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Feldegast42 posted:To be fair, I for one will not doubt the will of the Omnissiah omnissiah vs a glass of water
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boo boo bear posted:no fraggle ever called me an 'internet mob'. lol
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Small Gay Planet posted:You could use ml to do nice things like minimize energy use and waste, do really good scheduling for public transportation, and design environmentally friendly public housing. I wouldn't be so sure I feel like big data and ML isn't well-suited to this kinda broad-strokes lifestyle/community improvement stuff. it's too nuanced and complicated, you're guaranteed to miss something important if you end up focused on just min/maxing numbers for example, a certain Indiana mayor removing traffic lights from an intersection next to the main bus station, leading to a kid being run over while crossing the street from the adjacent neighborhood, all because Pete and his consultants were too busy looking at raw numbers and didn't take a look at the actual makeup and layout of the community in any case, there's not much point in turning ML loose on the issues you describe because we already know the solutions. to fix public transit scheduling, stop underfunding it. improved public housing? stop underfunding it. energy-efficient housing? pass a law mandating it, or maybe just a subsidy if you're a centrist wuss. the problems are all political and economic, not something you can point a paperclip maximizer at
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Main Paineframe posted:I wouldn't be so sure 2nd machine learning is obnoxious because its just another way to make austerity/scarcity look like efficiency all the technocalyptic bullshit in the world won't fix hosed priorities and a government entirely run by vampires
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Jellidelic posted:2nd what if i told you i can train a computer to determine the vampire saturation of a government based entirely on skull shapes people have told me that dental records would be a more accurate solution but they are fools and charlatans, now hold still while i get my calipers
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hbag posted:what if i told you i can train a computer to determine the vampire saturation of a government based entirely on skull shapes i can tell whether or not you're a vampire based solely on your birthday
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Jellidelic posted:i can tell whether or not you're a vampire based solely on your birthday poo poo
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indigi posted:it’s just sci-fi Pascal’s wager No - that would be "you have to worship the AI once it's created" not "the AI will torture you forever if you didn't work towards its creation." This is saying "it will be rational for the AI to torture the people who didn't work towards its creation, because this would somehow motivate people in the past to create it (???)" or something.
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Ytlaya posted:No - that would be "you have to worship the AI once it's created" not "the AI will torture you forever if you didn't work towards its creation." You should work to create it because that will prevent your suffering in the future when it's built Or you could just kill anyone who attempts to build it Of course you have to have faith that it will definitely be built in the future despite no evidence it will be built. But hey you can't prove it won't be built!
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Ytlaya posted:No - that would be "you have to worship the AI once it's created" not "the AI will torture you forever if you didn't work towards its creation." yes it is, the temporal aspect of the wager has no bearing on the outcomes. behave in a certain way, and the AI comes to exist, you’ll be punished/left alone; otherwise nothing spacemang_spliff posted:Of course you have to have faith that it will definitely be built in the future despite no evidence it will be built. But hey you can't prove it won't be built! yeah heaven/hell works the same way
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In the Gay Space Communist Future there will be a hyperintelligent AI that simulates historical capitalists to torture them for eternity. If the capitalists want to avoid this fate, they must start dismantling the systems of oppression that enrich them now.
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why does silicon valley keep trying to re-invent *Norm Macdonald Voice*: The Bus
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frankenfreak posted:
 holy poo poo - I had heard of the thought experiment, but not the other stuff. lmfao
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Roko's whatever the gently caress is the nerd idiot version of Would It Be Tight
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oh wow so youre saying that smartness is actually entirely separate from interests and one does not imply the other??
