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Rynoto posted:It's especially funny as ME1 cerberus missions were just a bunch of really boring sidequests that all looked the same. The plotline with the Geth finding shepard instead would have been so much more fun. Absolutely. It just mangled the plot to have Cerberus be a big thing that you HAD to work with and people kind of just accepted as well, and it got handwaved so many times. But then a ton of the ME2 plot is handwaving and threading water before 3. As much as I like playing 2, the plot really went in some less than ideal directions.
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hobbesmaster posted:In the intro to ME2 the council assigned you to investigating the Geth. They didn’t ignore it and probably thought they were assigning their best person for the task. Of course you and your crew think it’s bullshit because they actually had a chat with sovereign. “My money’s on slavers.”
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SlothfulCobra posted:Come to think of it, after ME1, nobody believed Shepard about the Reapers and just assumed that the Geth had a really big warship. But then the Council just decided to let it be a one-off and not only ignore Shepard's explanation about the coming Reapers, but also ignore their own explanation about how the Geth just launched the biggest attack on the Citadel in history, and they didn't try waging a war or anything in response. hobbesmaster posted:In the intro to ME2 the council assigned you to investigating the Geth. They didn’t ignore it and probably thought they were assigning their best person for the task. Of course you and your crew think it’s bullshit because they actually had a chat with sovereign. The Citadel DLC really throws the Council under the bus in that regard as you go through the Citadel archives hunting CloneShep. You come across a holo that's introduced with "Attack on the Citadel by the geth warship Sovereign". And then the projector recognizes Shepard's Spectre status and is like "Declassifying... Attack on the Citadel by the Reaper, Sovereign." And everyone in the party is like "You loving assholes, you knew the whole time."
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It's highly likely the Asari councillor knew immediately what was happening as presumably she had had access to the Thessia archives and all the information on the reapers.
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Sydin posted:They kinda tried to do a thing in ME2 where oh hey it turns out the career military guy you appointed because he was nicer to you than the guy who actually knows how council politics work ends up marginalized by the rest of the council and has turned to heavy drinking because he hates his new gig. It doesn't by itself justify giving Udina the gig instead but it does add a nice layer of nuance to the whole situation. yeah I really liked Udina as a character, they did a good job writing him so that you're never completely sure where his genuine belief in humanity ends and his personal ambitions begin. he fights hard for you in ME1 before you become an obvious political liability. I liked how when you're reintroduced to him in ME3 the first thing you see is him trying to get troops to Earth and there's no real tension between him and Shep because they're both doing their best for humanity in their own way. So of course he turns out to be an idiot villain for the game's dumbest subplot because "heh, politicians amirite?"
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Rynoto posted:It's highly likely the Asari councillor knew immediately what was happening as presumably she had had access to the Thessia archives and all the information on the reapers. And like I said earlier, the Salarian councilor would have sic'd STG on it and had a mountain of concrete evidence on his desk by the end of the week.
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The Omega DLC is seen by many as a mixed bag, but its overall design and pacing should've been how sections like the Prologue, The Coup, and Thessia were metered out. You have your action packed intro mission, another mission where you run around and do a random but narratively important task while figuring out the lay of the land storywise, and then you have the final level that resolves that part of the narrative. Letting those three parts of the game breathe would better fix a lot of ME3's narrative issues than an ending redo.
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nine-gear crow posted:And like I said earlier, the Salarian councilor would have sic'd STG on it and had a mountain of concrete evidence on his desk by the end of the week. The Council knew since ME1, they were just in deep denial.
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It always seemed to me like the Council's approach was something along the lines of, "okay, yeah, that was an omnicidal machine god from dark space. But we killed it, and it was probably just one. What are the chances another one is going to show up? Telling everyone what actually happened will just create unnecessary panic. Think of the effect on the economy! We can just say it was the geth and forget about it."
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Gato posted:yeah I really liked Udina as a character, they did a good job writing him so that you're never completely sure where his genuine belief in humanity ends and his personal ambitions begin. he fights hard for you in ME1 before you become an obvious political liability. I liked how when you're reintroduced to him in ME3 the first thing you see is him trying to get troops to Earth and there's no real tension between him and Shep because they're both doing their best for humanity in their own way. So of course he turns out to be an idiot villain for the game's dumbest subplot because "heh, politicians amirite?" Like a lot of "evil" Bioware characters there is a good idea but then the implementation is less than one dimensional. Udina the ruthless diplomat with ambiguity as to whether he's helping himself and vanity benefits or helping humanity and he benefits is s great character concept. Udina should have been an option as the renegade mentorish figure the way Anderson is more of a paragon mentor figure. I think it would have helped develop the character if ME1 had a conversation where Udina talks about being part of the negotiations that gave Anderson his shot at being a Specter. Then from Udina's perspective Anderson hosed over the Alliance because he should have known Saren would betray him and been ready for it. Followed up by Udina warning Shepard the Nihul would have done the same to her and that she shouldn't let her recklessness and naivety gently caress this up for the alliance the way Anderson did.
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I mean even before the pandemic, with global warming and all, it was not that absurd to me that the Council, despite having overwhelming evidence, might choose to deliberately deny and ignore a obvious existential threat. After the last year, I daresay the Council's adamant refusal to accept the reality of the Reapers is probably the part of ME that has aged the best.
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I always assumed that Udina sold out to Cerberus immediately after the Council meeting where the other three essentially told Earth to drop dead. He's not wrong that the Council is a bunch of stubborn jackasses.
