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Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Seemlar posted:

It's not a thing. An XBox Live closed beta leaked a few months before release that contained older drafts of the script in it's files, and the ending choices are identical other than superficial wording. Synthesis was described as "become one with the Reapers" and considered the 'perfect' ending. The starchild was there just referred to as 'Guardian'


I was always weirded out by their insistence on synthesis as the preferable ending because like ... I do not want to learn to coexist with omnigenocidal immortal space monsters tvym

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Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Seemlar posted:

Control being the paragon ending makes sense because it's the obvious paragon solution - saving everyone by saving the Reapers from themselves, getting rid of the thing that compelled them to be monsters, turning their vast knowledge and powers into tools of good rather than evil. After all every Reaper was once a race of people, they're victims too. Except Harbringer, the Leviathans getting juiced was karma.

see I feel like if I got turned into a weird gestalt consciousness which had murdered trillions of people I probably would just wanna die

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Funky Valentine posted:

And you have to be gay with Kaiden.

this is Steve erasure

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
If the ending was "Congratulations on Killing the Reapers, Shepard. Here is how things fared based on Your Choices" then we would have been on Mass Effect 8 and Netflix Original Mass Effect Season 2 by now

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

ghouldaddy07 posted:

I think the brand is unrecoverable from the ME3 ending debacle. One early access animation gif was enough to sink Andromeda on arrival.

People like Mass Effect enough that Mass Effect: Sorry would probably save it

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

chaosapiant posted:

I do find it ironic that DA has better choice/consequence import when ME is the series that touted that feature from the beginning as being a major thing.

Remember how cool it was gonna be when our Rachni army was gonna crush some reapers? Yea...me too.

It was much cooler when they offered to install panels on the crucible and then exited the narrative entirely

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

even though my female characters are always extremely thirsty pussyhounds I had no interest in going there. we had one conversation and she was like "I believe in God, btw" and the game tried to make it a big thing when I wanted to just say, "uh ok cool". Then I think the very next convo had an option to say "I like you". She really had no other personality of note.

Notably, the same conversation with Ashley in ME gives you like six different ways to respond. MEA gives you two

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i went team dextro usually.


i think the issue i have is the game is just boring as gently caress. all the characters are mostly super safe, the story is super generic, the worlds while pretty at times, dont go anywhere. most of the game is filler. it felt like inquisitions world building but way worse.

Crucially, none of your teammates can die or be kicked out. IIRC you can’t even get mad at them

As someone who usually plays to be buddies with all the party members, the ability NOT to do so is crucial

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Simone Magus posted:

I bet there isn't even very much Andromeda deviantart porn

truly the sign of a failed Bioware game

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Andromeda has quests where you have to go to five places on a planet to see if one of them has the MacGuffin

But whether or not the MacGuffin spawns in those places is random so sometimes it doesn’t spawn and you have to go back to the Tempest and then back to the planet again

Sucks

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Yeah I can remember all kinds of cool fights from ME2/3 and basically just Liam's mission from Andromeda

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Aphrodite posted:

Andromeda has better combat controls, but 2 and 3 are better designed around theirs.

the pacing in ME2/3's encounters were A+ and somehow worked for any of the game's classes. Like it has to be real difficult to design encounters around a dude who pinballs into enemies and shotguns them at the same time as a dude who invisibly snipes from a distance but they pulled it off

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
here are the best missions in The Mass Effect Setting ("Themes") in no particular order save for:


THE SUICIDE MISSION (A+ No. 1 no serious challenger)


Shadow Broker ship
Citadel archives
Grissom Academy
Archangel recruitment
Thane recruitment
Kasumi heist
Tuchanka genophage cure/sabotage
Citadel coup
Liam's loyalty (only MEA entry on the list and even then it's a bit of a stretch)
ME1 final mission (battling up the side of the Citadel with Sovereign in the background was v. cool)
Virmire

