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roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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well why not posted:

I'm sure we'd all prefer Leto removed, for sure. Even if ZS wanted Leto out, it's probably not quite as easy to replace or recast Jared Leto as it is Chris D'Elia. Leto is a full-on A-Lister and I'm pretty sure D'Elia wrote parts of his own Wikipedia page.

If he wanted to break everyone's minds, he could have gotten Joaquin Phoenix.

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roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Blood Boils posted:

We got those cute Whedon character moments though. The thirst, the brunch, the ~smiles~ that mean it's fun*

And like all Whedon works, it's poo poo!

I'm going to give Whedon credit for the shot where Flash saves the people in the truck, and we see Superman carrying a whole building. That's it. That's the only thing I'll miss.


This is whole aspect ratio thing is going to break the minds of all the people that fought against 4x3 pan & scan movies in the late 90s/early 2000s.

roffels fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Feb 17, 2021

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Jimbot posted:

I actually took a look at the trailer on the HBOMax app for the first time and it looks really good in pillarbox. You can really see that they framed each shot with that aspect ratio in mind.

I don't think I can remember any modern releases that uses this. I'm all for this sort of stuff.

The Lighthouse was presented in 1.19:1. I'm working under the assumption that it escaped people's ire because the sort of person bothered by that sort of thing wouldn't be watching The Lighthouse.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Hoping for something wild like Boston Brand / Deadman, Spectre, or Cain and Abel.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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I'm a dork and asked off of work that Friday so I can watch this late at night on my projector without consequence.

It's quite possibly the only thing I've had to look forward to this past year.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Violator posted:

I hope everyone does their part and pays the $15 for a month of HBO Max to support this after all of these years. :colbert:

Edit: Show those bean counter egg heads we want more Snyder.

I signed up for their 6 months/$69 deal back in December, I wish there was a way to tell them I signed up for the Snyder cut.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Pirate Jet posted:

https://twitter.com/BatmanvSuperman/status/1367613467805569024

“Expanded color” worries me a bit, didn’t they already brighten everything on the digital release?

It's also cropped from the original release

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roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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I don't care at all for Kevin Smith's films, but can listen to him geek out on just about anything. I can't think of anyone better to host.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Violator posted:

Yeah, I knew I was in trouble when the field looked like a (I'm going to get yelled at for this) a Quake 1 level with no features. No trees, brush, etc. It was just empty.

Most of Josstice League felt like it took place in either grey hallways or empty fields.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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RBA Starblade posted:

I WILL FIND HIM

in regards to shooting the guy with the oddball lol

HERESY

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Zaphod42 posted:

Of course it does, and most of Warner Bros is apparently racist as gently caress. But that has nothing to do with whether the Snyder scenes filmed before or after are of high quality, which was what was being discussed. You're twisting this in a really gross way.

Ray Fischer has had nothing but positive things to say about performing Cyborg and working with Zack Snyder. Apparently Zack invited Ray to help develop the character before filming, and it meant the world to him. I saw that same youtube video with the guy saying Ray hated his role, but that runs counter to everything Ray has said publicly.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Zaphod42 posted:

Or did BvS also get meddled with heavily?

Yes. They cut the runtime of it pretty close to release.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Robot Style posted:

For a certain definition of "close to release". The additional VFX work for the Ultimate Edition was done at the end of 2015, a few months after the rest of the movie had finished, so it was more a case of Snyder delivering the studio edit and then building it back up to his preferred version of the movie afterwards.

I appreciate the correction and you sharing your experience on these films.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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CelticPredator posted:

Yes. They really do.

People on twitter have no idea what it takes to even make a 70 dollar movie.

The budget for the first Superman movie in the 1970s was $55 million, to help put things in perspective.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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MazelTovCocktail posted:

Compare that to Superman Returns...the most cursed Superman of all time (nothing against Routh)

Are you just saying that because of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey, or are there stories to go with that?

