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Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

marshmallow creep posted:

God, I miss that gameplay loop. So satisfying.

Vanguard is the finest gameplay idea of the last decade

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Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
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exquisite tea posted:

Despite all its problems and Andromeda which I'm not even recognizing here, Mass Effect is still probably one of the greatest game series ever made.

it’s good! I hope the next one is good

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

this looks nice but they left a lot of money on the table by not including multiplayer and tweaking the endings

Like if that is the selling point you prolly get a lot more folks interested

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Oxxidation posted:

me3's ending isn't the kind that can be tweaked, any fixes would require a total chop-and-replace and no one's going to go that far

no multiplayer is a dire mistake though, there's still a market for it

yeah I mean ultimately ME3 is no longer The Ending to Mass Effect (at very least they're carrying Liara forward) so they may just be willing to pick it up when ME4 comes out. But I'd think they'd want to be like "and stay tuned after the credits for a SPECIAL TEASER for the next mass effect" or something like that

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Lt. Danger posted:

drat op I wish I knew someone was making a new Mass Effect thread, I was gonna make a modding guide for anyone not getting the remaster

I wonder how difficult it'll be to port existing mods over to the Legendary Edition. Probably a huge lift which is too bad because there are some good mods!

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Hopefully they remember to tweak the resource requirements for the end of the game.

yeah they mentioned they were futzing with that, which is nice because when ME3 came out they were like "you don't have to play multiplayer to get the best ending" and it turned out that was wrong due to basic arithmetic!

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Blue Raider posted:

Just remembered that Freddy prinze jr was in 3

and he was good as hell

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Vega being a good character is super impressive because he's the new player POV character in the final installment of a trilogy and yet he fits in pretty seamlessly??? Like I still rolled with Liara and Garrus most of the time but it was nice to take Jimmy Vega out on certain missions

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

thrilla in vanilla posted:

It would have been cool to get a little more time with him before the attack sequence at the beginning of the game. That whole segment was a total garbage hatchet job tho

we fight or we die. THAT's the plan.

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Feels Villeneuve posted:

the opening of ME3 is much much worse than the ending. everything involving Earth is a confused mess- so many important questions about what the current status quo is are completely unclear until the end of Mars at least

The Mars section is pretty decent at least. Also after Kaiden/Ashley get injured you get this really cool scene with Liara convincing Shepard it's not her fault and the animation for her getting in Shepard's line of sight as Shepard looks away in guilt is kinda cool

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

yeah I'm very curious to see how they handle all the Mako planets. Are they still going to be like they were made in that weird early-2000s landscape generator? Will all the hills be ridiculously steep? Are all the prefabs still mostly identical or will they mix that up?

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

mass effect is good and cool even if the ending was eh and MEA was bad. I hope the new mass effect will be good and cool too!

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Funky See Funky Do posted:

I don't think a soundtrack from a game has ever been as burned into my brain as the Mass Effect theme is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVm_ljDSdwA#t=59s

ME's music is so good, dude. the three suicide mission tracks are my personal faves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsD2FjmLsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tRhgzUMo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCk4RiKH9H0

Like hearing those going through the Suicide Mission for the first time legitimately got my heart racing, and when the achievement popped up for saving everyone I let out a whoop. game owns

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Rynoto posted:

The suicide mission was incredibly good and made the boss fight at the end seem comically stupid.

yeah but then the boss fight is followed by a really good "hero and friends escape an explosion while under fire from desperate mooks" scene and I'm a sucker for that poo poo

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

1stGear posted:

Yeah, probably a note saying they all died on the way to their home galaxy. I'm pretty sure Andromeda is getting memory-holed.

lot of hints in comments on ME4 saying it'll tie the two galaxies together. how that'll happen, idk, but I don't think it's getting abandoned completely

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Kai Leng has a gunship to cover him while he recharges his shield in the open (????)

Shepard to this point in the series has killed like five gunships and not a minute beforehand had killed two harvesters which are gunship-equivalents

If you shoot at the gunship Kai Leng makes fun of you and you can't hurt it

Then Kai Leng says "this ends now" and jams his sword into the ground (???) before closing to melee range (????????) which causes Archangel or two special forces operatives or the Prothean avatar of vengeance to miss every shot they take on him

dogshit boss fight and dogshit character

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

neonchameleon posted:

And has anyone else noticed they don't seem to be including the Pinnacle Station DLC?

there was some issue with the original code for the PS3(?) so they said eh gently caress it, it's just pinnacle station

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Lt. Danger posted:

if I remember rumours right in very early pre-production the geth were gonna resurrect Shepard, not Cerberus

later plans were to recruit Legion on a mission to the Normandy SR1 crash site


very powerful lens flare cannon. the remaster will give us the Kai Leng bossfight we deserved

a boot stomping on Kai Leng for eternity

broadly I'd be OK with losing to him too. I was fine with losing to Saren in the original fight in ME. Saren was built up as a way more credible threat and Kai Leng was not

and yeah I remember those rumors too. it's why Legion was front and center in the original ME2 teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNcmIsPdqBw

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Funky Valentine posted:

Putting off Tali's loyalty mission just to bring Legion is A+.

