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Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My work has projects that have only one dev on them, and then acts insanely shocked when that dev inevitably leaves, and documentation isn't up to snuff, making the employee transition suck balls.

I inherited a bunch of stuff nobody understood when I came in, and when I leave I will have no backup ready, so they're at the mercy of the notes and documentation I was able to compile in the extremely little time I've been able to wrangle for that purpose.

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Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
I work for a state agency that assists other state agencies, and there's often no layer of management protecting me from whatever work requests might come in. It's been better lately, but I have two massive work tasks that got dropped on my lap that my direct boss had no clue about.

This both means that I'm busy as gently caress, and that if I could also basically gently caress off and do nothing all day and nobody would notice since my workload often being massive is well known to all.

Also our leadership being mindboggled at the fact that nearly everyone under 40 bails after ~5 years or so. Who doesn't want to be stuck in a rural state capitol making half the money you'd make in the public sector?

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

ben shapino posted:

i put effort into my work and it helped me get promotions and raises :shrug:

Only way I'm getting raises for working harder is if I jump ship to another firm.

But that's somewhat the norm in my field, for some dumbass reason.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My workplace just sent out a notice saying they're removing the ability to compress your schedule to 4 days a week or have your work start before 7 am, and are giving us a whole week to figure out what's up.


We've had retention issues for years and this is gonna piss a lot of people off who only have stuck around because of the flexibility

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My office wants to cross train people into learning Mainframe poo poo, so we're not boned if one of the 60 year old dudes retires suddenly.

This offer does not come with a pay bump to the level our Mainframe guys are at, and we would still have to do our other duties, whereas the mainframe guys get a lot of free time to watch youtube or whatever when there's nothing to do.

suprisingly, the few people who expressed interest decided not to go through with it after learning the specifics. Similar story regarding the "App developer" position that's sitting unfilled.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

WalletBeef posted:

We keep getting castaways from other teams yet we never hire someone for the team that actually went to school for loving software development and management WONDERS why it takes new developers to come up to speed.


My office had an awful time filling in sudden vacancies a few years back due to a big exodus after a re-org and tried recruiting people with Associates degrees or boot camp degrees who couldn't get work elsewhere.

Most of those people ended up being perfectly competent and fine employees , but a few of them just couldn't do the basics that a freshman in College would be expected to do, without help. Management decided that we'd give the new employees who were struggling to do anything a few months of tutelage and if they couldn't manage even making basic reports or simple code changes by their 6 month probationary period end, they'd be let go.

All in all, still pretty reasonable. Except that instead of pulling in a volunteer, or a developer who was coming off a large project, or anyone else who might have wanted to do this, they pulled in our main systems architect, a dude who was already working insane amounts of overtime due to being involved in every project in flight at some point, and told him he had to do this on top of his normal workload. I'm half surprised that the man didn't up and quit after the first day when he found out that one of the hires didn't even know what a loop was.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

dick wizard posted:

my soul cant take going back to doing scrum meetings in person and i will fight each and every one of you to stay home and avoid spiritual death

I don't mind scrum meetings except for when I'm pulled off on 40 other things to do for a day, it feels awful to go "uh, I didn't do poo poo on this project", especially if a PO is in the meeting.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Imagined posted:

My state hasn't seen a raise for state employees in almost 20 years and their insurance benefits have been frozen (and thus, shrinking every year) for almost 10. The only people left working for the state are people with young families who need the still relatively-generous leave benefits, or old people (literally) grandfathered into the good pension scheme (that was also frozen 30 years ago) who're trying to hold out for retirement.

Here, state employees haven't had a non inflationary raise for about as long (and most years, not even that), Benefits are getting slashed every other year, and have also had a dumbass dual tiered pension scheme based on when you started.

My agency basically relies on an extremely aging core of developers to keep the lights on. There's been a "pay study" for us for the last 3 years that's just been an excuse to block promotions. 50% of people under 40 working there are doing so purely as a resume booster to get their foot in the door of the industry and bail 3 years on the dot from their hiring date. Meanwhile managers are getting chewed out over turnover (we lost double digit % this month alone lol)

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Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My workplace (State govt agency) put pay raises and promotions on hold for over 2 years for a Pay study review, because we have had horrific turnover, and wages have fallen far short of the "90% of private sector average for experience" goal that was to be the target wage for wage band purposes.

Yesterday we had the results of the pay study come out, and the results were basically that yes, the numbers that were being used to determine our pay were insultingly low, so now those are being raised towards somewhat reasonable baselines, but now our target is 60-70% of that number, which means basically nobody is gonna get a raise and this whole clusterfuck was for nothing, and actively harmful given people's promotions have been frozen for potentially years because of this.