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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teagone posted:

Nothing needed to be cut. The movie needed 4 hours to match the scope/scale. Which is fine imo. That 4 hours was breezy as hell for me.

I'm not the artist, and I've been conditioned by years of watching Hollywood films. I'm aware of the bias, but it also informs how I watched this film.

I definitely think some parts could have been cut, could have helped the flow of the film, and we wouldn't have missed out on any of the story.

Off the top of my head
Wonder Woman/Alfred tea scene
Martian Manhunter impersonating Martha Kent - it could have easily been left as just a caring Mother-in-law looking after Lois.
A few of the slower moments between Dr. Silas and Ryan Choi
Lex Luthor/Deathstroke scene
Knightmare epilogue scene

We'd still be looking at a long film, maybe 3 hours and 45 minutes.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Mr. Funktastic posted:

So does the Snyder cut really do much to improve the Whedon cut from something mediocre and barely memorable to something worth sitting for 4 hours watching? I can't imagine it does all that much to improve on the flaws of the original aside from adding more context and character development.

I think it's going to depend on where you fall when you watch films.

Does shot composition/editing/design/and music elevate your enjoyment of film? Can you appreciate these aspects independently from the plot? Then yes.
Do you care about character development? Then yes.
Do you enjoy cool action scenes? Then yes.
Are you only concerned about the plot beats? Then no.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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I said come in! posted:

Was that a CGI character? Something about the Joker looked way off to my brain but I couldn't tell if it was just because of Snyders weird artist choices.

Bad chroma key/blue screening.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Beyond sense of scale and style, I really appreciate that every member of the League actually had a reason to be there, and the absence of just about any of the heroes would have caused the plan to fail.

In the Whedon cut, everyone was just buying time for Superman to show up.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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I said come in! posted:

Snyder's cut manages to have weirder soundtrack choices then Watchmen lol.

Definitely a little jarring, especially when placed alongside Batman V Superman and Man of Steel. If I recall correctly, the closest we got to a pop song in either film was someone in a bar performing a cover of a song.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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abraham linksys posted:

which parts of this movie do people like

help me understand where you're coming from and please be as specific as possible because there is nothing here to grab on to

It's cool if you're not into it but trying to justify why I enjoy something to a person to someone that that can't imagine someone enjoying a thing isn't a great use of time. It's about as useful as me going into a thread where people are super into bowling or some random sport and exclaiming I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it. They do. That's fine. I move on.

Darko posted:

We got one when Clark was walking around stealing clothes in MoS.

Fair point, thanks.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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LanceHunter posted:

The League v. Superman fight is still probably the best action scene in the movie. And having Lois show up due to her own actions and motivations, instead of being there entirely as Batman's backup plan, is a good example of using the characters well.

I can understand some things getting changed for tone or time, but seriously, what was gained in the Whedon film by making that change? Was it to show that even when Batman is in a bad spot, he's always in control and has a back-up plan?

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Roman posted:

anti-cop sentiment is not as mainstream as you think it is

Batman V Superman had a cop try to shoot Batman, then nearly blow his partner's head off with a shot gun. I did not interpret that scene as pro-cop and won't presume Snyder's intent based on Lois giving an officer a cup of coffee.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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abraham linksys posted:

people are mostly talking about what they like about this version more than Whedon's which is understandable, and now I'm trying to decide if my time is worthless enough to watch the Whedon cut. does seem like it'll breeze by in comparison, if nothing else. or hell maybe I should go rewatch Man of Steel and watch BvS for the first time to really complete the picture

I'd say if you have any interest in seeing what studio meddling looks like, and what they expect audiences to enjoy, a back-to-back watch with the Whedon cut would be interesting.

