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So, in accordance with tradition, I celebrated Groundhog Day yesterday by watching the 1993 Bill Murray film, Groundhog Day. Something stuck out at me that hadn't on previous watches: at the end, when Phil is busting out an amazing piano riff, his piano teacher turns to Rita and declares, "He's my student!" Now, if some stranger showed up on my doorstep with $1000 for an urgent lesson and then suddenly started playing like a master pianist, I'd think I was the victim of some kind of scam. I might even throw them out, $1000 or no $1000. Even if she kept the money and humored him I find it highly unlikely that the piano teacher would identify him as her "student" when obviously he was a master pianist before he even showed up. At best she would see him as a colleague playing a good-natured prank and at worst someone intentionally trying to humiliate her. Now, the audience knows Phil really is her student and learned everything he knows from the piano teacher. The only way the piano teacher would feel the same way is if she were also experiencing the time loop. Therefore I propose the following theory: the piano teacher is a witch and cast a time loop spell on Phil so that he would have to come and learn piano from her. Also, it's possible she hated her other student and enjoyed getting to throw her out over and over again.
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Feb 3, 2021 16:54
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Give me $1000 bucks to teach you something you obviously already know and I'll claim I was your teacher too. Your theory doesn't require a time-traveling witch - just human greed.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:16
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The piano was her student.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:22
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I had always figured as this skill progressed that the cover story to the piano teacher changed too. Like, at first he offers 1000$ for an urgent lesson, later on he's a highly motivated amateur with an itch to scratch while out of town. Then finally he knocks on the door as a visiting secret pianist who would really like the chance to practice jam with her before he leaves town. Of course later on this would mean she would say something like "he played with me at my house this morning, what an amazing experience!", not "that's my student". So your theory of the sorceress piano instructor holds up.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:27
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Applewhite posted:So, in accordance with tradition, I celebrated Groundhog Day yesterday by watching the 1993 Bill Murray film, Groundhog Day. Groundhog Tits and Groundhog rear end go on piano adventures
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Feb 3, 2021 17:27
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Joust posted:The piano was her student. and that piano was Albert Einstein
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Feb 3, 2021 17:28
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The piano teacher is actually a mischievous demi-god who is responsible for the time loop in the first place. Assuming the form of the piano teacher was it's way of self-inserting into the scene so they could watch events unfold from the ground level.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:29
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phil wants to make people feel good and uplifted. he would obviously flatter her teaching abilities by pretending to "learn" really quickly and she's dumb enough to believe it. this is a nothing theory!
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Feb 3, 2021 17:30
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nm turns out the teacher was actually punxsutawney phil in human form.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:30
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I watched this for the first time in years and drat near pissed myself when he fuckin decks Tobolowsky.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:33
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this has all already been touched on by the current sequel series Guraundohoggu When They Cry: Gou
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Feb 3, 2021 17:39
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Uncle Enzo posted:I had always figured as this skill progressed that the cover story to the piano teacher changed too. Like, at first he offers 1000$ for an urgent lesson, later on he's a highly motivated amateur with an itch to scratch while out of town. Then finally he knocks on the door as a visiting secret pianist who would really like the chance to practice jam with her before he leaves town. I figured since Phil's MO with the townsfolk was to mine them for info and eventually come at them like a guy they've known forever but haven't seen in a while that he eventually conned the piano teacher into thinking he used to study under her. The scene would have worked without the throwaway line anyway. I'm actually curious how much discussion there was to include the line. Did they just want everyone to assume she was hella proud that she produced such a great player in a matter of hours or did they flesh out the backstory. I like to think that Harold Ramis (Egon from Ghostbusters who directed Groundhog Day) had explained the whole thing painstakingly to the screenwriting team and got his scene. RIP e: I found a little tidbit from his imdb bio page which probably points to Bill Murray knowing the true answer to your question OP: imdb posted:Said in an interview that his working relationship with actor Bill Murray ended while filming Groundhog Day (1993) due to differing views on what the film should be about (Murray wanted it to be more philosophical, Ramis wanted it to be a comedy). Ramis also cites that Murray's real life personal problems at the time (specifically the ending of his first marriage) was having a ripple effect on his behavior at work as another factor in the unfortunate ending of their working relationship. Did Harold Ramis put the line in to gently caress with Bill Murray? Screaming Hand fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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Feb 3, 2021 17:43
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Bill Murray didn't escape the time loop, the time loop just moved to the next day so that Bill could believe he had been freed and be brought to new depths of despair when he goes to sleep and wakes up starting the "new" day all over again. You see, Bill Murray died of a brain aneurysm the morning before the movie and he had never accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his saviour who died for his sins on the cross.
