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Raskolnikov38 posted:why did liberals glob onto progressive anyway, the original progressive movement was largely Republican Pretty sure the turn happened in the early-mid aughts when Fox News was at its most influential and was effectively into turning liberal into a slur for much of the US (for the wrong reasons). Rather than stand their ground, a lot of libs instead turned to progressive as their preferred adjective. Which makes sense, because there's no defending liberalism when you get right down to it. That's how I remember it playing out at the time, anyway.
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witchy posted:their lives/most of their fortunes That was a big mistake, imo.
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Eggplant Squire posted:Maybe they should???? Congratulations, you've made me want to punch my monitor. I don't think that's ever happened before.
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Feb 17, 2021 17:47
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Trabisnikof posted:it owns that the libs are trotting out the exact same excuses as used to defend the concentration camps of the boer war I don't think it owns at all. I find liberals' lack of historical understanding and precedent (and of object permanence) to be very frustrating, actually.
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Feb 23, 2021 23:34
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:tbf regardless of all the bullshit surrounding it, it is still a little concerning that many people can be convinced to fly to DC and breach police lines to enter the capitol Among the plains tribes in North America, there was the concept of counting coup. This involved making your way to an enemy and striking a blow against them then escaping unharmed. This could be an actual strike, but could also be just touching them with a stick (a coup stick), a hand, whatever. Because of the danger involved, it won the warrior prestige and bolstered the morale of their side, while also demoralizing the other side (since if he'd wanted the attack to be deadly, it could have been.) After a battle, warriors would recount to their tribe their coups, which would be recorded through notches on a coup stick (or sometimes other methods, depending on the tribe and its traditions.) As far as I'm concerned, that's the real danger 1/6 represents. It was a coup, but not a coup d'etat - and any suggestion that it was is absurd on its face. But it was a coup of the counting coup variety. It's being able to go back to your alt-right/q-anon/stage 2 fasc message board and brag about how you locked yourself in the bathroom and forced the police to negotiate with you while you jerked off. It's about taking goofy photos of yourself stealing the podium from which some of the most powerful people in the world deliver their speeches. It's all the, yes, lulz that these chuds managed to achieve and then brag about to their peers. It's a morale victory that makes them feel strong. And in that sense, it's dangerous - made moreso by figures like Schumer or AOC likening it to 9/11 or even loving Pearl Harbor 
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Feb 24, 2021 17:35
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stellers bae posted:yeah... except the 'other tribe' (the cops, in this example) literally let them in. You think they went to the capitol because they have grievances with the cops? The cops weren't the target of their ire, the political class was.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:22
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stellers bae posted:and what exactly did they do to 'the political class'? not get within a mile of them and then get shot in the neck Did you miss the part about the capitol riots being described as worse than 9/11 and on par with Pearl Harbor? I even cited that in my post. According to the political class, these channers and chuds are powerful, every bit as dangerous as Al Qaida and Imperial Japan. Utterly absurd, I know, but that's the narrative that their enemies have handed them on a silver platter. For fascists, that's a PR victory, even if one (1) of their number was shot by a cop. It makes them seem strong. This is why punching fascists and making them look weak is so effective, but allowing them moments to appear powerful is dangerous. Yes, they were also clowns, jerking off in the bathroom and dressing like face-painted barbarians. Fascists have always been able to handle being clowns - they even use it to their advantage - but it's the feeling of being powerful that they crave, and the appearance of weakness that they fear. And whether or not you can see it, the fact that the cops are on their side to the point that they just stepped aside and let them have their way makes them feel more powerful, not less.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:56
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Yinlock posted:he gets real mad any time he's even remotely challenged on anything, doubly so if it's a minority doing so If he's given enough prep, Biden does fine with challenges (like during the interview he gave about the Reade accusation). It's when he's required to think on his feet that he lashes out, like... well, all those examples from the campaign. Or his meeting with black civil rights leaders the moment it went in a direction he wasn't expecting.
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Feb 28, 2021 22:21
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Thump! posted:It ain't worth ever engaging anybody in D&D, good faith arguments are a probatable offense there. 
