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Abongination posted:That's a interesting statistic. So did op forces in Korea and Vietnam only use air forces for intercept? Mostly. There was a pile of dogfighting in Korea, but it was mostly near the NK/Chinese border. To be fair, a good chunk of that is because the Air Force did a good job maintaining air superiority and was fantastically effective at interdiction (why put your planes at air bases that will get the poo poo bombed out of them?). I'm just arguing that US troops getting bombed could have been done with a lot less resource commitment, not that the USAF wasn't effective at it's other missions.
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wins32767 posted:Sure, but Iraq is the only opponent in that list that had a substantial number of planes (ex. the VVS in Korea which had some pretty tight restrictions on usage). Like, North Vietnam had around 100 for most of the war. I'd argue for anyone but Iraq, we'd have had a substantially similar outcome with a much smaller air force. That's certainly a factor, but North Vietnam was definitely in a position to drop some Soviet iron if the opportunity was there. They had limited capability with some of their older MiG designs, but I have little doubt the Soviets would've let them try some newer and more capable air-to-surface aircraft if the air-to-air war was more on their side. While Serbs weren't targeting Americans when we started Op Deny Flight, they were dropping bombs until we removed a good portion of that capability mid-mission, and they basically stopped trying. Air superiority was so well established that when Serbs stole from a cache of collected weapons in a semi-demilitarized area, A-10s were able to wreak so much havoc that they loving brought the weapons back. Intimidation and deterrence is a big part of this effect, but step one is being able to back it up. You have to pose a sufficiently credible threat to an adversary or potential adversary. The F-16 doesn't really do that in a world where S-300s are middle of the road proliferated SAMs capable of plugging into a COTS IADS. Russia will sell a S-400s to anyone with a big enough checkbook. That's a problem for our 1970s jets, AESA radars or not. Abongination posted:That's a interesting statistic. So did op forces in Korea and Vietnam only use air forces for intercept? Korea was an odd one...that last air strike was probably conducted by Po-2s or maybe Yak-18s. The Po-2s in particular had excellent luck evading UN aircraft at night, and were more of an attempt at a psychological weapon than a real tactical or strategic success story. They rarely killed anyone or struck anything particularly valuable, but they could get past the defenses. The armistice was signed a couple of months later, but Fifth Air Force had pretty much eliminated these threats after the April strike...they brought over a bunch of old Corsairs since the performance was close enough that, with ground radar direction they were able shoot down most of the harassment aircraft. There's some good info out there, if you search for "Bed Check Charlie." But yes most of the activity was air-to-air. As for Vietnam, yeah pretty much. Godholio fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Abongination posted:That's a interesting statistic. So did op forces in Korea and Vietnam only use air forces for intercept? The North Koreans tried one old school, WW2 style attack, with a bunch of Tu-2s escorted by Yaks and La-whatevers. It was shot to poo poo without anything to show for it, and that was then end of that except for the nighttime "nuisance" bombers mentioned above. I vaguely recall the North Vietnamese did attack some facilities in Laos, including the one time CIA UH-1 helos chased AN-2 biplanes with M-16s. Edit: The US Navy for sure took casualties from an air attack, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#:~:text=The%20USS%20Liberty%20incident%20was,during%20the%20Six%2DDay%20War. winnydpu fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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winnydpu posted:The North Koreans tried one old school, WW2 style attack, with a bunch of Tu-2s escorted by Yaks and La-whatevers. It was shot to poo poo without anything to show for it, and that was then end of that except for the nighttime "nuisance" bombers mentioned above. How soon people forget an Iraqi Exocet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident?wprov=sfla1 Edit: it looks like the NVAF got a lick in too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Higbee?wprov=sfla1 Flikken fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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gg continues to be as stupid as he is full of spite https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1364618847920283660?s=21
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This is so easy to explain. First, he's making a connections between two things that can't be compared directly. Yes, 11% of zoomers identify as bi, but that will have only a small effect on the relationship statistics. Since the vast majority of bi folks will be from older generations. According to statistics, there are about 67 million zoomers, but the generation spans 1997 to 2012, and 9 year olds are unlikely to be in relationships yet. So the generation is quite a bit smaller for the purpose of this study, and even with a much higher share self identified bi people in this generation, the older generations outnumber the zoomers so much that they contain the majority of bi gals and guys. And there are a host of possible explanations why older bi people are more likely to end up in straight relationships than in gay relationships. Like social stigma and pressure to have children, etc. But the easiest explanation is the simple availability of partners. While they may have affairs with people of their sex on the side, self-identified straight guys and gals obviously can't end up in same-sex relationships/marriages. If we simplify the numbers for easier math, saying about 5% of GenZ are not sexually compatible with straight people in that generation (although the true number is lower, and even lower for straight men because there are apparently twice as many gay men than gay women), and posit on the other side that about the same number is sexually compatible with gay people (even if it's a bit higher, because 5.1% bi people plus 2% gay/0.8% lesbian people is more than 5), we can see how potential opposite sex partner outnumber potential same sex partners. For easier math again, we will assume that women don't outnumber men in the general population, though they totally do. And we ignore people identifying as trans or other, for this particular math exersize only! So 95% of 50%= 47.5% of the general population is sexually compatible with straight and bi people, while 5% of 50%= 0.25% of the population is sexually compatible with gay and bi people. So for bi people, potential opposite sex partners outnumber potential same sex partners 19:1, which means that 10:1 straight to gay relationships ratio is actually skewed in favor of the gay relationships. And this doesn't even covers how complex the issue is, with bi people not necessarily being equally attracted to both sexes, how trans and ace people figure into this, how there's biphobia from both the straight and the gay community (meaning it's not just that some straight people might refuse to get into relationships with a bi partner, there are also some gay people who won't accept a bi boy/girlfriend), etc. In short, putting bi in square quotes and insinuating that the people claim to be bi just to be cool is incredibly lovely be GG. Which is not new for him, of course.