Instead we get Martin Sheen being really dumb and then douchebag space AI kid.

Honestly would rather have just had a fight against Cyborg Martin Sheen.

there was an interview about Sheen's process of recording the Illusive Man and at one point they told him "OK Shepard is going to give you some back-talk here so react accordingly" and he was like "oh no, he wouldn't dare" which owns

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Chocobo posted:

I think that canonically (maybe depending on how you shape your playthrough's Shepard), the option to control the Reapers and become god-like eternal Space Cop Shepard is actually the "Good" ending. I remember doing the synthesis choice first but that choice only really exists to justify Seth Green loving a robot.

Mass Effect 4 is set after the synthesis ending and is a management simulator where you tackle thorny legal issues like "does a praetorian count as 30 people" and "does the human gun-arm on a cannibal get its own social security number separate from the batarian body"

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Blue Raider posted:

The only redeeming part of Andromeda was the pretty buried side plot of how the mission was inspired by knowledge of the Reapers.

Or something like that. I don’t remember the specifics, but the plot like ended before it concluded by examining some kind of murder on the notCitadel.

Jesus, I barely remember anything about that game.

I remember a mission where a guy is in jail for murder but you find out he only tried to murder the other guy and a kett was the actual culprit

so your choice is to free him or keep him in jail for murder instead of remembering that attempted murder is a crime too

also aww

https://twitter.com/jhaletweets/status/1356766360202711040

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Lt. Danger posted:

the ME3 OC ending was just the Final Fantasy 7 ending for millenials

all downhill from there imo

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

I had fun playing through Liam's loyalty quest - you get in this hosed up situation because Liam did a dumb thing and you end up having to fight through a ship where gravity keeps getting reversed. it wasn't groundbreaking or anything, but the characters bounced off of one another with the right mix of playfulness and irritation and the setting was memorable. I then realized that almost every mission in me 2 felt like that for me, whereas this was the first time I felt even a glimmer of it. then it was right back to the soulless grind


I liked that mission but also it felt like the characters knew they weren't in any danger?

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

Star Child was very obviously lying about the Geth. Sorry that you got punk'd.

"oh you want to choose the option that'll kill me? well it's, uh, it's bad"

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

DourCricket posted:

If big changes like 'fixing' the ending were on the table I'd want them to just remake the whole drat trilogy really

I do want that.

I wish they had all the guns from ME3 available in ME2/1. The gun variety in that game ruled

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

I guess that tracks. By the time the multiplayer team had finished adding characters, weapons, maps and enemy factions and all manner of wacky rule-of-fun stuff, for free, it was easily another whole game's worth of content. I don't know how they'd do it but I and several friends would absolutely purchase a rerelease of that mode.

Yeah by the end they were like, do you wanna play as EDI? What about Zaeed? Nyreen? A geth juggernaut? gently caress it go nuts

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

upgunned shitpost posted:

but only if they go back to the me2 mattock and make it sound the same. the one in me3 was anemic.

they did this same poo poo to the revenant in Andromeda and it sucked

from a loving avalanche of bullets to plinkplinkplink

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

marshmallow creep posted:

Revenant in ME2 was a supergun exclusive to the Soldier class and only available after getting to the collector ship, so it was kind of an intentional class specific power boost. Like giving a Holy Avenger to a paladin. When they removed the class restriction, I guess they felt they had to balance it against everything else. I wish they could have just made it heavy as the sun and still overpowered as gently caress.

this would have been the move, they did that with the Saber (best sound design in the game) and it ruled

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

DoubleNegative posted:

The Omega DLC for 3 was embarrassing. They want to build up the bad guy as this great general who can predict his enemy's moves. How do they do this? By showing him loving around with a chessboard twice. At one he calls you up once to say "I predicted you'd do this." And then you're forced to walk into the middle of an obvious trap so the game can drop a SWTOR-style moral choice out of nowhere. They also said he's not like the Illusive Man and that he disagrees with Cerberus's methods. And then a later cutscene shows him condoning strapping innocent civilians into a machine so they can be turned into abominations.

When I recently replayed the series, going from the highs of the end of Priority: Rannoch to the lows of Priority: Omega caused some whiplash, let me tell you.