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The Council's attitude towards Reapers is basically the US response to Covid
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New Texas just repealed the mandate requiring all civilians maintain at least 6 feet of distancing from dragon's teeth and other Reaper artifacts.
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Mordin's recruitment mission definitely gonna hit different in 2021
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:New Texas just repealed the mandate requiring all civilians maintain at least 6 feet of distancing from dragon's teeth and other Reaper artifacts. Dragon's teeth are a hoax sheeple! *I yell as I purposefully husk myself to own the space-libs*
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Moola posted:Dragon's teeth are a hoax sheeple! *I yell as I purposefully husk myself to own the space-libs* "LOL it's just a flu, bro!" I cackle as Harbinger possesses my frail mortal shell, using me to hurt Shepard.
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bill gates, after I get my second vaccine shot: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:bill gates, after I get my second vaccine shot: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL 
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The Inoculation Theory
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The freakin' - the freakin' asari are putting spaceship engines next to our colonies turnin' the god drat kids into biotics! A growing mind gets one whiff of a mass effect field, next thing you know, they want to move to the Citadel and study Salarian Art History! The Illusive Man: (smoking cigarette, on his fifth hour of alt-right cable news today) Hm. Seems possible. I'll tell Kai Leng to organise a strike team.
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TIM: Shepard. (drag.) I've been reviewing intelligence reports. (sip) There are reports that the Quarian Migrant Fleet are heading towards earth, and as I'm sure you know, that means trouble. Shepard: What sort of trouble? TIM: (drag) The Quarians are scavengers and vagabonds. They strip planets bare of resources and technology, leaving behind starving populations and rampant disease. (drag) I need you to take your team and stop them. Shepard: I'll go investigate, but I'm not going to hassle an innocent people just looking for resources to sustain themselves. TIM: (sip) You'll find out for yourself. (turns around to holographic displays, turns up volume.) Holographic display: TUCKER CARLSON EXPOSES THE TRUTH BEHIND THE QUARIAN INVASION FLEET!
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Miranda walks into Illusive Man Virtual Office "Sir, it's bad." "Nonsense, Miranda. Yoomanity has never seen such a successful campaign. I hear the approval ratings for Cerberus are 90, 95, in some cases even over 100 percent." "Not that, sir. I'm afraid... you're no longer allowed to broadcast on Ilium." Miranda talks to the press "Well, that's a great question, unfortunately it's a question for The Illusive Man's daughter, and I'm here today as the Cerberus press secretary, mkay"
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I don't know, The Illusive Man seems more like Dick Chaney instead of a populist MAGA type.
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I, uh, I can hear a faint piano theme lookin at that picture
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Cancel... with extreme prejudice
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Lt. Danger posted:
I did lol that Spender is immediately suspected as a corrupt official in Andromeda.
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Quote-Unquote posted:I did lol that Spender is immediately suspected as a corrupt official in Andromeda. If you read “Nexus Uprising” you’ll find that Spender is the only true villain in the entire story. I liked that book.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Maybe I was just dumb and read all the lore dumps wrong, which seems odd because I really was into ME1, but I always was baffled at how Cerberus went from being a rogue splinter of the Alliance's military intelligence that was basically Cobra - at best - who had plans and schemes that all hosed up even without the player intervening, to actually being the motherfucking Illuminati. i always assumed cerberus was way bigger than you see in ME1. its just split into cells and TIM has enough money to toss around that he can keep like 500 of them running space nazi poo poo going all at once and if a bunch fail then call them rogue and cut them lose. by 3 they have enough power from recruits or indoctronated that they have a standing army. Boogle posted:I don't know, The Illusive Man seems more like Dick Chaney instead of a populist MAGA type. yeah. TIM is the type of right wing ghoul who plays the super awful beliefs close to the vest when dealing with folks like shepard and he takes a longer view on his hosed up beliefs than chud type villainy. so more of a cheny or a roberts than a trump or a miller. Sydin posted:It's also a plotpoint that TIL bends over backwards to present Cerberus in the best possible light to Shepard, including making sure the worst stuff like the biotic experiments on Jack or studying how soldiers respond to being torn apart by thresher maws look like they were done by rogue cells rather than under his orders. exactly.
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Minor aside here in case we have any vinyl fans - Spacelab9 is doing a repress of the Mass Effect trilogy 4x LP. Should go up for pre-sale in about 20 minutes https://spacelab9.com/ e: image too big. One sec. Fixed..? Yar. Fixed. kudos to u/mynickismyown on reddit for the image grab 
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DourCricket posted:Minor aside here in case we have any vinyl fans - If I collected vinyl, I would be super into that. Pretty cool!
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I'm most of the way through an me2 playthrough, and holy poo poo hale nails it with the conversation at the end of overlord. Absolutely fantastic cold fury.
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omfg lotsb is so goddamned loving good
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm most of the way through an me2 playthrough, and holy poo poo hale nails it with the conversation at the end of overlord. Absolutely fantastic cold fury. Looking forward to finally doing a FemShep run. I liked Meer as MaleShep well enough but there were some instances where he just sounded dorky, this conversation being one of them.
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Psycho Mantits posted:Looking forward to finally doing a FemShep run. I liked Meer as MaleShep well enough but there were some instances where he just sounded dorky, this conversation being one of them. Yes, but I'll throw in a cheer for the way Meer says GRISSOM ACADEMY. He pretty much snarls it. Wait, no he doesn't. Huh. I remember that completely differently. Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:omfg lotsb is so goddamned loving good it’s the best
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