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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Pirate Jet posted:

If fun is stuff like Wonder Woman 1984 I hope this film is the least fun Iíve ever had in my life.

Joss Whedon's Justice League was fun and in color and Superman CG smiled in it and look how that turned out. Batman made jokes and Martha Kent said Lois Lane was the thirstiest reporter Clark ever knew. So much fun and crack wise. It was exactly what such people wanted.

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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Roman posted:

it's amazing how they took something that would at least appeal to Snyder fans and made it into something for absolutely nobody

Whedon's Justice League and Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker is exactly what the people who complain asked for. They were given exactly what they wanted. Turns out not only do they not really understand themselves, their fanboy subject, any aspect of creative film-making/writing, and just exist to bond with each other in hate. So I don't know why anyone listens to them since they clearly don't like what they ask for.

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400 years from now when the Earth is an apocalyptic wasteland from the ravages of climate change the remnants of man will gather in the ruins of the last museum on earth, a Costco, and hoist into the air a Blu Ray DVD of Justice League: The Snyder-Cut and declare it to be the zenith of art. As it hovers in the air, transcendent as if from on high and light beaming behind it, beneath it is a pit as if from hell where cries of the damned yell "RANDIAN!" "SNYDER-BRO!" "WHY CAN'T YOU BE IN COLOR!" and arms of MCU heroes are stretched out from the pit exclaiming "SAVE US FROM DISNEY AND THE FANBOYS!" and the Snyder-Cut Blu Ray whispers back "No."

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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RBA Starblade posted:

It sounds like Watchmen's the zenith there

lol, right.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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KVeezy3 posted:

Comic-book superheroes are largely structured to be a certain way, that is - extremely insular (Detached from history/culture), and petrified of taking risks/tackling big ideas, which results in deeply conservative works, both creatively and politically. But this extends far beyond just superhero fiction, to what I think is the reason for a lot of bad genre fiction as well as contemporary U.S. literature (U.S. authors even say theyíre proud that their fiction is about nothing, as a way to proudly emphasize their dedication to pure craft and the aesthetics of language).

But as youíve said, Watchmen & The Dark Knight Returns were watershed moments for the comic book genre, because it presented genuine new possibilities for the form by shedding the insularity of its past in a turning to the world. The problem is that the comic book industry used the new spotlight to exploit the Ďseriousí and Ďadultí aspects purged entirely of their social/political content, and so the traumatic opening created by Moore and Miler was closed up and the extant history is used to justify its own continuance: superhero fiction has always been this way, so it canít be any other way and compelling stories canít be told otherwise. But thereís no such thing as inevitable forward progress.

Superman previously destroyed slums to force the U.S. government to improve the material conditions of the underclass. Where did this guy go? Sure, it's kind of dumb, but when was the last time a superhero did anything as interesting as this?



Brawleh is right that the real contention about Snyder is politics & ideology, since the typical complaints about his DC work is beloved in other superhero films and even the most ardent critics admit that his films are well designed. Nerds are cool with the TDK Joker killing a bunch of people, but committed to Batman killing none [b]is[/i] political. People deride his films for being CGI-fests, but the Avengers films, particularly the latter ones, are far more egregious.

As a genre filmmaker, Snyder not only isnít afraid to touch sacred cows, but often finds that thatís the most creatively interesting thing to do (Hence Zodís snapped neck). What makes him not simply a contrarian or nihilist, in the vein of Brightburn (2019) or Super (2010), is his commitment to following through as honestly as he can. Post-Watchmen, he doesnít think there is a Ďgoing backí to a world where Raimiís Spider-Man 2 is considered the platonic ideal of comic book filmmaking, and in the process wants to redeem the mistake of the comic book industry in the realm of studio blockbuster filmmaking.

Of course, you can say that Snyder is failing to do it well, but I disagree that itís not worth trying in the first place because of tradition.


Certainly, the death of Batmanís parents has been a staple of every Batman film, but we should recognize how Snyder does it differently and how dependent the entire structure of the film is on that opening. ďMarthaĒ memes aside, the theme of parental figures permeates the film. While Batman is having nightmares about his parents and his mother being a monstrous vampire, Superman is able to turn to his mother and (The idea of) his father to find a calm island in times of crisis. The film makes Lex Luthor into a Jr., and although Luthor Sr. is long gone, his presence remains an ominous specter over the film.