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Mar 4, 2021 16:56
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Shipon posted:Damning by faint praise here but Trump did more for the left in America than decades of liberalism did. It wasn't enough but think about Obama and what his failures gave us. The only "left wing" movement to really rise up during Obama's years was Occupy and that was quickly seized onto by progressive stack identitarian bullshit. This is normally where I argue that you have to grade Occupy on a curve, because it was a mass of (mostly) young people who had been thoroughly propagandized about the "proper" way to protest and enact change and they had to learn some very hard lessons for anything approaching the left in North America to progress past this infantile stage. And despite all that, the movement managed to achieve some significant goals in terms of direct action. But instead of saying all that (wait I just did), I'll just point out that Obama also gave us BLM. In fact, MeToo started under his watch, as well, even if it didn't really blow up until the Trump years.
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Mar 4, 2021 21:25
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Shipon posted:That's a fair point about Occupy, the messaging behind it started real strong and focused and I would agree that it boiled everything down to a very simple question of class and who owns the means of production. Which then resulted in academics and "activists" coming in to muddy the waters with other focuses. I'll concede the MeToo thing, because while its roots are humbler you're right that it didn't really get oxygen until celebrities started sharing their stories (and of course it was smothered the moment it became too inconvenient for the politically powerful). But regarding BLM, two points: 1) I've never seen anyone directly involved in BLM make anything approaching the bolded argument. 2) I would argue that it is a left-wing movement, whether or not the leaders/founders of BLM realize it, because you cannot extricate matters of racial justice from matters of class in the United States. Defund the Police became the movement's mantra, and that's impossible without also dismantling a lot of the Capitalist apparatus - if not all of it. Some - even many - within the movement clearly understood this, from what I've seen both on social media and in fleshspace. Not all, true, but unless they just give up on their goals they'll have to come to terms with this reality sooner or later.
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Mar 4, 2021 21:57
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Sorry, I can't understand any mural that includes RBG but not Piccolo. Why would you even do that, I mean what's the point? smh...
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Mar 5, 2021 01:07
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Raskolnikov38 posted:gonna be honest I’m getting more and more annoyed by people calling themselves socialists who just want a safety net for capitalism Any definition of socialism that doesn't account for the inherent contradictions of capitalism is missing the loving point. In other words, I'm right there with you.
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Finicums Wake posted:i can't find the audio clip now, but some law professor who knew her from back in the day said she's always been a rightwing careerist. I got u, comrade. https://washingtonbabylon.com/drucilla-cornell-elizabeth-warren/
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Mar 10, 2021 22:50
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Oh Snapple! posted:Yeah as long as the Biden camps can be dressed up even slightly, "well it was worse under Trump and any improvement matters" will be the common line among anyone who really doesn't like to let their thoughts linger on the gross poo poo the party does. Given that the camps are already being expanded and filled beyond the prior covid-based limits, it's probably more like "it would have been worse under a hypothetical second Trump term," which is the perfect defence because as a counterfactual it can be as bad as you can imagine.
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Mar 13, 2021 19:35
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Most of them, yeah.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:20
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WampaLord posted:literally every reply to this is hateful Sunrise Movement didn't win any friends during the last election, so I'm not surprised.
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Mar 22, 2021 22:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:apparently this was the one that broke the camel's back: This is what started it, and got her some pushback, but the current blowup is more related to her 1) doubling down and 2) calling asian folks "crazies" afterward instead of just apologizing or even not saying anything. Also, VideoTapir posted:Legend of Korra is Randroid trash
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Mar 27, 2021 13:29
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:
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Mar 28, 2021 11:49
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This is a while back, but...Eggplant Squire posted:Does anyone have that edit of the Kelly thanksgiving cartoon but it's leftists wanting to watch breadtube instead of reading theory I didn't save it when I had the chance and that was a mistake since it continues to be funny 
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Mar 29, 2021 23:43
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:We have the proud, open statement of the man who built the camps on the intention behind them. Barack Obama, and his vice president, Joe Biden, were quite clear on their intended purpose. For some reason I got it into my head that you'd been permabanned, so I'm glad to see that I was wrong.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:25
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"What do works even mean, maaan?" is one approach to debate, I suppose.