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What if I’m bi because I watched a porno and realized that they weren’t dping the girl, but instead were “load sharing” amongst each other. A cock in every butte. What does Glenny boy say about that poo poo?
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All this tells me that GG is definitely bisexual.
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boop the snoot posted:All this tells me that GG is definitely bisexual. Almost all anti-LBGT rhetoric comes from some deep seeded fear in men because they actually want to play with someone else's dick once in a while.
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Sure we've spent trillions on war fighting, but can you imagine if we hadn't? We might have had someone get shot by an iraqi plane
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https://twitter.com/AnnaForFlorida/status/1364681773750374406 I do not like my governor...
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I hate to sound like a parent, but... You spent your allowance on the Forever Wars, DoD. Maybe if you hadn't, you'd be able to afford that fancy plane you like.
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Mr. Nice! posted:https://twitter.com/AnnaForFlorida/status/1364681773750374406 Meanwhile, in PA. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/540323-pennsylvania-lt-gov-replaces-banned-weed-lgbtq-rights-flags-with-bigger
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Mr. Nice! posted:Almost all anti-LBGT rhetoric comes from some deep seeded fear in men because they actually want to play with someone else's dick once in a while. GG is a gay man. Ge just likes to poo poo on trans and bi and nonbinary people. lGbt is more his style.
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mlmp08 posted:GG is a gay man. Ge just likes to poo poo on trans and bi and nonbinary people. Ah, so it's just bog standard anti-trans and bi-erasure stuff. Thanks!
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mlmp08 posted:lGbt is more his style. I’ve heard GLBT is the warning sign. Supposedly not uncommon among boomers/gen x?
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mlmp08 posted:GG is a gay man. Ge just likes to poo poo on trans and bi and nonbinary people. A gay man who went to bat for Trump but has strong opinions about the negative effects of supporting those who target gay people in his own country. In short GG is not a land of contrasts he's a poo poo head through and through.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Meanwhile, in PA. We need more people like him in politics.
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I’m not sure I trust a chart with a data point at ~120% of weekly deaths.
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Siri, what is the theoretical maximum size of a piece of poo poo? https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1364771553557286913?s=19
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wins32767 posted:I’m not sure I trust a chart with a data point at ~120% of weekly deaths. Below the graph: quote:Source: New York Times database; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services·Data shown is normalized compared with the weekly deaths for the week ending Dec. 20, 2020 and is through Feb. 7. Normalization means setting the death rate at 100% for the rate of the week ending in Dec 20 when vaccine rollout began. The axis goes to 120% because the death rate increased (for "All US Covid deaths) for a while after rollout and now has also started to subside. This isn't an uncommon way to view data.
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There's a huge media disconnect right now where there's an absolute ton of doomer poo poo stories about variants that will kill us all. Meanwhile, the gold-standard vaccines kick the rear end of all variants and the slightly-less-good vaccines still kick it into being unpleasant instead of deadly. Very clear at this point that the poo poo works, especially citing the studies in Israel. The doomer poo poo isn't warranted anymore. Not hard to see a pandemic end from here, though pretty clear that summer can't get here fast enough.
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facialimpediment posted:There's a huge media disconnect right now where there's an absolute ton of doomer poo poo stories about variants that will kill us all. Meanwhile, the gold-standard vaccines kick the rear end of all variants and the slightly-less-good vaccines still kick it into being unpleasant instead of deadly. Very clear at this point that the poo poo works, especially citing the studies in Israel. I am still going to be angry that vaccines will be rolled out to privileged and white disproportionately and in cases like Israel, only to "desirables". We'll deal with the fallout of Covid for the rest of our lives and unless vaccination opt-in rates improve, we'll deal with waves of covid itself for the rest of our lives. That said, it is improving, and will do so to a point but even as that happens its loving up a lot of people along the way entirely due to non-health related choices.
