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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Some Guy TT posted:

alright lets try something more likely to start an argument for todays double post

https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532047269314408449

https://twitter.com/MissPavIichenko/status/1532129110595719168

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/bazaarofwar/status/1347989300718219264

reading this thread and i can't help but think of War as a Service and cryptocurrency for mercenaries

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I'm trying to think of all the military advances the French gave us and so far I have

1. Canned food
2. Superfiring battleship turrets
3. The turreted tank
4. The machine gun
5. Giving a poo poo about your country

Artillery hydraulic recoil so you don't have to aim the gun again after firing.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1576875980576415746

germany shock therapied its eastern half :stare:

quote:

Today is "German Unity Day" marking German reunification in 1990. While the elites celebrated the creation of a single German state for the first time since the end of WWII, for the citizens of the German Democratic Republic, it marked a turn towards neoliberal disaster. 🧵

Up until 1990, the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in the east of the country, described itself as a "workers' and peasants' state" which upon reunification was dismantled and turned into a neoliberal experiment cooked up by neoliberal economist Hans Willgerodt.

Willgerodt advocated against regulation and to leave the integration of the GDR into the capitalist west German state "to the market".

Together with the abolition of the GDR constitution and currency, the June 1990 Treuhand Law's first paragraph read: "privatize the people's owned property."

In 1989, people-owned companies hired almost 80% of all GDR citizens and the official unemployment rate was zero. By 1994, three-quarters of those jobs had been lost as the "free" market took over the people-owned companies.

Swathes of workers were unemployed and the authorities purged the GDR's academia, research and scientific establishments. 50% of professionals deemed linked to the workers' state lost their jobs, creating in the east the highest level of professional unemployment in the world.

The capitalist takeover of the former people-owned companies and the threat of unemployment sparked huge protests. Pictured: At least 2,000 Berlin workers protesting in front of the Treuhand Institute. The banner reads "Colleagues, fight back!"


Ultimately, four years after the end of the GDR, East Germany's industrial production crashed by 52% compared to 1989. East German unemployment was twice as high as in west Germany.

More than 30 years after reunification, the average home in west Germany is more than twice as wealthy as the average home in the east, and people in the former earn 997 euros more per month than those living in the latter, according to an inquiry of the German "Left Party".

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/primarycatdad/status/1570739141918457857

quote:

For some few days in July of 1877, the city of St. Louis was held by a revolutionary Commune. You fancy yourself a communist but don't know about the only self-organized commune in the territorial U.S.? Sit right down and listen.

It began, as revolutionary actions often do, with a depression.

Beginning in 1873, the world capitalist economy was struck with stagnation and contraction. It was kicked off by the Panic of '73; a series of bank failures in Austria soon spread to the rest of the world economy. Industrial production in the U.S., which had been growing at a rate of 3x each year, slowed to 1.7x between 1873-1890. There was a 10% decline in manufacturing output during that period, with most of this being in consumer goods, iron, and construction.

On July 14, 1877, the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad cut its wages again - for the third time that year. The railroad workers had no unions, but they spontaneously broke out into a strike. The strike started on July 14, 1877, with B&O railroad workers in Martinsburg, West Virginia. They blockaded the town, a critical rail juncture, and prevented all rail traffic from rolling through, demanding that the wage cut be revoked.

The governor of West Virginia dispatched the National Guard to clear the lines and resume rail service, but the guardsmen refused to fire on the strikers. At the same time, the B&O workers in Maryland took up the strike and closed the railroad center at Cumberland. Albany, Syracuse, and Buffalo New York, all major railyards, closed. The strike spread from the B&O to other lines. In Pittsburgh, the Pennsylvania railroad baron Thomas Alexander Scott recommended the strikers be given a "rifle diet."

On July 21, the Pennsylvania National Guard bayoneted strikers and then opened fire, killing 20 railroad workers. The strikers did not disperse; they retaliated, trapping the guardsmen in a roundhouse and razing 39 buildings. Striking railroad workers in Pennsylvania burned 104 locomotives and 1,245 freight and passenger cars. The Pennsylvania National Guard fought their way out of the roundhouse, shooting and killing over 20 people as they cut their way out of the railyard.

