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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Main Paineframe posted:

it's not 66 bombs, it's 66 cities to destroy

which the paper calculates would require 466 bombs

that said, that paper is on the level of "the US planned to invade Canada in the 1930s" stuff - technically true, but not representative of any actual political or military intention to do so

just planning a genocidal bombing campaign for funsies, as you do

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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frankenfreak posted:

"Göring loved coke" :thunk:

hes not wrong

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Maximo Roboto posted:

I was going to make a thread for stupid alternate histories, but I might as well use this one.

Suppose the German princes who historically tried to reestablish the monarchy during the Weimar Republic hooked up with the Nazi movement and rode its coattails back to power, winning the monarchist and conservative vote against Hindenburg in 1932. While in power, crown prince Wilhelm starts cracking down on socialists, and turn on the Nazis. How then would history remember the fallen National Socialist movement, and Hitler?

both the socialists and nazis had massive popular support and huge paramilitary organizations backing them up, so what you're proposing here almost certainly means civil war and that's one that the monarchists aren't winning

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Suplex Liberace posted:

Hello I have a request I need everyone's favorite/good history books. Topic is not super important I just need the biggest list possible to pull from.

liberalism: a counter-history

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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america has had the same dictator for the entirety of its existence, and that dictator is the bourgeoisie

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Punkin Spunkin posted:

History Dads know pretty much the least about history possible (followed by White Dudes in Military Jackets) so this is more of a tragic moment

this is paradox gamer erasure

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Nosfereefer posted:


stalin def fought w/ clowns

yea, and he beat trotsky too

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Ardent Communist posted:

I always admired the mongols for their achievements....can you imagine being a regular mongol guy and there's this guy who used to be the son of a pretty big leader but then his dad died and nobodies heard much about him for a while and then he's back and aligned all your clans and establish a legal system and starting to conquer all comers.
but they also invaded russia in the winter, and it was to their advantage! cause they could use the rivers as roads for their cavalry.

to bring it back to the modern history, anyone who hasn't read a bit about the establishment of soviet mongolia should read a bit, pretty interesting things happening.

it's p funny because nobody seems to realize that the mongols conquered half the world in a generation not because they were some barbarian horde that was just so good at fighting battles but rather because they were literally about 700 years ahead of their time when it came to operational art and logistics

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Spangly A posted:

"what if we shoot the wall that ISN'T impenetrable" was a millenia ahead of any european combattant, sure

but I def feel that it would have been difficult to anticipate, or counter, movement of resources and manpower that were completely impossible without an also completely impossible amount of horses, which god had simply given to mongolia as a prank

im thinking more like coordinating army movements between forces that were literally hundreds of kilometers apart and the enemy suddenly realizing that they've got a couple more mongol armies appearing as if out of thin air from every possible and impossible angle

and you know, invading russia in the winter and not only winning but winning real easy

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

quote:

Between 24,000 and 100,000 Hereros, 10,000 Nama and an unknown number of San died in the genocide. The first phase of the genocide was characterised by widespread death from starvation and dehydration, due to the prevention of the Herero from leaving the Namib desert by German forces. Once defeated, thousands of Hereros and Namas were imprisoned in concentration camps, where the majority died of diseases, abuse, and exhaustion

quote:

On 2 October, Trotha issued a warning to the Herero:

I, the great general of the German soldiers, send this letter to the Herero. The Herero are German subjects no longer. They have killed, stolen, cut off the ears and other parts of the body of wounded soldiers, and now are too cowardly to want to fight any longer. I announce to the people that whoever hands me one of the chiefs shall receive 1,000 marks, and 5,000 marks for Samuel Maherero. The Herero nation must now leave the country. If it refuses, I shall compel it to do so with the 'long tube' [cannon]. Any Herero found inside the German frontier, with or without a gun or cattle, will be executed. I shall spare neither women nor children. I shall give the order to drive them away and fire on them. Such are my words to the Herero people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maji_Maji_Rebellion

quote:

The Maji Maji Rebellion (German: Maji-Maji-Aufstand, Swahili: Vita vya Maji Maji), was an armed rebellion of Islamic and animist Africans against German colonial rule in German East Africa (modern-day Tanzania). The war was triggered by German Colonial policies designed to force the indigenous population to grow cotton for export. The war lasted from 1905 to 1907, during which 75,000 to 300,000 died, overwhelmingly from famine

a force for good where development was encouraged and native governance flourished

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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as i recall the valentine was decent for its time, albeit undergunned

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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"totalitarianism" was and is a bogus concept invented from whole cloth to try to save the myth of western cultural superiority after it had given rise to the open barbarity of nazism, hth

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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i'll criticize bomber harris, his targeting strategy was absolute dogshit for most of the war

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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vyelkin posted:

don't do anything all day they just sit around farting and laughing at the sound and smell of their own farts

life goals right there

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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birdstrike posted:

a few words present, mostly unintelligible gibberish

but enough about your posts

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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sounds like someone was overcompensating p bad

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Endman posted:

You make a good point, but on that note did the US extract any wealth from Vietnam? I’d argue it was a significant drain on the core, attempting to hold it.

yea, but the money spent on south vietnam came from the public purse whereas the profits went to us arms manufacturers and other grifts

so it achieved its purpose of extracting wealth from the working class and hand it to capital in multiple countries at once, even

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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talk poo poo, get hit

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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you should write "the demon cracker nation" not "the american regime" when talking about the state

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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A Buttery Pastry posted:

no, because a nation is not a state, but a people. the demon cracker nation is the people who identify with white america

you should write "the unrepentant spawn of yakub" not "the demon cracker nation" when talking about the people who identify with white america

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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as i recall they did transfer out units to more important theaters once the war really started going south, but im p sure that the kwantung army still had over half a million dudes stationed in manchuria in 1945

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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yea, but its not like they just took the whole army and stuck it on the home islands, most of the units they transferred out went elsewhere and as such would either have been destroyed or were just as stuck with no way back as the actual kwantung army was in 45

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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i'm fairly sure that pound sterling would have been the standard international currency at that point in time

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Fish of hemp posted:

Did you really use the "The"?

if u're not supposed to use the "the" then what the are you supposed to use?

gradenko_2000 posted:

I like the part where Parshall talks about the El Alamein battleplan being partly designed around taking a position that you know the Germans need to counter-attack into/against, and then shifting into the tactical defensive to meet it, where you have an advantage, such as the sponson-armed Grant tanks being able to fight more effectively since being in a defensive role negates the lack of a turret.

it mirrors the American Civil War mentality where you want to move to take strategically important points, but then shift into an operational/tactical defensive, because the actual conduct of a battle favors the defender, even if the "defender" is the side that marched offensively to take key territory before planting their feet and daring the other side to dislodge them

it's always been the case that you want to be on the offensive strategically and on the defensive tactically, even good ol' sun tzu basically wrote as much

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Chamale posted:

Nobody puts the knife down, and that makes it sound ridiculous. You just swap the fork and knife between your hands so that you can use your dominant hand for the current action, which is a lot faster than the European method.

i was gonna dismiss the whole thing as too dumb to be true, but what do you know, here we have someone actually defending this poo poo

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Megamissen posted:

theres a theory that they are descendants on the sumerians

didn't know that about nixon

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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vyelkin posted:

US presidents used to look at maps and think like Paradox game players. A real argument Nixon and Kissinger used to justify their coup in Chile was that if Cuba and Chile were both communist then they would turn all of Latin America into a communist sandwich and conquer the whole region.

used to?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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as far as i understand it the short answer is that the cultural revolution was basically the culmination of a years-long effort by mao to get back into the driver's seat after he was sidelined in '62 due to the great leap forward failing abysmally, and when he finally got back to the top the forces he'd unleashed to get there had completely slipped the leash

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Fish of hemp posted:

I mean, what were the good sides of cultural revolution?

if u think about it it was kinda the ultimate giving the nerds a swirlie of modern times

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