It was not that surprising to be asked if I can be a reference for two of my coworkers this morning. People are more pissed than they were before.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
Our Managers have been finding out that the pay restructuring that I have mentioned upthread is heavily unpopular, so they're doing an anonymous survey to see what people think about it.

Oh wait, did I say Anonymous?

I meant, they're telling you to CC each of the 4 layers of management above you to make any complaints and comments.

I feel the only people who are gonna respond are the ones with one foot out the door who couldn't give less of a poo poo about this impacting their future prospects here.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

thathonkey posted:

ive come to find in the corporate world that the key is to not give a poo poo about your job to the fullest possible extent you can to keep being paid. your only real job then is to find that sweet spot. the more you care about anything at all about work the more pissed off and disappointed you will be on a regular basis.

even with this extreme degree of laziness and complacency in practice youll still probably be doing more than many coworkers and have a good chance of being promoted

I'm a state worker, but I'm getting there.

I was legitimately energetic and excited to do my job when I started but years and years of bullshit coming from up top along with literally none of the suggested fixes to our major recurring and critical issues being put into play while our compensation lags further and further behind the private sector has crushed my spirit. The only thing keeping me from clocking in and playing Satisfactory for 6 hours a day after putting in my minimal acceptable effort is the fact that poo poo I work on is actually pretty important for individuals and communities.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Imagined posted:

People laugh at government employees for being slow and lazy but that's literally the logical response of any sane person to the system they're in. If there's a perpetual freeze on raises or promotions or education, if any performance evaluation with too many "exceeds expectations" gets kicked back to supervisors to be dialed down and resubmitted, if the only reward for competency or hard work is picking up the slack and extra work from people who've already given up on trying, you're basically training people to either leave or do as little as they can possibly get away with.

If the monetary benefits of your job literally never increase (and thus actually decrease every month through inflation) and the path to promotion is permanently closed, the only way a sane, rational person has to even the scales is to do less to the fullest extent possible. Talk about perverse incentives. Generally, if you meet a government employee who is motivated and hard-working, they're either so new they don't get it yet, they've drunk an insane amount of protestant work ethic/capitalism kool-aid, or they're an intrinsically motivated saint who truly, truly believes in public service to such an extent that they're acting against their own best interests.

This hits home way too hard.

When I started working for state govt, I busted my rear end, got a lot of kudos and acknowledgement rock solid reviews, and promises of greater things in my future.

Four years later, the only thing that's come true out of those promises is the ability to move out of the state capitol (and that's only because of covid). I legitimately love the gratitude I get when I fix problems for other agencies and make poo poo better for the public, but that's not enough to stave out burnout and our relationship with other state agencies is so bad due to burnout and everyone penny pinching due to hosed budgets that sometimes I get more abuse than anything.

The Boomers working for the state who make way more than anyone else and are grandfathered into an actually decent retirement plan lament how bad the turnover is for people under 35, but poo poo, there's jobs I qualify for that are full WFH and double my pay. Benefits and Work life balance used to be a point in the govt's favor, but they've been loving that up in recent years too.


Imagined posted:

I will say though that the meme about it being impossible to fire government employees is complete bullshit, at least in my experience. It's very possible. You just have to have to actual documented reasons to do so, and documented efforts to get the employee to improve. You know, like a civilized place would treat firing somebody. You can't just say, "Pack your poo poo and get out." Many bosses in government are too lazy to do the necessary work to fire someone, and just bitch about how "impossible" it is instead.

Eh, when I started working for the govt, I was told the only ways I'd ever get fired were by breaking the law or by watching porn at work (don't ask why that came up).

Since then, I've only seen one person actually fired for any other reason, and they got caught billing a month's worth of time to a ticket and doing nothing while already on a PIP. This is likely not the norm, but we currently have 3x more people leaving on a monthly basis than we're getting applications, so beggars can't be choosers.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
Exec level management is forcing lower management to have multiple rounds of sitdowns about the new payscale/job title fiasco to "clear up any miscommunications and misunderstandings" because it was received so poorly.

My boss is openly confused about why he's being asked to do this in our off-site social chat, because there's no miscommunication, just employees understanding that we're being served a huge poo poo sandwich, and apparently they're not even giving him any direction as to what "miscommunications" he's there to correct. He's outright telling us that unless he hears otherwise, he's just gonna let us hop in the teams channel and bullshit for an hour.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Lascivious Sloth posted:

You have a non-work or work-based Teams channel? If it's work based then lol they are monitoring your conversations and thats a terrible platform to vent about work. If it's non-work platform then thats super weird for management to tell your boss to post propaganda on a social media chat.