This was the background of the strike action in St. Louis. As the country seized in strikes and transport actions, the Workingman's Party (the first Marxist party in the U.S.) and the Knights of Labor gathered in St. Louis. On July 22, one day after the massacre in the Pennsylvania railyards, train workers held a secret meeting to call for an increase in wages and determined to strike. They then held a public outdoor meeting, which was steered by 200 members of the Workingmen's Party.

That night, a third meeting was held, and the rail workers adopted a resolution that read:

WHEREAS, the United States government has allied itself on the side of capital and against labor; therefore,
RESOLVED, That we, the workingmen's party of the United States, heartily sympathize with the employees of all the railroads in the country who are attempting to secure just and equitable reward for their labor.
RESOLVED, That we will stand by them in this most righteous struggle of labor against robbery and oppression, through good and evil report, to the end of the struggle.

The demand was put to the bosses who rejected it immediately. The strike began at midnight in East St. Louis and within hours of announcement, the strikers controlled the city uncontested. In the morning, the rail strikers announced they would permit passenger and mail trains to pass through the city, but all freight traffic would be stopped. The rail companies waited. Chicago & Alton tried to start a freight train, but it was stopped and turned back to the yard. The Union Railway & Transit Company removed their wage decrease, but the Transit workers continued to strike in solidarity with their brothers, stiffened by militants in their ranks.

City officials wired frightened messages, warning that this was a repetition of the Paris Commune of '71. The second day of the strike, July 24, the strikers determined they would expand their blockade to passenger trains. A train was decoupled from its passenger cars and only permitted transit when the locomotive was bare.

At 11:00 AM that morning, twenty-five strikers led by an Ohio and Mississippi Railway engineer seized two Missouri Pacific Railroad locomotives, took the Missouri Pacific engine shops, and tried to persuade the workers there to cease work. They refused. 3,000 - 4,000 people gathered at the depot as unrest increased. It was announced by the city authorities that six companies of infantry were marching to put an end to the blockade and clear the rail lines. Police began to sweep the streets.

At 4:00 PM that afternoon, flatcars from other striking yards arrived, loaded with more strikers. The word had gotten out that St. Louis was the hub of a powerful solidarity movement across all railway lines. At 6 PM, six companies arrived from Fort Leavenworth. Their commander stated that "I have been ordered here with general instructions to protect the property of the United States" but declined to take action except to hole up in an army barracks.

That night, Communist leaders held meetings throughout the city. Processions of people marched through the streets. The city government, paralyzed by the fear that they were not heavily armed enough to act, did nothing. The police remained "inert."

On July 25, 1877, at 9 AM, the Communists gathered a crowd in a downtown marketplace. There, they convinced wire manufacturers to join the strike. At 10 AM they marched to Turner Hall where the executive committee of the Workingmen's Party was meeting.

By now, Black workers had joined the white strikers. An air of solidarity prevailed throughout the city. The Workingman's Party declared that all work within St. Louis would soon come to a halt.

On the morning of July 26, a mass meeting of coopers agreed to join the strike. Smelter and clay workers joined the strike. 35% of the workers striking were U.S. born; 29% were German; 18% Irish; 12% English or Welsh. A full 12% of strikers were Black.

The strike was entirely controlled by the Executive Committee, a group of 47 or so men that appear to have been elected or appointed by unknown processes. The most prominent were clerks, a student organizer, a doctor, a drug and bleach maker, a newspaper seller and a boot fitter.

On the evening of Wednesday, July 26, in Carondelet, six miles south of the city center, as ironworkers called on the Martindale Zinc Works to enter the strike, the foreman of the works struck a striker with a crowbar. The police tried to step in, but were driven off with rocks. The ironworkers took control of the zinc works and unfurled the red flags of the International. By the end of the day, there was not a single manufactory in operation. The strike had shut down the entire city. It was all in the hands of the Workingmen's Party.

That evening, there was another mass meeting at Lucas Market of over 10,000 people. Peter Lofgreen, a workingman's delegate, harangued the crowd and told them that if the managers could not restore their pay, it was time for the railroads to be in the hands of the workers.

Thomas Curtis declared that the demands of St. Louis must go all the way to the president of the United States. This, he said, was "not a strike - but a social revolution!"