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While I wouldn’t call it doomer, the media could use a bit of rebalancing on the story surrounding vaccines. I get that they 1) don’t want to report on insufficient data and 2) lead to an overall attitude of complacency among the vaccinated but the vaccines are really, really loving good. [url= https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22291959/covid-vaccines-transmission-protect-spread-virus-moderna-pfizer]Here’s a Vox article on the latest data pointing to positive signs that the vaccines also prevent transmission.[/url] It’s really good news all around. The message should be “Get vaccinated as soon as you are able. Once enough of us are vaccinated (summer?), we can all go back to normal. In the meantime, keep up the good work with masking up.” Oh and be absolutely outraged at the racial and wealth disparities of the vaccine rollout.
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Discussion Quorum posted:Siri, what is the theoretical maximum size of a piece of poo poo? 2021s version of "its adam and eve not adam and Steve"
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facialimpediment posted:There's a huge media disconnect right now where there's an absolute ton of doomer poo poo stories about variants that will kill us all. Meanwhile, the gold-standard vaccines kick the rear end of all variants and the slightly-less-good vaccines still kick it into being unpleasant instead of deadly. Very clear at this point that the poo poo works, especially citing the studies in Israel. Holy gently caress, you’re giving me hope. Stop it. Stop it right now!!
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mlmp08 posted:gg continues to be as stupid as he is full of spite Maybe this will make cspam turn on him!
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That Works posted:I am still going to be angry that vaccines will be rolled out to privileged and white disproportionately and in cases like Israel, only to "desirables". We'll deal with the fallout of Covid for the rest of our lives and unless vaccination opt-in rates improve, we'll deal with waves of covid itself for the rest of our lives. Yeah, gently caress Israel for that poo poo, but at least their data is solid as a test case for if the Phase III trials were real-life accurate and that turned out to be a big fuckin yup. We're absolutely not through the poo poo, but at least there's a possible endpoint. Multiple countries have proven that COVID is beatable without vaccines, but it's great news that we can probably come close to beating it, even while being stupid. COVID will probably be around forever, but it won't stuff the hospitals full like it used to. Thwomp posted:Oh and be absolutely outraged at the racial and wealth disparities of the vaccine rollout. An additional positive of all this vaccine research is that even the garbage vaccines developed by Russia and China sure seem to be halfway decent. If I remember right, the J&J vaccine is particularly good because it's cheap, storage requirements aren't nuts, and it should be easier to mass produce. When it comes to wealth disparities, the developing world was always going to get the shittiest vaccine, but it's nice that even the shittiest vaccine is quite good.
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Lol people 60+ aren't gonna get vaccinated until June in Ontario Our signup portal isn't even online yet We need the 1 shot vaccines so bad.
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What exactly has Israel done wrong? Because the story I hear is that western libs are angry Israel isn't invading Palestine to forcibly vaccinate them.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Maybe this will make cspam turn on him! Maybe read it sometimes and you will see most people hate GG as well
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MA-Horus posted:Lol people 60+ aren't gonna get vaccinated until June in Ontario If you're 80 you can sign up on the webportal on March 15th to maybe get scheduled a shot, and 75 in April etc etc. I won't see a vaccine until next year at this rate
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MA-Horus posted:Lol people 60+ aren't gonna get vaccinated until June in Ontario Seeing Americans talking about the vaccine is depressing. It was always going to be this way with the entire population of the world essentially needing it, but it still sucks. At least my grandparents are at the top of the list with their age-group. Hot Karl Marx posted:If you're 80 you can sign up on the webportal on March 15th to maybe get scheduled a shot, and 75 in April etc etc. I won't see a vaccine until next year at this rate I'm definitely resigned to not even being on a list for a vaccine until this time next year.
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Soylent Pudding posted:What exactly has Israel done wrong? Because the story I hear is that western libs are angry Israel isn't invading Palestine to forcibly vaccinate them. no. They just declared that they're vaccinating citizens and leaving the Palestinians to die of the rona as non-citizens
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My local VA system is now vaccinating under 65 vets with risk categories defined by the CDC. I may seriously have a vaccine soon, which is loving great considering DeSantis is doing his best to make sure the vaccine is not actually distributed in Florida.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:no. But Israel is vaccinating Palestinians who have Israeli residence status, including residents of Jerusalem, and the Oslo Accords place responsibility for vaccinations of Palestine citizens on the PA. This seems mostly like the global inequity of vaccine rollouts not being fairly distributed between wealthy and poor countries. Though it is hosed morally and practically that Israel doesn't yet have a program to vaccinate Palpatine residents who work in Israel.
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Soylent Pudding posted:What exactly has Israel done wrong? Because the story I hear is that western libs are angry Israel isn't invading Palestine to forcibly vaccinate them. From Doctors Without Borders: quote:As a medic, I am shocked. The internationally acclaimed COVID-19 vaccination success of Israel has a dark side: the consequences of which are being felt cruelly in the West Bank Palestinian territory where I work, and in the blockaded Gaza Strip where my MSF colleagues work. ...
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