We have a discord for bullshitting and setting up stuff like DnD nights and whatnot for the younger guys on my workteam since we're kinda tight knit from having to work in bumfuck nowhere in a workplace where the average age is in the mid/high 50s.

My boss/manager is a member of said discord and was venting about the bullshit he's being put through to put a smiley face on a poo poo sandwich and letting us know that he doesn't believe the poo poo they're gonna be having him say in a week or two.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
Our state HR is reaming our dept's leadership over our massive horrible turnover of young talent while also being the ones responsible for the poo poo that is causing our young engineers to bail. How the gently caress can you blame our management for not keeping a specific GIS expert on the payroll when you're the ones who declined the pay raise we tried to give him, twice?

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

8 hours of meetings, all day this week.

I got posted with 8 hours of useless meetings on 2 of my WFH days this week and just played games all day while keeping an ear out for any discussion that tangentially related the stuff I work on (I talked all of twice).

I had other things I could have been working on but my promised pay raise got nuked in our re-org that actually lowered my pay band, so I'm in prime "I don't give a poo poo" mode.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My HR team hosed up my benefits and want me to do the legwork with the insurers to try to get them unfucked. I'm glad we don't share a building with them, because between this and denying me my raise this year, I'd probably say something very unprofessional to them if I saw one of them.


A Festivus Miracle posted:

Help me goons. What do I do?

14/hr is pretty fuckin big. I could deal with some bullshit for a year or two for a 25% raise.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

SkyeAuroline posted:

I've been somewhat trying for a while now. Somehow "they just watch Hulu all day and barely do an hour of work in 8 hours" didn't do the job. Maybe this time.

Wait, you can get fired for that???? ☹

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
Upper management has sent us no less than 10 contradictory emails this afternoon regarding our team's junior dev who is on the hot seat for loving around on the clock.


I legitimately don't care what direction they take since, but they could have spent 15 minutes to work out what they want out of me and the team lead rather than giving us a bunch of confusing and contradictory directives.

The only thing we can do is nothing, because we *can't* follow every instruction given and we haven't gotten any clarification or even an acknowledgement that they need to get on the same page.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
I work with a client at work that loves me and openly hates when a coworker of mine gets put on tickets.

I got yelled at last year by upper management for that client giving a lot of bad ticket feedback despite none of it being on my tickets/work because I'm the expert (meanwhile this coworker is siloed off from me on another team and we're WFH so it'd be a legit hassle to keep up to date on if he's working on anything. I check up occasionally on him in teams and just get generic "things are going great, don't need help!")

My boss's boss contacted the client about the ratings and offered to pull me off their work and the client flipped their poo poo about it, which did end up getting me an apology and a pay raise.

Anyhow, today I got yelled at again for the same coworker loving up repeatedly...

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

History Comes Inside! posted:

And then eat poo poo because it’s out of SLA? gently caress that tell the exec to shove it


Ugh, SLA.


We got pushed hard this year on meeting SLA times for tickets, but the size of the development work is entirely out of proportion with the time allotted so a ticket that will take a week (that shouldn't be a ticket, and usually has no pressing immediate time requirements) might have managers asking about it less than 24 hours after it crosses my desk.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
You don't have admin access to your work computer? :smuggo:

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
The One of the worst decisions you can make is to work a job for a relative who thinks they're doing you a favor by giving you a job.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
The "Get analysts involved in everything because we hired too many last year" experiment at my job is just so annoying.

a routine 30 minute task for me turned into 5 billable hours because our analyst was given the "give X access to Y" ticket and decided to forge ahead and set up a meeting about the ticket and I didn't get asked about it until I was handed the ticket with a pile of entirely useless notes.

I offered to cross train some of the ones I like working with because I know they don't have poo poo to do and they can do simple stuff like text changes, but I got a hard no on that from upper management, because that would mean they could argue that they're junior developers (and get a whole quarter raise?)

I feel like the guy in the meme digging a hole while 10 people sit and watch some days. It's not a great feeling.

Chewbecca posted:

A few years ago I worked for a state government organisation that was moving to hotdesking and lockers and neighbourhoods and all that same bollocks (without the reservations). I left before it was implemented but 100% people were just going to plonk their coffee cup at the desk by the window and sail in at 9.15 every day, neighbourhoods be damned

God help someone who tried to move that coffee cup however

Even though I'm rarely in the office more than once or twice a week, I'm glad I have a bunch of equipment at my desk that can't go home with me so I don't have to deal with this poo poo.