On Thursday barbers, wagon-makers, painters, blacksmiths, and mills closed. Only a few remained open to process bread. The mayor met with the Executive Committee repeatedly, begging for more shops to be opened.

In Carondelet, 18 metal workers were organized into a makeshift police force that patrolled the streets. In East St. Louis, the railway workers held a parade with a brass band and banners that said "We Want a Peaceful Revolution" and "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity."

Then the Executive Committee faltered. At the close of the 26th, they stated that "in order to avoid riot, we have determined no large procession until our organization is so complete as to positively assure the citizens of St. Louis a perfect maintenance of order". When a group of Black workers asked to join the party, the Executive Committee "replied that we wanted nothing to do with them."

Reaction was not asleep. Merchants were raising $20,000 behind closed doors (close to $1 million today) to arm the militia. The St. Louis Gun Club supplied shotguns. 1,500 rifles and 2 cannon were sent by the governor. 11,000 volunteers were mustered into service.

On July 27, the governor sent a missive demanding the disbandment of the Executive Committee and its strike committees. The Workingmen's Party replied "Nothing short of compliance to the [just demand for wages] will arrest this tidal wave of revolution." The papers were now referring to St. Louis as the "St. Louis Commune."

At 3:00 PM on Friday July 27, municipal and federal forces arrived downtown. Police cavalry led the way, riding abreast to cover the entire width of the street. They were followed by foot police with rifles and the two cannon from the armory. Half a block behind the city police there marched the federal troops, all with fixed bayonets. The cavalry plunged into the crowd outside the Hall where the Executive Committee met. One of the officers shouted "Ride 'em down! Ride 'em down! They have no business here."

Within hours, several members of the Committee had been arrested. 73 rank-and-file workers were arrested in the chaos.

The Executive Committee had failed to act to arm its revolution against the counter-revolution. It had rejected the aid of the Black workers that made the seizure of the city possible. The remaining members of the Committee were isolated and the strikers at the mercy of police. By August 1, 1877, leaderless, the strikers were forced to return to work as seven companies of Illinois National Guard troops entered St. Louis. But the threat of a renewed strike kept the capitalists aware that they had to tighten their grip.

From July 22 until August 1, the strike Executive Committee had controlled the city. It had failed, utterly, to establish the necessary self-defense required for the revolution. It had dealt with the mayor and business interests in the city as cold allies. What if they had not suspended the mass meetings? What if they had armed the workers? What if they had not broken the solidarity of Black and white workers and instead expanded their demands to include those of the Black toilers?

What if what if what if indeed. We cannot know what if, merely study their obscene failings at a moment when the power was in the hands of the people and their leaders refused to act. Remember the Commune. Do not repeat its mistakes.

Sorry one more thing to highlight here: those petty-bourgeois merchants who armed the militia and brought in weapons? They were puffing and blustering with the Committee the whole time, begging to be allowed to open their shops. Just like the Paris Commune, the committee should have EXPROPRIATED THEM and made SURE their material wealth did not pour into the counterrevolution

rip st louis commune :smith:

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/LandsknechtPike/status/1729883179702788346

quote:

Today I would like to talk about something very interesting - 16th century Danubian river warfare!

The Danube River was an important part of Habsburg-Ottoman war in Hungary.

Both sides maintained a fleet of river warships!

Banditry was also a problem and traveling was unsafe.

I will focus on 16th century because this was a particularly violent phase of Habsburg-Ottoman wars in Central Europe. From 1527 until 1606 there was nearly constant fighting on the long frontier in Hungary and Croatia that divided the Ottoman Empire from the Habsburg monarchy.

The Habsburg-Ottoman conflict in this part of Europe was a continuation of the earlier Hungarian-Ottoman conflict after Sultan Suleiman invaded Hungary in 1526, decisively defeating the Hungarians at the Battle of Mohács that same year, where the King of Hungary Louis II died. This event effectively split Hungary into three parts as not only was the army of the Kingdom of Hungary destroyed but there was also a succession crisis. The Hungarian crown was claimed by both the Habsburg Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, who came in possession of Hungarian territories in the west and was supported by Croat nobility, and John Zápolya, who had the support of Hungarian nobility in the east and in Transylvania. Meanwhile the Ottomans came to directly control a large strip of land in the middle of Kingdom of Hungary by 1541, when they captured the city of Buda.