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Feb 3, 2021 17:54
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I hate this loving movie. There I said it. Also Bill Murray is a lovely loving actor who gets way too much credit for being garbage in everything he's in. Honestly, what has this guy done in terms of 'acting'? The answer is nothing and the only thing you remember him for is 'being Bill Murray'. Admit it.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:01
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Big Beef City posted:I hate this loving movie. There I said it. I think the movie is good but you're right that Bill Murray is very much one of those "every role is him playing himself" actors.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:03
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There never was a time loop, everyone was just playing a big prank on Bill Murray
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Feb 3, 2021 18:03
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i dont think anyone disputes that, i think people just like it when bill murray is bill murray
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Feb 3, 2021 18:03
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"He's my student" is supposed to make you laugh because she's a bad person who takes credit for something she didn't do. Remember she literally shoved her child student out the door when Bill Murray offered her cash. It's not a plot hole, come on man.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:08
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Who What Now posted:Lord Jesus Christ as his saviour who died for his sins on the cross. can you loving mark that with spoilers please? gently caress. not everyone has gotten to the end yet.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:08
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She just wanted some recognition OP and she was technically correct from her perspective, and thoroughly correct from ours. Normaly I like following these wierd strings of movie logic but this is a nonstarter. Now Live Die Repeat on the other hand....
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Feb 3, 2021 18:32
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wa27 posted:"He's my student" is supposed to make you laugh because she's a bad person who takes credit for something she didn't do. Remember she literally shoved her child student out the door when Bill Murray offered her cash. It's not a plot hole, come on man. it's this, you all are overthinking it It's actually one of the best lines of the movie because what she's saying is factually true but she doesn't know it, and she is lying to make herself look good. thus establishing that a true statement can nevertheless be a lie
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Feb 3, 2021 18:40
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I suppose an alternative to both the witch and the “she’s taking undeserved credit” theories is that Phil may have explained his situation to her, proving it in the same manner by which he convinced Rita. Though she has no memory of teaching him, he has managed to convince her that he has, in fact been her student.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:47
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Meme Poker Party posted:I think the movie is good but you're right that Bill Murray is very much one of those "every role is him playing himself" actors. I'd say this is mostly true whether you're talking about wacky comedy Murray (Ghostbusters) or somber dry Murray (Rushmore, Lost in Translation), but his John Breckenridge role in Ed Wood was the one distinct departure that came to mind.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:49
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In that movie Phil had a heart attack and died in the opening scene right after finishing his weather report. Rita is an angel sent to guide him through purgatory set in Punxatawney.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:15
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I am living in a Groundhog Day time loop. It’s called Covid 19 buddy.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:21
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Bill Murray is a wack rear end bitch!!
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Feb 3, 2021 19:34
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Phil Connors is a bodhisattva and Groundhog Day is the record of his enlightenment. If anything about the movie doesn't make sense it's because it's a religious film.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:39
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I think I'd find it extremely comforting living the same day over and over again. When I watch this movie, I find myself feeling pretty jealous of Murray's character. The sense of control his character must feel sounds amazing.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:46
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It’s kind of interesting how soon the desperation of suicide sets in for Phil. Few of us want to die and most fear death’s inevitability, yet the prospect of an inescapable eternity presents a different sort of existential dread.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:50
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I wonder if Phil did any sick poo poo while he was stuck they just didn't show. By that, I mean Phil definitely did sick poo poo they just didn't show, stuff that would make Armie Hammer vomit and cry.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:59
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I prefer the porn parody, Grindthehog Gay
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Feb 3, 2021 20:23
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Did you know that the events depicted in the movie groundhog day can't actually happen
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Feb 3, 2021 20:34
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Big Beef City posted:Did you know that the events depicted in the movie groundhog day can't actually happen That’s impossible to know for certain
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Feb 3, 2021 20:44
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No i do know for certain actually I checked.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:04
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I wonder if Phil did any sick poo poo while he was stuck they just didn't show. By that, I mean Phil definitely did sick poo poo they just didn't show, stuff that would make Armie Hammer vomit and cry. He sucked a turd out the old man's dead body.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:08
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:He sucked a turd out the old man's dead body. It didn’t test well so they replaced the turd with an oversized piece of angel food cake, that’s why Andie MacDowell looks so disgusted with him in that scene.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:13
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there was an andy samberg groundhogs day movie on hulu. It was all right
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Feb 3, 2021 21:14
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Big Beef City posted:Also Bill Murray is a lovely loving actor who gets way too much credit for being garbage in everything he's in.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:30
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bill murray is not even an actor, he's just a weird gullible guy that keeps getting roped into showing up on movie sets and just tries to roll with it. he has never seen a movie screen in his life and has no concept of what is going on around him at any given moment.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:40
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Applewhite posted:So, in accordance with tradition, I celebrated Groundhog Day yesterday by watching the 1993 Bill Murray film, Groundhog Day. No, she had dementia and it's pronounced GIF
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