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Moola posted:

man its been like a decade since I played ME2, and just reading "headbutt Uvenk" I remember the exact scene you're referencing vividly. You could post "having a drink with Chakwas", "shooting cans with Garrus" or "assuming direct control" and waves of warm pleasant memories come flooding back. Even some of the lower points of ME3 are still memorable as hell "chatting with Anderson before he dies"

Andromeda has loving NONE of this. People post names of the main characters in this thread and I'm just like, who? Or species names like the Anagrams or the Kett and I'm just like, oh those... purple guys and the putty monsters??? And I played Andromeda last loving year lol

oh yeah, you can bring up NPCs from the good ME games and DA games (and even DA2 honestly because that game had a lot of heart) and I immediately remember what's up. Like when I went through the Dragon Age Keep it was like "ah yeah, poor Thrask! And I hope Bella and the tavern show up sometime!"

I forgot details of ME:A literal days after finishing it.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Simone Magus posted:

I remember exactly one NPC in Andromeda fondly, but don't remember his name or anything he said and you only do like one mission with him

I think he was uhhhh... some kinda bandit leader with a heart of gold? Or something

Grandpa Krogan and Female Garrus were okay companions I guess

... Reyes? Maybe?

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

chaosapiant posted:

I actually think the Salarian and Turian ark quests were better than Liams. And yea, Shadow Broker is absolutely number one! I do put Leviathan up there with it as well, just because I’m a sucker for underwater poo poo.

I could see an argument for those. Honestly the ME2-style missions were the best part about Andromeda and they should just ditch open worlds for ME4 and do that until infinity

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Mordin mentions at one point that someone on the Normandy has varren scale itch which usually only is transmitted sexually

Kelly mentions finding aliens attractive

Varren are aliens

QED

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

A talking coyote posted:

I drat near platinumed andromeda apparently. I was just missing a couple of combos and an insanity run.

I have no idea what happened in that game. I know there was an ice planet, a desert planet, and a jungle planet. I think the ice and desert planets you couldn’t be out in the elements too long or you would take damage but I might be remembering that from a different game. I think there was a junkyard planet too?

there are in fact TWO desert planets in Andromeda

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Moola posted:

Clancy is the only good VA in that list, and he's in the game for 5 minutes unfortunately

Indira Varma is good and cool

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

ShakeZula posted:

Opinions can differ on the quality (the only one on that list that I felt did a straight-up "bad" job was Anthony, and it's hard to parse that out from how badly the character of Gil was written), but I was disputing the notion that the game employed a bunch of non-union nobodies.

And Indira Varma was great in Rome, too

Varma was Vivienne in DAI and she was real good in that

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

pentyne posted:

I remember it was such a huge deal when Martin Sheen signed on to do Mass Effect 2. Like people shocked he was "slumming" it doing video game work.

Turns out they pay extremely well and people love an actor's iconic voice, not a super talented VA reading lines. Modeling the character to look like him only made it easier.

my favorite little detail about Sheen as TIM is that at one point they told him to read a line as if Shepard was backsassing him and he was like "oh they wouldn't dare"

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Simone Magus posted:

Three if you count the toxic planet

When I played and got to a third desert planet I mentally did the Seinfeld I'm out gif

they actually have two interesting planets -- the first one with lightning and floating rocks and poo poo that you never return to, and the destroyed planetoid which has no characters to talk to on it

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

one thing that caught me off guard in Andromeda was that a decent chunk of squad banter when you're driving around gets hostile. like you'd go on a drive with liam and the turian and out of nowhere Liam would be like "I think that your relationship with your sister is really hosed up"

Liam and Vetra hate one another, they get intensely personal from Day 1 and never move past it. It's weird!

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Sally posted:

type her full name then:

Pellasaria B'Sayle.

nope nevermind that's even worse.