The conquest of Buda led to the establishment of the Budin Eyalet. The Ottoman pasha of Budin became the representative of the Sultan in Central Europe. The Budin pashas commanded a significant permanent military force consisting of 5,000 garrison soldiers, including 2,000 elite Janissaries, and a fleet of gunboats. The pashas were also supported by the sanjaks that reported to them, each with a military retinue of their own. Buda was also connected to Constantinople along the Danube corridor. It became an important outpost of the Ottoman empire deep in Central Europe, as the Ottomans were eager to expand further.

This naturally caused considerable concern among the Habsburgs. Buda was close to Vienna which the Ottomans could now theoretically reach very quickly via the Danube river. The control of this river therefore became of crucial importance for the war effort. The Danube river was furthermore also very important for trade and transport in the entire region. Traveling over land was very difficult in those times and rivers knit together the territories of the Pannonian Basin. The Danube was the artery tying together these vast lands. The importance of this river in the pre-industrial times was such that the Habsburg monarchy would later also be referred to as the Danubian monarchy. But from the Battle of Mohács in 1526 until the expulsion of Ottoman power from Hungary in 1699, most of the middle and all of the lower Danube was under Ottoman control.

The Ottomans regarded the Danube as their river, and used it very effectively for transport of guns and munitions. In 1556, for example, 30,000 cannon balls were loaded onto five galleys and shipped across the Black Sea and up the river to Buda. The river was not only important for their war effort and expansion into Europe but also brought a lot of wealth from trade. The customs offices in the Danube ports brought enormous revenues to the State Treasury.

The Ottomans were also fully aware how rivers could be used by their enemies as they had bitter experiences from the past. In the 15th century, the Hungarian were twice able to secure important victories over them with the help of superior river fleets. In 1456 John Hunyadi assembled a fleet of 200 ships on the Danube for the Belgrade campaign with which he broke through the Ottoman blockade to help relieve the city of Belgrade from siege. In 1476 his son Matthias Corvinus brought together an even larger river fleet of 330 vessels with which he transported the army to successfully conquer the Ottoman fortress of Šabac on the Sava river near Belgrade.

With both sides fully aware of the importance of the Danube river, it would soon become an important frontier in the Habsburg-Ottoman war. The border on the Danube between the two powers became the town of Komárom, just downstream from Vienna. This town is today split by the border between Hungary and Slovakia, and is known as Komárno in Slovakia. During the Habsburg-Ottoman war in Hungary it was a Habsburg fortress which prevented the Ottoman ships from reaching Vienna with its cannons. Komárom had already been bitterly contested between Ferdinand and John Zápolya as the two fought over control of western Hungary after 1526. This included a river naval battle where Zápolya's fleet of 68 vessels attacked Ferdinand's fleet of 49 ship and sunk 36 of them. However did not have enough troops to secure the Komárom castle.

Following the Ottoman conquest of Buda in 1541, the Habsburgs realized the importance of Komárom and had it fortified. Italian engineers turned it into a formidable modern star fort which could withstand significant bombardment and could be maintained with a minimal garrison. They also fortified the nearby city of Győr. The Ottomans would try to take the fortress of Komárom in an epic siege in 1594, but they were not successful. Komárom remained a Habsburg fort while the Danube below Komárom remained a Turkish river.


The fortress of Komárom. The border between two empires. Notice the powerful Danubian warships fighting on the river!

However Ottomans had a hard time securing their part of the river. The important Belgrade to Buda supply corridor was frequently under attack by raiders from Habsburg fortresses. Over the 16th century, this area witnessed constant border fighting, skirmishing and raiding from both sides. Not even peace treaties such as the Treaty of Edirne in 1547 and various truces could prevent this.