Shepard I hate it here on the Citadel and we need to TAKE BACK OMEGA

Shepard i am so happy to have TAKEN BACK OMEGA. I AM OMEGA

hello Shepard thank you for TAKING BACK OMEGA with me. I am going to stay on my couch in the Citadel though for some reason

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Rockstar Massacre posted:

I mean literally I don't see any reason your non-active squadmates shouldn't still be on comms or on the ground, half a kilometer back in a support/ground crew in most missions. it's not like they have a job to do when they're not breaking people and things that you point at.

but that's a huge change and way outside the design scope of ME or indeed anything bioWare may still know how to make.

Really I would love to have Garrus on sniper overwatch or Tali hacking poo poo from the ship

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

OhFunny posted:

The best thing in ME3 is your squad interacts with each other on the Normandy between missions instead of standing in their corners for the whole game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu9_HG_Nhck

See this was awesome BUT

For some reason they forgot to make Ashley move around the ship. She stays in Samara’s old room the whole game, gets drunk with Vega off screen, and never interacts with anyone. Real weird!

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

OhFunny posted:

She's camping in there to avoid taking to the aliens because she's a space racist.

see normally I'd figure that might be a reason but she even expresses sympathy toward Liara after Thessia and everything! I think they just dropped the ball

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

nine-gear crow posted:

Mass Effect 3 Ashley was Actually Kinda Good, at least as far as a non-Vega/non-Zaeed/non-Jack human squadmate goes. Kaidan was still boring as poo poo, but I'm trying an experiment with my most recent FemShep run to see if romancing him makes him any more interesting. Doubtful, but I need to find out.

yeah she massively improves as a character and then they just stick her in one room for the whole game. even Kaidan plays poker with Garrus

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Psycho Landlord posted:

If Kai Leng's actual fight on Thessia wasn't such a cop out he'd probably be more well liked as a badguy who gets trashed repeatedly

But his actual fight on Thessia is a giant cop out.

plus the bit with the Citadel coup where he jumps on top of the car and Shepard's response is to go "oh that's weird"

like try to shake him off or something man, cmon

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

thrilla in vanilla posted:

Doesn’t Shepard shoot at him through the windshield or am I remembering wrong?

That whole sequence is dumb as gently caress haha.

I think possibly? Of course in a cutscene Shepard can't hit anything

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

chaosapiant posted:

I always just assumed a man jumping on the hood of a space car with his own Mass Effect shield could easily disrupt the vehicle and any attempt to “shake him off” could result in the vehicle crashing. There’s lots of excuses you can use in a sci-fi fantasy about why Kai Leng works, at least just as many as why he doesn’t work. It’s big dumb goofy space fantasy poo poo and Kai Leng works just fine in that regard. I often feel like folks think Mass Effect is a much harder edged sci-if than it really is. Granted, the first game does lean a bit more in that direction.

I mean it's cool if the scene worked for you but if the answer to "why don't you try to shake him off or scrape him off on the ceiling or something" is that then it's kind of doing a lot of work eh

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Oxxidation posted:

one of the weirder/sadder side-stories of the Ends are Bad debacle was patrick weekes bitterly explaining the way walters and hudson shut out the rest of the team on a different forum (Penny Arcade i think) and being ratted out by another user there, which led to bioware censuring and muzzling him

just a shitshow all around

Some account of different factions and POVs in ME3's development would be fascinating

I know there's that Geoff Keighly Final Days of ME3 piece but it always felt like something made with a lot of corporate cooperation, if that makes sense

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

exquisite tea posted:

And then Shepard goes, "...who?"

one of my favorite little touches in ME2 was if you go "thanks but no thanks" to Garrus in ME1 and you go on the Archangel mission Shepard will go "Garrus ... Vakarian?" when he reveals himself instead of the joyful "Garrus!" she says if you play like a normal person

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

Have to say, time has made me kinder to the Mass Effect 3 ending. The Extended Cut still sucks, but I think the idea they were getting at - that synthetic life will inevitably outcompete organic life and render it extinct - is interesting. The problem is, people seemed to think that Shepard making the Geth and Quarians play nice is something that will inevitably hold for all time. And that, in say a year or ten years or a hundred, that some idiot Quarian won't try to wipe the Geth out again. And I think Legion even says that every single time the Quarians have felt they had the high ground, they've attacked the Geth. Which, as we see in ME3, just about ends with the extinction of their species.

Shepard, your choices matter*

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Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
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Psycho Landlord posted:

I do remember! It's exceptionally loving stupid!

"huh there's the normandy, well that's a stealth ship, can't shoot that no sir, even though it's in atmo and visual range, this doesn't hurt you shepherd"

he literally turns to watch it go. it's real weird!

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