My cube is my cube. Its not a window one but I don't have to deal with moving around.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
Talked to someone from HR today as part of a meeting about a promotion I applied for and they causally mentioned some things I know I never said outside of a "confidential" retention survey they ran a few years back.

On it's own, it wasn't anything damning or that would hurt me, but it's certainly bad that they took things I said about why people are leaving and slapped them into my file.

Also having to create a whole presentation for HR on why I deserve to be bumped up a title when they stop paying attention a minute in sucks. I want the raise, my boss wants me in the position so I am not doing work outside of my list of duties, management is okay with it, why do they need a whole dog and pony show to approve the raise? God I love working for state government.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Outrail posted:

lol, you trusted the government

Its not that bad of a job considering I am allergic to the idea of working more than 40 hours a week.

Pay is poo poo but I don't have to deal with the kind of office politics or unpaid overtime that my friends I went to college with have to

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
I got asked if I was interested in joining the team that's going to be looking at doing AI stuff due to upper management dictating it as something we needed to "keep up on"

I said nah.

An hour later I'm on the AI research team. Why even ask my opinion at that point?

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Smuggins posted:

Do we work at the same place? I just heard about "Tasking someone at each controllership" to look into AI.
Same week we were told there will not be salary revisions (1-2% raises usually) a month before they were due to boot.
Accounting doing your basic R&D? That you most likely will ignore like usual if it's negative?
F-Off

I laughed, if they VolenTell me to do it I have so many "AI does not work for our industry or really at all" Info to dump on their desk with zero extra time expended..

We actually just got some big raises so, no. (Gov work so that's not a flex, I still make poo poo for the industry).

But yeah, AI doesn't fit into anything I work on. Because 90% of the stuff I work on has a userbase that's been working in the field since before I was born, don't want anything changed, and know exactly what goes where.



History Comes Inside! posted:

Dumb move when you could spend a bunch of time slacking off researching AI and it’s application to your industry before doing it.

If it is anything like me being on the mobile app initiative, my existing workload would be the exact same, except now there's expectations that our flagshit project moves along in a timely manner until the higher ups find a different shiny to focus on.

Though right now it's mostly looking like it's going to be research based, so I could probably get away with being a lazy piece of poo poo and just copy/pasting most of my personal project code that used CGPT.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Outrail posted:

Is this in your job description?

Lmao.

That ship has sailed, If I was only doing work in my job description I'd be bored to tears.

Deki
May 12, 2008

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Tunicate posted:

You are totally misunderstanding this poo poo in a way that makes it seem more useful and reliable, and then being condescending about it. Great job!

He's right though?

The whole process of chatgpt is literally just choosing which word goes next in the response based on the prompt. It's basically finding the highest likelihood words to go next based on the prompt, chat history, and it's massive set training data.

If you use the ChatGPT API and turn the "creativity", or heat up real high, you don't get ChatGPT being creative, you get gibberish sentences of random words.

And I believe if you set it to 0, you will always get the exact result back, IE: the sequence of words with the highest weight.


There's more to it, but basically just pulling on old data and regurgitating it to you, it's not making inferences or anything.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Bargearse posted:

One of the other guys at my last job told me that at his last job, someone complained in the exit interview that management had enough money for pointless luxuries like coffee machines and a pool table for the break room but kept saying they couldn't afford to give raises. Apparently management's response was to get rid of all the break room amenities. I have no idea what they thought that would accomplish besides pissing everyone off even more.

Break room amenities are a hell of a lot cheaper than substantive raises.

That said, lol at dumping the amenities.

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Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
My old boss and I put a lock on a system so that nobody but he or I could approve changes to it because we had one of our lovely analysts make a bunch of changes, pushed it out, and broke the client facing site.

The same person apparently had permissions enough to grant them a approver role on the project and pulled the same poo poo again.


This person was supposed to be entirely barred from getting any tickets for this particular system after that due to pissing off our client and trying to throw me under the bus for it and getting caught, because I keep receipts.

I know nothing will happen, because our idiot analysts are the golden children due to basically being the only non managers that our upper management deigns to talk to.



Cheesus posted:

Local BBQ closed recently. Their FB postings had big "nobody wants to work anymore!" energy.

One of the notorious owners local places that closed down recently tried this line on facebook and had a flood of people come out to talk about how lovely he was as a boss/tenant/customer/etc.

It was great.

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