This was in part because of how the Habsburg Empire was structured. When the Habsburg-Ottoman war in Hungary began, the Habsburg Holy Roman Emperor Charles V controlled a vast empire which included possessions in Spain, Low Countries, southern Italy and Milan. Meanwhile his younger brother Ferdinand ruled the Austrian hereditary lands in his name. In 1526 Ferdinand also became the King of Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia. While this empire looked strong on paper, it was bogged down in a series of conflicts all over Europe and beyond, and was restrained by complex relationships with its own territories. It had many disadvantages compared to the more centralized Ottoman Empire where the Sultan wielded much more power over his subjects, and was able to obtain significantly more money and manpower for campaigns. Charles V was primarily concerned with wars against France and control over Italy. He would soon also have to deal with the rise of Protestantism in Germany, eventually fighting wars against the Schmalkaldic League. His strategy against Ottomans in Hungary was trying to make the best peace possible. He made it clear that he was not ready to commit major resources to a war in Hungary. On the other hand Ferdinand badly needed the resources to continue the war against the Ottomans. He understood the strategic importance of defending key forts along the frontier and wanted a strategy of aggressive forward defense.

However Ferdinand and the Habsburgs were greatly limited financially. The Protestants in the Holy Roman Empire did not want to finance the wars against the Turk unless the danger was imminent, as they were afraid the Catholic Habsburgs would build a strong army that could be potentially used against them. But the Ottomans rarely staged large invasions and most of the war against Habsburgs revolved around raiding and skirmishing, also called the "Kleinkrieg" (Little War). Such war presented huge costs to the Habsburgs who had to defend a long frontier and finance permanent garrisons and build fortifications. The Habsburgs also had to deal with troublesome nobility in their own lands, where taxes had to be approved by provincial estates. This limited their power and forced them to make compromises. Due to the lack of money, the Habsburgs transferred the control of many key fortresses to powerful local magnates from nobility, who would then garrison it with soldiers and defend it themselves. But this in turn meant that they could not fully control the actions of their nobles. Borderland nobility continued to engage in profitable raids into Ottoman territories, which provoked retaliatory raids and was a source of constant tension. Due to the size of their empire and their financial might, the Ottomans had command of more troops along the border and could stage large raids which sometimes even resulted in permanent gains. Therefore even during this supposed peace time, the Habsburgs were in danger of losing important forts.

An example of a borderland nobleman who greatly bothered the Ottomans was Nikola IV Zrinski whose raids were a subject of continuous complaints from the Ottomans to the Habsburgs. At one point the Ottomans wanted Zrinski and his followers excluded from a truce claiming that "these men said openly that their ancestors lived from banditry, and they intended to pass this manner of life on to their heirs." Zrinski eventually became the captain of the fortress of Szigetvár which had long been one of the important strategic fortresses from which marauding Christian soldiers staged raids on the Danube and endangered the link between Belgrade and Buda. In 1554 the Ottoman commanders who were entrusted to defend the border recognized the significance of the threat from the Habsburg fortresses of Szigetvár, Kaposvár, and Babocsa, and commented that "the border entrusted to us will never be free of infestation from those fortresses, nor will navigation along the Danube be safe, until we take those fortresses from them." But the Habsburgs had to rely on the borderland nobility for defense and could not have restrained them even if they wanted to. This meant that raiding continued.

It seems that the Habsburgs had an early advantage on the Danube in terms of firepower. In 1553 the commander of the Komárom river fleet Ferenc Zay was sent on a diplomatic mission. When he traveled down the Danube, he noted that "the Turks do not at this time have much of a fleet." Meanwhile the Habsburgs already had a respectable naval fleet of gunboats based at Komárom. In 1543 it was reported that this fleet was manned by more than 16,000 men. In event of invasion of Vienna the Habsburgs could also count on a large river fleet sent from the Holy Roman Empire. In 1532 Charles V sent an impressive 80,000-man war flotilla funded by the Imperial Diet to meet an anticipated Ottoman siege of Vienna. This siege eventually didn't happen because the Ottomans were stuck at the Siege of Güns and later abandoned the campaign, but it shows the might of the fleet that could have been mobilized during Charles V's reign.

It seems that the weakness of the Ottoman river fleet emboldened the Habsburgs to start raiding the Danube. In 1556 the Ottomans complained to Ferdinand that his "band of robbers from Veszprem and Szigetvár have destroyed 927 ships on the Danube, belonging to Muslims." Soon afterwards the crew from Szigetvár attacked fourteen more ships. These marauders also captured people and demanded ransoms. In 1554 they captured "some Latin craftsmen" together with "other craftsmen from Belgrade," for whom they were demanding a ransom of 2,000 to 3,000 florins each. In 1565 they conducted a daring raid capturing the captain of the Buda naval infantry near Osijek. That same year the Ottomans were also worried about reports that the Habsburgs had a fleet of 700 warships at Komárom.

