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Szyznyk
Mar 4, 2008

Terry Bollea is a roid-taking, n-word blowing, best friend’s wife-loving piece of poo poo. But the Hulkster, man.

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Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

Terry Bollea is NOT allowed in Hulkamania and is banned from all Pastamania restaurants, weird but true.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Eclipse12 posted:

The idea of "___ was a piece of crap in real life" comes up now and then, and that's not a surprise, given the history of performers.

I think to enjoy wrestling as a hobby you have to, on some level, consider the characters separately from the people who performed them.

But I also get it if for some fans that doesn't work for them or if certain performers their real world lives are too heinous to tune out, such as Chris Benoit. I can't really watch his matches anymore. I'm not sure if a case-by-case basis is better or worse because you have to draw increasingly more lines in the sand or start making value judgments about which terrible thing is "okay" enough to still like the character and which isn't.

So whenever I'm watching wrestling I have always have this asterisk in the back of my brain that says:

*it saddens me that a lot of these people had/have some serious mental, anger, or addiction issues in real life and I hope that, by the end, they acknowledged their sins and atoned for them and both they and those they hurt find peace

Yeah, considering his violent murder of his family may have been the result of brain damage, every headbutt off the top rope you're thinking "Was this the one that gave him CTE and led to him killing his family"

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Szyznyk posted:

Terry Bollea is a roid-taking, n-word blowing, best friend’s wife-loving piece of poo poo. But the Hulkster, man.

He's a REAL American

Prof. Crocodile
Jun 27, 2020

MakaVillian posted:

He's a REAL American

Will fight for the rights of ALMOST every man.

Infidel Castro
Jun 8, 2010

Again and again
Your face reminds me of a bleak future
Despite the absence of hope
I give you this sacrifice




Szyznyk posted:

Terry Bollea is a roid-taking, n-word blowing, best friend’s wife-loving piece of poo poo. But the Hulkster, man.

You forgot daughter's rear end rubbing

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

every conscientious liberal minded wrestling fan has to learn to compartmentalize the fact that 90% of people in the business are garbage people. i think some may say aew is a purer product in this regard but that's just because no one has uncovered that kenny omega is a serial killer yet or in some cases turning a blind eye to fan favorites.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Can you separate a wrestler from his kayfabe performance?

Death of the wrestler

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
Kenny omega is a cleaner, not a serial killer. He gets paid for his hits

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

You know some poo poo will eventually come up about that Brian Cage guy. All those roids and landing on his head. poo poo will pop off.

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
Brian cage used to be a skater punk before he got jacked lol. There's footage on him riding a board recently and it looks hilarious

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

oh poo poo. he's gonna go to the skate park and start snatching kids off their boards and suplexing them into a half pipe.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Brian Cage is a Q guy

MotU
Mar 6, 2007

It was like she was evicting walking garbage.
Pillbug

Mulaney Power Move posted:

You know some poo poo will eventually come up about that Brian Cage guy. All those roids and landing on his head. poo poo will pop off.

yeah Brian Cage is a big Q guy and wardlow was huge into televangelism til he scrubbed his twitter of that, smartly

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Rarity posted:

Brian Cage is a Q guy

In the sense that he plays as the creepy trench coat cyborg guy in Street Fighter 3: Third Strike... right?

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

are the young bucks still rightwing nutjobs?

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
As someone who started watching wrestling at 9 years old and has been an off-and-on fan since then, I can appreciate someone in the ring as a performer while also knowing they're trash in real life. It is possible and okay to think these things at the same time.

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

I'd be 10x more surprised at any wrestler being anything left of center than one being hardcore QAnon

Elephant Ambush posted:

As someone who started watching wrestling at 9 years old and has been an off-and-on fan since then, I can appreciate someone in the ring as a performer while also knowing they're trash in real life. It is possible and okay to think these things at the same time.

This is where I'm at too.

MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Apr 11, 2021

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
Wrestling is built by and maintained by people who are fully in the cult of self reliance, grind, and hard work. Not surprising.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
There's more left wing wrestlers than you'd expect (and the fanbase is more left-wing than most other sports). The most notable ones are probably Hangman Page in AEW and Zack Sabre Jr in NJPW with Zack making socialism a key part of his character

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

Mulaney Power Move posted:

are the young bucks still rightwing nutjobs?

iirc they're pretty fundie christians and there were some rumours that they were birthers, but they're 100% smart enough to keep that entirely away from their professional work

which is pretty much the only standard I hold people to - no-one owes you a breakdown or a justification of their private beliefs before you watch their artistic works, but if you turn into Flip Gordon and start using that same public presence to promote poorly-researched bullshit then it's entirely fair game for you to not get bookings and for Fit Finlay's Tim Minchin-looking son to come at you with one of the most brutal subtweets in history

https://twitter.com/THEdavidfinlay/status/1306082313848205313?s=19

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Batista seems like a pretty okay guy too.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



https://twitter.com/Era_Of_Bliss/status/1381091023275835393?s=20

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

Check this out.

What if instead of WrestleMania,

it was PretzelMania.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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I ate a pretzel with jalapeno cheddar cream cheese filling at disneyland. It was aight

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Chief McHeath posted:

Check this out.

What if instead of WrestleMania,

it was PretzelMania.

PretzelMania is definitely Bret "The Hitman" Hart's restaurant. The Sharpshooter Submission Special is a pair of maple glazed pretzels.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!