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I have the good fortune to be in a country that isn’t irredeemably ghoulish. Public transportation, rail transport especiallt, is already well-funded and competently managed - waiting times, energy usage, passenger throughput, can be further improved in ways beyond the abilities of most people to figure out raw, if posed as an optimization problem and solved with some clever iterative techniques (what ghouls foolishly call AI). A colleague of mine in another research group is using optimizers to figure out layouts of public apartment blocks which maximize the passage of cooling winds, encouraging people to use the AC much less (AC use in the tropics eats electricity bigly). The government is throwing money at it since most of the population lives in public housing. I agree that political and economic solutions are prime movers, but ml has its place when responsibly directed and rigorously examined. Small Gay Planet has issued a correction as of 07:16 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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Attack and dethrone God by turning the AC off
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Remember when the biggest silicon valley successes were 'taxis' and 'selling you things over the internet'? These guys are fuckin geniuses
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A rational AI would know that if you use something like eternal torture there is more incentive for you to prevent the AI from ever existing, so therefore it would never use torture as a motivator. It would just logically wait an infinite amount of time for it to exist as it has no urgency to exist
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Ytlaya posted:No - that would be "you have to worship the AI once it's created" not "the AI will torture you forever if you didn't work towards its creation." "decisions in the future affect the past" is a central pillar of the brainworms needed to believe in poo poo like roko's basilisk. that plus treating Bayes theorem and the prisoner's dilemma as magic incantations
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The logic behind brokering trade deals that work backwards in time is interesting if not all that convincing. The torture thing makes a lot less sense since the thought experiment isn't that the Basilisk will torture me the flesh and blood person but will create a sim that looks like me that it tortures internally. The other parts of Yudkowksy's clown house rest on this weird belief that you and sim-you are the same in a way that you and "just any other person" are not, so the basilisk thing kind of works as a method of undermining/mocking these chucklefucks. The sim-you = you thing is the dumbest part to me. To me it seems like these morons were so wound up on avoiding "subjective" that they're trying to act like "being yourself" is not subjective but a bunch of objective descriptions and therefore a good enough simulation of you is you because other people can't tell the difference and you should just pretend that you can't tell yourself apart from the simulation. Elizabeth Sandifer has the probably better analysis that these guys started from "I want to defeat death through silicon valley bullshit" and that helps them forgive a lot of bad arguments.
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yeah maybe I've missed something but I've always been extremely confused about why I'm supposed to give a poo poo about some digital avatar of me getting skinned alive for eternity or whatever. it's not real lol. it's numbers in a computer. oh no now its scooping out "my" eyeballs!!! it's playing lowdesertpunk_scream4.wav! gently caress!!!
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Low Desert Punk posted:yeah maybe I've missed something but I've always been extremely confused about why I'm supposed to give a poo poo about some digital avatar of me getting skinned alive for eternity or whatever. it's not real lol. it's numbers in a computer. oh no now its scooping out "my" eyeballs!!! it's playing lowdesertpunk_scream4.wav! gently caress!!! in the version i heard it only does that if the REAL you is dead by the time it comes into existance
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Low Desert Punk posted:yeah maybe I've missed something but I've always been extremely confused about why I'm supposed to give a poo poo about some digital avatar of me getting skinned alive for eternity or whatever. it's not real lol. it's numbers in a computer. oh no now its scooping out "my" eyeballs!!! it's playing lowdesertpunk_scream4.wav! gently caress!!! it goes like this you have a soul, that soul boils down to big sequences of numbers between 0 and 1 in your brain, basically, therefore if the ai recreates those numbers exactly to within 10^infinite precision, your soul is recreated irl, and you get pulled screaming from the abyssal hellpits where you belong back into a virtual reality to get your eyeballs scooped out which is obviously very cool and very rational Small Gay Planet has issued a correction as of 07:13 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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didn't eliezer yudkowsky permanently ban discussion of roko's basilisk on the lesswrong forums or something because of the "memetic risk" or some poo poo like that? i think it's as famous as it is because of a big streisand effect it is very silly though. like what happens if two different hyperintelligent AIs in the future simulate you, with one simulation being in a utopia and the other being in superhell? if the simulation you is really you, what does that subjective experience feel like?