Robinís murder is an important event, but far more crucial to Batmanís descent is Snyderís critique of Batmanís entire vigilante career. Clark investigates Batman and is deeply troubled that heís mostly targeting the underclass with the consent of the police (An investigation that his boss doesnít want him to do in lieu of puff pieces, the filmís critique of private news media under contemporary capitalism). Batman reflects on the fact that he hasnít been able to cause real change, that ďCriminals are like weedsĒ - the trauma of losing his parents to street level crime has him blinded to a structural analysis, which he comes face to face with at the end of BvS when the justice system lets Lex Luthor off free.

This is great stuff. Thank you.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I donít get the complains on the CG. I think it looks good and projects power and character.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I admit I do want to see Darkeid show up on Aquamanís couch with a magnificent grin on his face and face Jason Momoa play off it

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MacheteZombie posted:

I like his armor design but I don't think DS really pops in that still image the way I'd like him too.

This Iíll agree with. Itís not popping or dynamic like something Kirby inspired would do.

If I had to make an excuse itís like his costuming absorbs the light line a black hole

Gatts
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Bongo Bill posted:

It looks like the idea is to give Apokolips itself a consistent design - super stark black and orange accented with silver, so dark that even the light is sickly and frail, visually connecting to the Knightmare sequence and carrying that palette to its farthest extreme. I'm not expecting Darkseid and his inner circle to have a large role, aside from Steppenwolf, who's the urgent invading threat.

I swear thereís an effect of a hellish color scheme where even the orange light is squashed/consumed by the darkness and bleakness of it.

Edit: no Iím wrong, one can see light reflected on the path Darkseid is walking on

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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McCloud posted:

It's hilarious that the execs were sure they had a super hit on their hands after the Whedon changes and we're shocked when it blew up in their faces.

Whedon did Avengers. Ergo proxy victor tango foxtrot same success. They also thought they were meeting all the complaints people had. You have to think like a business person.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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This is really good

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I would be good with a Keenan Jon Stewart GL too.

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Jan 2, 2001

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

Thompson or Waynes?

Both would be fine by me

Thompson. He can be the straight man to Jack Blackís Guy Gardner GL.

Now we just need someone to be Kyle Rayner GL...

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I am quite hype

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Jan 2, 2001

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Thank you, this was good

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Mr. Apollo posted:

I wonder how all the stars of JL feel about the positive reviews.

Remember those Press Junkets where Ben Affleck had darkness over come him? And then he turned alcoholic? Maybe this will heal those wounds.

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Jan 2, 2001

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teagone posted:

Lol. I would have loved seeing pre-viz animatics using the explosion sound effects Snyder was making during his MoS/BvS commentaries.

Release the Zack Workprint Cut

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I am planning my week for Friday Night to watch this movie. I need to figure out what food and drink goes with this movie.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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teagone posted:

If a Suicide Squad Ayer cut comes out complete with Steppenwolf, motherboxes, and parademons, I will take a 1 month probation. :toxx:


I'm down.

Dude why

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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teagone posted:

Why to the Ayer cut probe? Or why to the Snyder Goku reboot? Lmao.

The probe man. Youíre a good poster donít do this!

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Aquaman was not good and I donít understand the sincerity comments. Shazam had some sparks on the family aspect but was lame overall. WW1 had something going for it until the 3rd act and WW2 blew chunks. Endgame is disposable entertainment but it was fun at the time with audience experience so it has redeeming value and then it can continue to be forgotten 5 seconds later like the entire MCU.

These are my opinions. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Speaking of which someone convince Scorsese to do a cape flick.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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I have a whole plan to watch this movie tomorrow but the self control needed to not do this now is great

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Jan 2, 2001

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That was really great. I give it a B+ overall. Even my parents of all people watched the whole thing, liked it, had good things to say and theyíre not really into movies too much.

Grateful Zack got to make his movie and I got to see it. 4 hours was right to let things breathe and develop.

I wonít mind if thereís a dump truck of money to make a sequel but also wonít mind if they go in a different direction. On one end this was a success and I hope many see it too.

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Jan 2, 2001

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Gal Gadot is a completely different actress and WW under Snyderís direction compared to her own movie series. He knows how to pull a good performance from her.

I loved Harry Lennix as Martian Manhunter and Ryan Choi The Atom

Cyborg was a definite standout and everything just gelled together and worked. I also appreciate how key Lois is to everything.

I liked the theme of family, fathers and mothers, and I suppose it ties into what Zack was going through himself. It brought humanity into everything.

This is a legitimate film and not disposable blockbuster flick.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Shageletic posted:

I was still wincing. She's not a good actress.