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Apr 3, 2021 11:58
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spacemang_spliff posted:lmao they're complaining about tweet embeds in QCS Didn't the nazi mod get his buttons pretty much entirely thanks to his "excellent USPol posting," which consisted almost entirely of aggregating tweets in the thread without comment?
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Apr 4, 2021 13:02
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a Loving Dog posted:that guy is so loving stupid. the first time I’ve ever seen a post by him was yesterday and I already hate him He's single-handedly killed threads because of his terminal lib brain, it's honestly kind of sad.
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Apr 5, 2021 13:41
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Trabisnikof posted:Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
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Apr 14, 2021 17:21
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Ah, but have you considered that even though the invasion is so old it's almost of drinking age in every state, it might be too soon to withdraw? REAL PROGRESSIVES understand a little thing called COMPASSION, maybe try it on for size once in a while, TANKIE! https://twitter.com/progressivepush/status/1383001730523205632
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Apr 16, 2021 11:39
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Some Guy TT posted:that doesn't make any sense why would a country thats trying to genocide minorities have ethnic based affirmative action policies Many parts of the US have affirmative action, and the US (like most of the post-colonial West) has engaged in a bipartisan, long-running genocide action against indigenous groups for centuries. Setting aside the debate about the accuracy of the accusations against China, I don't think the one disproves the other.
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Apr 19, 2021 11:22
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I'm really confused about this one. Normally succ lords like Reid don't understand the first thing about the immortal science, but I suppose the only time you can get close to good takes from liberals is when they're trying to own conservatives... https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1383904012785786885
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Apr 19, 2021 11:52
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:why would he debase himself like this Much like Chomsky, he seems to make himself very accessible online. He was a semi-regular guest on the Michael Brooks' Show, for example, he's been on a number of podcasts, has a youtube channel, and recently did an interview (more of a guided lecture, really) with Hakim. This one was a mistake, though. Not sure who told him it would be worth his time. I tried to listen to it, I made it maybe four minutes before my Destiny tolerance reached critical levels.
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Apr 22, 2021 13:49
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There's another timeline out there where Parenti is occupying the space currently occupied by Chomsky, but we're not cool enough to deserve to live there.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:11
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I like the replies to this that assume that, because they're protesting Biden, this must be a protest run by climate change deniers. Even a pathetic protest like this is too far, any dissent means you're The Enemy.
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Apr 23, 2021 11:27
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Pissing off liberals is good, though.
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Apr 23, 2021 12:05
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lumpentroll posted:but xr is liberals So you're saying it's win-win.
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Apr 23, 2021 12:30
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So weird how when property is on the line only one of the three arrows seems to matter, really makes you think.
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Apr 24, 2021 16:33
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Mr Hootington posted:We should stay in Afghanistan. Opiate withdrawal is very dangerous! There's a minor invasion-methadone joke to be made here but I'm too lazy to find it.
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Why were tasers invented, again? I could have sworn it was for situations like that. Most police in China don't carry guns. Some train primarily with sasumata poles. Of course, trying something like that would require US cops to stop being cowardly little bitches, which will never happen. Falstaff has issued a correction as of 22:30 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Tiler Kiwi posted:lol i just looked up the source of that treatise and i gotta say, lmao, lmfao He's such a goddamn moron. I'd like to say I don't understand how he became such a posting superstar in some quarters, but the fact is I do understand it and it reflects very poorly on the standards of (some parts of) this site.
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I'll see your lmao and raise you a rofl https://twitter.com/magpiekilljoy/status/1389212356874588160
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gradenko_2000 posted:what the gently caress is that tweet lumpentroll Not gonna lie, this makes me kinda sad. Some have said that you should never have heroes. I won't go that far, but you should definitely not turn into heroes people who won't even stand up for themselves, because if they can't even do that much then how can you expect them to stand up for you?
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