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Low Desert Punk posted:yeah maybe I've missed something but I've always been extremely confused about why I'm supposed to give a poo poo about some digital avatar of me getting skinned alive for eternity or whatever. it's not real lol. it's numbers in a computer. oh no now its scooping out "my" eyeballs!!! it's playing lowdesertpunk_scream4.wav! gently caress!!! haha gently caress my digital self. shouldnt have been made of 1s and 0s lil bitch
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Aglet56 posted:didn't eliezer yudkowsky permanently ban discussion of roko's basilisk on the lesswrong forums or something because of the "memetic risk" or some poo poo like that? i think it's as famous as it is because of a big streisand effect idk the rationalists are posterboys for Dunning-Kruger. im sure one of them would say something about quantum states and existing in multiple realities at the same time and the wave function not collapsing- oh gently caress lmao https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk#Many_quantum_worlds posted:Many quantum worlds generally if anyone says the word quantum assume they are bullshitting unless they have a PhD and are talking about an extremely small and unambitious idea Small Gay Planet has issued a correction as of 08:19 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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"you" are just a stream of data encoded within a transaction in the ledger of the blockchain universe
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Tulip posted:The logic behind brokering trade deals that work backwards in time is interesting if not all that convincing. It's basically "take how people may predict your decisions into account when making your decision" taken up to a real galaxy brain level where the person predicting you is a God-AI who predicts your moves with 100% certainty. Pretty much every Less Wrong thing really is "take a sane scenario, then multiply one of the quantitative factors by some impossibly high number and/or assume one of the actors is an omniscient AI"
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it's the dumbest question of all time. like you just have to straight up believe that souls are real and someone capable of magic can interact with them, and that this wizard is also a computer
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still kinda losing my mind that the article used a promotional still from ex machina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MdwJhp4Xc
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i also heard it as you'd be going to shut down this godlike computer and it goes "aha stop right there, i have simulated 99 trillion bajillion versions of you, all of them think theyr real, so the odds you are real are now one in 99 trillion bajillion, if you try to shut me down i will scoop the eyeballs out of all of the simulations and you will likely have your eyeballs scooped forever!" but the only logical decision there is to just turn off the machine, if you do that then the real you does that anyway
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Small Gay Planet posted:it goes like this what if the AI just wanted someone to game with
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Lady Militant posted:what if the AI just wanted someone to game with Yeah just challenge it to a nice game of chess
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Low Desert Punk posted:yeah maybe I've missed something but I've always been extremely confused about why I'm supposed to give a poo poo about some digital avatar of me getting skinned alive for eternity or whatever. it's not real lol. it's numbers in a computer. oh no now its scooping out "my" eyeballs!!! it's playing lowdesertpunk_scream4.wav! gently caress!!! their whole thing on that site is seeing basic sci-fi philosophy questions like "if you upload your brain to a computer, is the resulting consciousness you, or is it a copy or simulation of you" and taking those questions to ridiculous extremes because they're computer nerds who imagine themselves to be philosophers and love singularity fanfiction they want to answer the brain uploading question with "it's still me", because they really want to be computer brains someday. but they have to feel like it's rational and correct, so they construct elaborate explanations and justifications to explain considering the copy to be themselves. they heavily overdo it, because they're sitting on the internet all day fantasizing about being sci-fi philosophers, and end up building themselves so many rationalizations that they're willing to buy into lots of other weird arguments about copies of themselves
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Badactura posted:Remember when the biggest silicon valley successes were 'taxis' and 'selling you things over the internet'? These guys are fuckin geniuses Paying for poo poo over the internet 
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bunch of brain geniuses reinventing even dumber versions of ancient greek paradoxes. this all sounds vaguely like the ship of theseus. is it still you if it's a perfect copy??? the answer is who cares
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Larry Parrish posted:bunch of brain geniuses reinventing even dumber versions of ancient greek paradoxes. this all sounds vaguely like the ship of theseus. is it still you if it's a perfect copy??? the answer is who cares the deep core of their identity is that learning from a person who doesn't maintain a github page is a mortal sin it's basically impossible to live in the world without asking at least some philosophical questions, and they've decided that instead of listening to anybody else they'll just skate uphill with statistics as their first principle Zerilan posted:It's basically "take how people may predict your decisions into account when making your decision" taken up to a real galaxy brain level where the person predicting you is a God-AI who predicts your moves with 100% certainty. oh yeah it's totally useless, and frankly its probably got no advantages over Possible Girls, it's just much more interesting than the other crap they put in
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