The danger of travelling on Danube on the Ottoman territory due to constant marauding was well illustrated by the Imperial ambassador Ogier Ghiselin de Busbecq who traveled on the Danube from Buda to Belgrade in 1554 on his journey to Constantinople. While the river route was safer than by road, and took only five days instead of twelve by land, it was still very unsafe and full of dangers due to bandits preying on ships. In one of his letters he described how they had to travel almost without a stop day and night and were endangered by overhanging trees and water mills:

"The vessel on board which I sailed was towed by a tug manned by twenty-four oarsmen; the other boats were pulled along by a pair of sweeps. With the exception of a few hours during which the wretched galley-slaves and the crew took food and rest, we travelled incessantly. I was much impressed on this occasion with the rashness of the Turks, for they had no hesitation in continuing their voyage during the night, though there was no moon and it was quite dark, amid a gale of wind. We often, to our very great danger, encountered mills and trunks and branches of trees projecting from the banks, so that it frequently happened that the boat was caught by the gale and came crashing on to the stumps and branches which lined the river side. On such occasions it seemed to me that we were on the point of going to pieces. Once, indeed, there was a great crash, and part of the deck was carried away. I jumped out of bed, and begged the crew to be more careful. Their only answer was 'Alaure,' that is, 'God will help us;' and so I was left to get back to my bed and my nap—if I could! I will venture to make one prophecy, and that is, that this mode of sailing will one day bring about a disaster."

But the Ottomans soon responded and began reinforcing their river fleet due to these problems. By 1566 there were three Ottoman admirals on the Danube and its tributaries. The first one's base was Buda and his squadron patrolled the upper reaches of the river within the borders of the Ottoman state up to Komárom. The second was based in Mohács while the third Ottoman flotilla was on the river Sava. In 1566 Sultan Suleiman conducted a large scale campaign with a significant invasion force which eventually captured the fort of Szigetvár in an epic siege where Nikola IV Zrinski and his men made a heroic last stand. This campaign included reinforcing the river fleet. 250 new vessels were built in Smederevo, 140 in Vidin and several more in various other Ottoman river ports.

The 1566 campaign eventually led to another peace treaty in 1568 which concluded the most intense part of the "Little War" and was subsequently renewed in 1576, 1584, and 1591.

However in 1593 the Long Turkish War began. The Ottomans invaded with a large force and conquered Győr in 1594. They tried to take the nearby Komárom but the well fortified river fortress town was able to withstand the siege, thereby continuing to secure the border defense of the Habsburgs on the Danube River. Győr was soon reclaimed in 1598.

The Long Turkish War ended with a stalemate in 1606 when it was concluded with the Peace of Zsitvatorok. Neither side being able to make significant gains. This stabilized the conditions on the Habsburg-Ottoman frontier and led to nearly sixty years of calm.


Peace Negotiations in Zsitvatorok in 1606. This contemporary portrayal gives us a valuable depiction of how river vessels looked like at the time.

To conclude. While the Danube River witnessed only minor battles and skirmishes in the 16th century, the maintenance of powerful river fleets was crucial for both sides, as both sides wanted to secure control over their part of the Danube River during the "Little War" of constant raiding and skirmishing. Danube river warfare presents another important chapter in the long history of Habsburg-Ottoman wars.

Sources:
James Tracy, "The Road to Szigetvár: Ferdinand I's Defense of His Hungarian Border, 1548–1566" in Austrian History Yearbook, Volume 44, April 2013, 17-36.
Rossitsa Gradeva, "War and Peace Along the Danube: Vidin at the end of the Seventeenth Century" in Oriente Moderno, Nuova serie 20 (81)/1, (2001), 149-175.
The Life and Letters of Ogier Ghiselin de Busbecq, Vol I (London: Kegan Paul, 1881), 93-94.



riverine warfare sounds cool but it's also weirdly absent in popular media except for niche games

hungary has a legit reason for an admiralty and that reason is the danube river

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1733537373957300735

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In 1948, 76 beavers were parachuted into the Idaho wilderness as part of a relocation program by the Idaho Department of Fish and Game.

