any political authority or can establish any permanent settlements or outposts there 2) the Klingons can go into their Neutral zone, the Romulans can't go into their neutral zone (but do so under Cloak anyway), and the Federation doesn't get to go into either neutral zone.

Asymmetrical treaty obligations are a staple of how the Federation conducts diplomacy. Their society and thus their government places a premium on peaceful relations above and beyond most other potentially competing interests when it comes to other nation-states, so they're often more than willing to give up a lot on paper to get there, especially after the TOS era Klingon Cold War was settled.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

indeed. they took a sick all black Defiant to the borg homeworld, and shut them all off at the source

Yes. Also Data's emotions become stable by explaining that they were erratic in the movie because the chip is literally going through an aging process, so he has to go through basically emotional puberty. And Spock and McCoy are around because they don't believe Kirk really died in Generations because he wasn't alone because of COURSE Shatner had to make Star Trek 5 a keystone of the plot. And Romulans are working with the Borg, and they bring Kirk back as a sleeper agent by brainwashing him with holodeck sex with a hot Tal Shiar agent.

Also apparently that novel was the launch of an entire wing of the Trek EU in which Kirk again takes a leading role in Starfleet operations and Federation politics after this ressurection, stretching through and beyond the Dominion War.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

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SlothfulCobra posted:

I wouldn't call them non-military.

Its a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada :colbert:

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

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Barudak posted:

They conduct research much like japanese fishing trawlers research how delicious whales are

How dare you? Starfleet brought whales back from extinction using time travel, the exact OPPOSITE of what Whalers do!

EXACT. OPPOSITE.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

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~Because a cat's the only cat~
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Schwarzwald posted:

I think you'll find that it was the crew of a Klingon ship that brought the whales back, and the one Starfleet admiral that was aboard got demoted for his involvement.

I think YOU'LL find that that demotion was for an earlier unrelated incident and the Federation Council dismissed a rather large bevy of other criminal charges against him and his crew SPECIFICALLY for resurrecting the whales using time travel! There could be no clearer proof of Starfleet's Pro-Whale policies!

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Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

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~Because a cat's the only cat~
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Trabisnikof posted:

Do the Cetacean members of starfleet have their own kobayashi maru scenario?

They have to fight a whaling ship without Bird of Prey backup

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