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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

That poo poo is absolutely insane, if they manage to pull it off they can drop launch cost per kg by a couple orders of magnitude. It would be the biggest space flight revolution in decades.

Also, the thing is now one of three official candidates for the moon lander in the artemis program. I don't know what you would even do with all that cargo capacity. Take a couple elephants to the moon and back?

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

OMGVBFLOL posted:

that's only with orbital refueling, isn't it?

Yeah, but starship development seems to be going extremely well for now while nasa's artemis program is a never-ending clusterfuck of delays, cost overruns and bad design decisions so they are probably thinking that this thing will be certified and ready by the time nasa actually needs it.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

ASenileAnimal posted:

i dont really follow spacex much except for knowing that their stuff blows up alot. probably the main thing you dont want to happen when your entire company is based on sending people into space.

SpaceX is pretty much the only competitive launch company left on the planet. They already have something like 70% market share and growing fast. Some launch companies haven't had a single launch in all of 2020 due to them and most are doing mass layoffs and flaying around trying to technologically catch up with them and not die. That's the power of math!

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Nuts and Gum posted:

Watching rockets land upright looks like some reversed video hackery, just unreal.


Stupid question: why bother with that type of landing at all? Isn't it 1000x safer to just make the rocket land like the shuttles do? Or is not having landing gear that important?

It's not that much safer. Landing the space shuttle was very difficult and any kind of fuckup during the process would have very likely killed everyone onboard. The wings were also very hard and expensive to protect from reentry heat. Most important reason though is probably that starship is explicitly designed to land on Mars and you can only do powered descent on Mars so it needs that capability no matter what.

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