Things they could have called her:

Pelly
Pella
Lasra
Lessy
Sari
Ria

Thing they chose to call her:
PeeBee

ME:A had no confidence in itself and was self-own after self-own

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Ashley is also in a backwater unit specifically because of her family getting blackballed due to her grandfather surrendering to the Turians.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Lt. Danger posted:

we did that already with Mass Effect 2,














which is why we should do it again because ME2 was fucken sick

At bare minimum ME4 should copy ME2’s “45 minutes of combat/45 minutes of talking to the spacebros/45 minutes of exploring hubs to find a new mission” format

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
yeah a close read of all the upgrades reveals that Shepard has become some kind of loving Terminator, which is why in one of the best moments of the series early in ME3 you ambush some Cerberus mooks and one of them goes "holy poo poo it's SHEPARD"

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Eau de MacGowan posted:

Argh i really regret spending millions of dollars turning someone into an unstoppable living weapon, i cannot believe that backfired on me - tim

let me resurrect a hero -- a bloody icon! -- who can convince anybody of anything and give her a cruiser and access to some of my best operatives

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
This thread is giving me ME2 thread vibes which is a good thing 😊

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
The problem of the Reapers being portrayed as unstoppable could have been solved by a simple "well they had to FTL for a while from dark space instead of teleporting in to the Citadel so they are Weaker now" handwave

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
by LotSB Liara's is pretty good but it was a little sus in ME1

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
DAI is a million times better than MEA

MEA is better than Outer Worlds by a good margin

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Sydin posted:

Noah Caldwell-Gervais summed up Outer Worlds perfectly in that as a New Vegas fan it did everything he expected it to do, and that was the problem because what made New Vegas so incredible was how much it threw him for a loop at every turn.

Outer Worlds was cargo cult New Vegas like MEA was cargo cult ME original trilogy

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Dapper_Swindler posted:

nah, he got thrown out the airlock for being a gross rear end in a top hat sex pest who said alot of hosed up poo poo to women and dudes while pretending to be super with it and woke. dudes loving done.

yeah but his influence on movie culture is pretty significant and won't go away anytime soon. unfortunately.

And as for Hale she got a full-blown profile in the New Yorker of all things

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/08/15/voicebox-360

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Julius CSAR posted:

Yeah blow them reapers up.

gently caress ‘em

who would even want to negotiate with omnigenocidal immortals honestly

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
It's important to have events that few players will see because allowing the players to make the choice that will lead to those events not happening is important in and of itself for roleplaying purposes

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Padok Wiks is written by John Dombrau

Jondom Bau is written by Patrick Weekes

Just a fun little Mass Effect fact!

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Priority Earth shoulda had a lot of reactivity based on Your Choices

like cmon you're telling me I'm not seeing a horde of Rachni boil out of the ground to drag a Reaper underneath? No Geth Juggernauts hot-dropping in with Quarian bombardment if you saved them both? No charge of Krogan with my buddy Wrex?

did have that weird turret section right before your emotional final conversation with Liara though lol

honestly they kinda screwed themselves by making the Suicide Mission so good. I went in expecting Priority Earth to be a culmination and while it had its moments it was not that

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Lt. Danger posted:

e: like the point of the Hammer command base is you do a tour of all your troops and get to see the krogan/salarians/turians etc, all your squadmates and former squadmates. it's underdone but your choices and consequences are displayed

Oh yeah it's definitely there I was just hoping for some Ride of the Rohirrim poo poo. my ideal priority earth would be like four hours long

they kind of tried this with ME:A's ending -- you hear a lot of background chatter from people like Reyes and the Pathfinders you've rescued. It didn't quite work because ME:A was a cargo cult ME game but there was an attempt

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Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

thrilla in vanilla posted:

I thought the priority earth mission was good from a gameplay perspective. The run to the new conduit was hella dumb but cool looking and the trudge through the citadel human juice slough is probably the most unsettling part of the game in a good way. The view of the Tim/Anderson convo is nice too.

Really of the main missions I think thessia is the worst and dumbest from both a story perspective as well as a gameplay one.

Thessia has the Kai Leng fight where he makes fun of you if you try to shoot the gunship even though Shepard has killed like 10 gunships by this point and not five minutes prior had killed two Harvesters who are gunship-equivalents

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