The program was initiated to address the growing conflict between humans and beavers in areas where people were building homes, such as Payette Lake. The beavers' natural activities, like dam building and tree cutting, were causing problems for the new residents.

The relocation site, Chamberlain Basin, was chosen because it was a remote and suitable location for the beavers to thrive. However, the area was difficult to access due to the lack of roads. The solution was to use surplus parachutes from World War II to drop the beavers into their new home.

A specially designed crate was created to ensure the safety of the beavers during the drop. After several test drops with a beaver named Geronimo, the project was deemed successful and continued until 1948.

As a result, the beavers transformed the landscape into a lush wetland, creating a haven against fire and drought. Their descendants now live in what is part of the largest protected roadless forest in the continental United States.

beaver engineering paratrooper corps

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/BaytAlFann/status/1744661833342947674

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Did you know the coffee house first emerged in the Arab world?

The origins of coffee houses trace back to 15th-century Mecca in Saudi Arabia, where the aromatic brew qahveh, captivated the Arabian Peninsula.

A thread on the history of the coffee house, from Mecca to Europe...


1/ Interestingly the use of coffee in Mecca initially had a religious significance by Muslims and was used as a tool by Sufi Muslims to assist in fasting in Ramadan and stay up and alert for night prayers during the holy month.


2/ Additionally, it was used for medicinal purposes some of which scientists today acknowledge do work. Nowadays, very few religious people would ever consider drinking coffee for contemplation … but many of us wouldn't be able to complete a day’s work without the drink.


3/ Coffee soon became a drink for everyone and what emerged in the late 1400s, was the creation of the first public coffee houses in Mecca, named qahveh kanes. These establishments became more than just places to savor the rich coffee; they transformed into hubs of social life, known as "Schools of the Wise."


4/ In the early 1500s, imams in Mecca took drastic measures, banning both the coffee houses and the consumption of coffee from 1512 to 1524. The underlying fear was that these gatherings became hotbeds for political discourse, challenging the status quo.


5/ Coffee houses, it seemed, had become arenas for political debate. Undeterred by the ban, coffee houses reopened, and coffee's influence continued to expand across the Middle East—reaching Egypt, Persia, Turkey, and Syria.


6/ In 1475, the Kiva Han, debuted in Constantinople (now Istanbul), marking a transformative moment in coffee history. The Ottoman Empire's influence led to the widespread establishment of coffee houses, reshaping social interactions like the impact of modern social media on communication.


7/ Coffee gained its great title at that time. Elegance was added to the presentation of refinement in the cooking techniques in Ottoman lands. Once coffee became popular in the Ottoman court, the position of Chief Coffee Maker was established, brewing the perfect pot of coffee for the Sultan & his guests.


8/ Coffee houses were not only places to discuss politics but also to negotiate business deals, resolve conflicts, and forge alliances. They became the birthplaces of literary masterpieces, with renowned writers, poets, and intellectuals converging to share ideas


9/ Despite periodic bans and controversies, the popularity of coffee persisted. In Mecca, the ban was eventually lifted, and coffee resumed its journey across Arabia. With pilgrims visiting Mecca from around the world, the fame of the "wine of Araby" spread far and wide.


10/ By the late 16th century, coffee had become ingrained in the daily lives of people across Arabia, North Africa, and Turkey. The enjoyment of coffee in Egypt goes back to the brotherhood of the Islamic Sufis who drank it during their prayers.


11/ In the late 17th century, Cairo boasted 643 Bayt Qahwa coffee houses, serving as cultural hubs and public meeting spots. The Ottoman Empire's expansion facilitated coffee's spread to the Eastern Mediterranean. However, it wasn't until the 17th century that coffee beans thrived beyond Africa and Arabia.


12/ Legend has it that a pilgrim named Baba Budan smuggled coffee beans out of Mecca, sparking the cultivation of coffee in India. Many believe Baba Budan strapped the beans to his chest before embarking on a pilgrimage to Mecca, where he sampled the coffee for the first time.


13/ He smuggled the precious seeds back to his homeland in Karnataka, India, where he cultivated them and established the country's first coffee plantation. Baba Budan is still revered as the "father of Indian coffee," and he is widely celebrated in Indian culture.