Well yeah ok that is true but I liked her here

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

Adrian Palicki Wonder Woman was a David E Kelley joint

Single female superhero dramedy

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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This has probably been said but General Swanick and Lois resolved to clear Superman and investigate together in BvS. He has worked with her and respects her and understands her value. His dialog is to get her to move on, heal and return to work because she hasnít. The world needs Lois Lane to do what she does because it helps.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Lex: i can control Superman by using Martha

Superman: i can get Batman to relate to my humanity by mentioning Martha

Martian Manhunter: oh okay i see how this works

Lmao exactly. Martha should be the key to combat the anti life equation

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Perry: ďI had to fake Clarkís death so he could do some investigation at the behest of General Swanick.Ē
MM as General: ďUh yeah. Clark was totally on a top secret mission for me...Superman what now?Ē

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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The next X-Men movie should have an X aspect ratio and all movement should be contained within it.

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Jan 2, 2001

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Asteroid Alert posted:

This film looks absolutely beautiful on a CRT.

Dude....did you keep one over this long or do they still make them? I don't even know nowdays.

I imagine the whole dark-light/contrast would work well. I should get an OLED.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Schwarzwald posted:

Honestly, that'd be a really good take. Retail work as a life without hope. Consumerist mediocrity as hell.

They should have done a deal with Waffle House or IHOP to stamp an imprint of the anti life equation on every pancake they serve

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Jan 2, 2001

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Retrowave Joe posted:

It'd have to be IHOP because Waffle House is Life.

There are some professionals who use Waffle House as an indicator of economy or quality of life where if they shut down or close for prolonged periods you know poo poo got real.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Zaphod42 posted:

As cited earlier, warhammer fans lean into it.

From what media Iíve consumed of Warhammer, I dare say their fans have a sense of humor about the whole thing, arenít fooled and know what it is theyíre dealing with in subject matter and donít take it personal level serious.

But I could be wrong

ďIf the Emperor had a text to speech deviceĒ is one of the best comedies on YouTube

Gatts fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Mar 22, 2021

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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There should be no complaint on 4 hour run time when people are eating up full season runs on Netflix and binge watching is a thing.

Neener neener so there

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Does anyone even use that as an argument against other creators or film makers? ďDavid Fincher is a psychopath because...Ē William Shakespeare is a psychopath because he doesnít care about misc characters he wrote and serve story purpose and who the gently caress writes in sonnets and poo poo?

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

I don't think some of you realize how op Martian Manhunter is.

Most of the powers of Superman:
Flight
Invulnerability
Super Strength
"Martian Vision"(more like Cyclops beams than heat)
Survive in space

Also:
Shape Shifting
Density control(walk through walls or become super hard)
Professor X Level telepathy

Only major downside is his weakness is very common and easy to access: Fire

Yeah heís basically Superman Plus. Just donít let him get over his fear of fire lmao.

You could really branch him off though. Have a mini JL movie versus White Martians and then the Burning Martian.

Gatts
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

After like 8 years I still don't know what makes people so angry about Snyder.

On one level itís that he touched sacred cows that people put up there like religion and it didnít match their interpretation this this blasphemy against gospel discomforts them and on the other hand I think itís a human trait in a lot of people to bond/gel together at ragging on a target which I feel a lot of current criticism is. Join together in ostracism of someone.

As stated, comic books to some is a mythology akin to religion and these are modern Gods of sort and a lot of hate is stuff is baggage someone brings into it rather than engaging it like a piece of art to understand, study, develop, learn from etc.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

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Ang Lee did great homework for his Hulk movie and that was not well regarded and made fun of. It was a legit film that explored the Hulk and Ang showed he read Hulks history and whatnot but wasnít given respect and yet is one of the better cape movies.

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Jan 2, 2001

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Blood Boils posted:

Hilariously Ang Lee is the only one who actually thought about giving this character a backstory that would explain rage issues.

At least in movies, I dunno if Banner has an abusive father in comics

He does. Thatís why I said Ang Lee did his homework. Itís a very memorable Peter David story that Ang interpreted to the big screen where Banner canít control his warring Hulks and we dive into his mind and see that history at the root of it all. Especially since that is what gets Banner and his Grey and Green Hulk personas to declare a truce of sorts, acceptance and then results in the merged Hulk which is considered one of the best runs of the character. Bannerís intelligence, Grey Hulkís attitude, and Green Hulkís body. When we see Banner Hulk in Endgame itís basically the result of him making peace with his issues and itís ultra poo poo the MCU didnít bother giving us this.

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