This was the highlight of the weekend, ignore everything that happened on night two, it was garbage.

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/1381403347429773313?s=20

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

If you haven't told that jabroni Hulk Hogan to go gently caress himself, then what are you even doing with your life you dumb son of a bitch???

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
You can have a million dollars or you can exchange for what's in this box

The box! The box!

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

i heard roman reigns finally got a place at the table

Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

Watched some Wrestlemania this weekend plus some AEW stuff and it's some of my first exposure to "modern" wrestling.

On one hand, the athletic and technical ability is insane. Shooting star press from standing flat on the mat? Triple reversal into flying neckbreaker from off the top rope? A whole bunch of moves I've never even seen before, let alone know the name of? It's crazy! I feel like I stepped out of a time capsule. It's like showing modern music to someone from the 19th century.

But!

The complexity has gotten so high that it's harder to suspend disbelief compared to the 90s. Some of these moves are so technically complex that they need significant timing/placing/cooperation from the opponent to pull off so I notice more shuffling around and very specific setups being oddly put in place. Why are they both awkwardly getting to that exact spot near the turnbuckle? Why are they standing with their leg in that position? Why are they adjusting their position to move just a few inches to the left?

Or there will be a series of 4-5 counter/reversals on a row, and it's extremely impressive, but it's obviously been choreographed and practiced dozens of times but isn't plausible at all in a kayfabe sense.

Obviously, good wrestlers can limit the amount you notice it, but some stuff is just going to stand out no matter how good you are. And I know that bad wrestlers not hitting their marks or not selling hits are timeless, but I'll say that one advantage to a more limited moveset is that it can look more natural and wrestlers have more experience with a given move to where it's easier to buy in. 90s wrestling relied a lot on hip tosses, scoop slams, clotheslines, and suplexes, but most wrestlers could sell the hell out of them and scoop slamming a running opponent looks a lot more plausible than a reverse handspring to the top of the turnbuckle into flying head scissors all while the opponent just kinda watches.

Eclipse12 fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Apr 12, 2021

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Bogus Adventure posted:

If you haven't told that jabroni Hulk Hogan to go gently caress himself, then what are you even doing with your life you dumb son of a bitch???

https://youtu.be/dMbcOC5dS5k

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Eclipse12 posted:

Watched some Wrestlemania this weekend plus some AEW stuff and it's some of my first exposure to "modern" wrestling.

On one hand, the athletic and technical ability is insane. Shooting star press from standing flat on the mat? Triple reversal into flying neckbreaker from off the top rope? A whole bunch of moves I've never even seen before, let alone know the name of? It's crazy! I feel like I stepped out of a time capsule. It's like showing modern music to someone from the 19th century.

But!

The complexity has gotten so high that it's harder to suspend disbelief compared to the 90s. Some of these moves are so technically complex that they need significant timing/placing/cooperation from the opponent to pull off so I notice more shuffling around and very specific setups being oddly put in place. Why are they both awkwardly getting to that exact spot near the turnbuckle? Why are they standing with their leg in that position? Why are they adjusting their position to move just a few inches to the left?

Or there will be a series of 4-5 counter/reversals on a row, and it's extremely impressive, but it's obviously been choreographed and practiced dozens of times but isn't plausible at all in a kayfabe sense.

Obviously, good wrestlers can limit the amount you notice it, but some stuff is just going to stand out no matter how good you are. And I know that bad wrestlers not hitting their marks or not selling hits are timeless, but I'll say that one advantage to a more limited moveset is that it can look more natural and wrestlers have more experience with a given move to where it's easier to buy in. 90s wrestling relied a lot on hip tosses, scoop slams, clotheslines, and suplexes, but most wrestlers could sell the hell out of them and scoop slamming a running opponent looks a lot more plausible than a reverse handspring to the top of the turnbuckle into flying head scissors all while the opponent just kinda watches.

this is the "classic" critique of modern wrestling and it tends to get shrugged off on the premise that kayfabe is dead so anything goes, so it's fine to break into a dance routine in the middle of a match or have a guy get knocked over by an imaginary hadouken.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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I'm okay with it as long as it looks cool. Moves like Code Red/canadian destroyer seem like someone is just flipping and hurting themselves but whatevs, it looks neat

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
As someone who's mainly into wrestling for the gymnastics element I'm totally fine with suspending my disbelief if the alternative is Andre hugging Hulk Hogan for 5 minutes

Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

Yeah, not surprised about the mentality of modern wrestling. It IS impressive. Just... different.

And lol, first time I saw a Canadian Destroyer I literally didn't understand who did the move to whom and was it a counter, or the move as intended, and who is supposed to be hurt because now they're BOTH lying there...

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
The Canadian Destroyer got popular as piledrivers were banned from WWE.

In any case, the old school wrestling you're talking about just doesn't sell well anymore since everyone knows about the kayfabe nature of wrestling. If it sold well, Smokey Mountain Wrestling probably wouldn't have folded.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
You haven't lived until you've seen someone deliver a Canadian Destroyer from the top rope to the outside onto a crowd of people

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Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



The thing is, modern fast paced Wrestling is really quick to get used to. It's pretty much no different than watching an action movie made today compared to one made in the 70s. Things have gotten bigger and faster, but the corre is still the same.

Pictured: The Corre

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