14/ Coffee comes from the Dutch word, koffie, which emerged from the Turkish word, kahve, which originally came from the Arabic, qahwa, which is still used in the region today. The evolution of the word reflects the spread of coffee along the Silk Routes from South Arabia to Europe in the 16th century.


15/ Coffee finally arrived in Venice in 1570 and quickly became quite popular. In 1615, Pope Clement VIII decided that the drink must be satanic. Upon inspection, however, he gave in to the glory of the beverage, baptized it, and declared it a Christian beverage.


16/ As the 1600s rolled on, coffee houses sprung up all over Europe in England, Austria, France, Germany, and Holland. The first coffee house opened in England in 1650, & by 1700 coffeehouses in London had become popular.


17/ Viewed in the UK as coming from the Ottoman Empire, coffeehouses usually had signs depicting an Ottoman outside them, indicating that coffee was served in the establishment.


18/ Much like the coffee houses of Arabia, these places became social hubs where one could engage in stimulating conversation and political debates. In England, these became known as penny universities. Coffee houses became the go-to place for Englishmen. If they weren’t working or at the pub, they were at the coffee houses.


19/ Women at the time were furious as their husbands were never home anymore, always drinking coffee and engaging in religious and political discussions. In 1674, the Women’s Petition Against Coffee was born in an attempt to ban coffee and bring their men back home.


20/ In conclusion, the epic journey of coffee houses from Mecca to Europe is more than a tale of a beverage—it's a story of cultural exchange, resilience, and the enduring power of shared experiences. Today, as we gather in our own modern coffee spaces, we continue to honor this rich legacy.

Arab Coffeehouse, Henri Matisse, 1912–1913


just a short thread on coffee and its history

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

fermun posted:

you consider the modern era to start in 1515????

Modern era starts with capitalism obviously. :colbert:

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Aug 4, 2013

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The culture of Marsh Arabs is very interesting. These are people of mysterious origin who inhabit the marshes in southern Iraq and live in traditional reed houses.

There used to be much more of them.





I recently found a depiction of the Marsh Arabs made by the Portuguese around 1540 where it is said "These people are called jizares, inhabit some islands that are in the strait of Basra, are very valiant people and great marksmen."

This caught my interest and I researched more.


While they speak Arabic, it is not known where the people known as Marsh Arabs, also referred to as the Ahwaris, came from.

But they have lived in these marshlands for a long time and developed their own distinct culture different from their neighbors.


The Mesopotamian marshlands cover a huge area in Southern Iraq and southwestern Iran as well as partially in northern Kuwait.



To survive in such environment, the Marsh Arabs traditionally depended on raising water buffalos which are found in these marshes.

They also cultivated rice and other crops.





The traditional reed houses of Marsh Arabs are called mudhif!

Reeds from the marshes proved to be a good building material and stood the test of time.





For transportation they use long canoes called mashoof.


But Marsh Arabs were often looked down upon.

They lived a very humble existence and any money they made was mostly from selling reed mats.


The marshlands also developed a sinister reputation as a safe haven for thieves and bandits.

A British observer wrote in 1920s, "Their neighbours look upon them with scorn not unmixed with fear. Apart from their outlandish manner of life they are hardened thieves and cutthroats."


Historically the Mesopotamian marshlands were also a refuge for slaves and rebels such as during the Zanj Rebellion 869-883.


Such reputation carried into modern times.

During the government of Saddam Hussein, the marshlands were seen as refuge for his political opponents and insurgents.


Following the failed uprising in 1991, Saddam Hussein's government decided to drain the marshes to punish the Marsh Arabs, who were mostly Shiite Muslims.

200,000 Marsh Arabs were displaced as a result of this campaign against them.


But following the overthrow of Saddam's regime water flow to the marshes was restored and the ecosystem has begun to recover.

The permanent wetlands now cover more than 50% of 1970s levels!


However apparently only few of the resettled Marsh Arabs have returned.

Their numbers are fewer than they used to be.

It is a very tough lifestyle which seems to be disappearing.


More photos of Marsh Arabs who continue living their traditional lifestyle.





Water buffalos continue to be essential for maintaining the traditional way of life of Marsh Arabs.





short thread about marsh arab community in iraq plus photos

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