I can't imagine jumping into the Justice League Snyder Cut without having seen Man of Steel or Batman V Superman, I think of them less as sequels and more as a chapter of a larger story. I'm not suggesting you should watch them if you didn't find anything in the Snyder cut redeeming, but it may give you more context.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Steen71 posted:

I think there's a case to be made for watching stuff you don't like from time to time. If one is seriously interested in film as an art form, watching a badly made film can be almost as interesting as watching a great one. I'm 20 minutes into ZSJL and am utterly fascinated by this film. I also think it's complete garbage.

That's a good take. I was better at that pre-pandemic when I'd make an effort to catch matinees at the chain theaters for $6, mixed in with whatever the revival theaters were screening. It's good, if nothing else, to attempt to find something good in a film you personally don't enjoy, and avoid saying absolutes like "that was the worst film I've ever seen" on something slightly askew to mainstream. And once in a while, something might surprise you.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Hollismason posted:

Like seriously what director goes " Yeah everyone has flat screens now, 4:3 is the ratio that Imma go with". Whole movie is trash because of that.

Zack Snyder, Kelly Reichardt, David Lowery, Robert Eggers, and I'm sure others.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Mantis42 posted:

the widescreen tvs actually cut the top and bottom off movies, 4:3 is the preferred aspect ratio of connoisseurs because it shows the whole picture

Sometimes.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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The REAL Goobusters posted:

I literally cannot believe, still to this day, that this is how the Whedon cut opens lmao

My mind short-circuited a little. I thought they maybe had a stand-in or recast Cavill.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Mr. Apollo posted:

A question about the motherboxes at the end: How come when Victor entered the unity and tried to separate the motherboxes they looked like demons or something?

I believe they were manifestations of the priestesses from the Age of Heroes history lesson.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Joss Whedon and Max Landis.

Max Landis posted a video today on youtube expressing regret for being toxic by making GBS threads on movies, for cyberbullying Snyder, and expressed it's more important to build screenwriters and creatives up than tear them down. Like I'm not going to defend Landis' past behavior, but he legitimately seems to have regret for his past actions and endorsed Snyder getting his creative vision out there, without commenting on the work itself.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Glottis posted:

probably been said 1000x but I wonder... is there anything filmed specifically for the Whedon cut that Zack added back? Cause like, who would know?


No.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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FizFashizzle posted:


And yes I know he appeared in BvS but that was stupid and out of place too. Like give me an example of him doing this before he literally saves the world with it.

They did on the Kryptonian ship when Barry approaches the speed of light and the dropping motherbox starts rising up before Barry touches it. Barry previously mentions things start getting weird as he approaches the speed of light.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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FizFashizzle posted:

Again, take away 5 minutes of slow mo, give me a 1 on 1 between the two of them. As it stands all we got was a hearty pat on the back and "thanks for giving my mom her house back."

That's a double whammy because Diane Lane's entire purpose in the movie was...to get evicted?[/spoiler]

Batman really took "Save Martha" to heart.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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theblackw0lf posted:

So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy?

Is that really a fair comparison? Thanos wasn't anything but a big purple dude in the sequel teases either.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Alright, we get the Clark Kent shirt-rip at the end in both this and the Whedon cut. I want to know the in-universe explanation explaining Clark Kent's return.

I figured the implication is maybe Clark and Lois move to Smallville, but then there's Clark, in the city, taking off his glasses.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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ImpAtom posted:

When you have five of the most powerful people in existence hanging out with you you can probably fake a "wow actually Doomsday knocked me out to sea where I landed on an abandoned island until Aquaman heard my cries and rescued me" thing.
Plus everyone with a name knows he's Superman anyway.

That's fair, and similar to how I remember the comics playing out. A shapeshifter, Supergirl, took his place and pretended that Kent was stuck under some rubble form Doomsday's rampage.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Phenotype posted:

What else are you gonna call it when the first nine(!) minutes of the movie are spent on a montage of landscape porn with no dialogue or action? And again, I liked this movie. I'm even gonna upgrade my score to a solid B now that I'm thinking about it.

Why is that a bad thing though? If Godfrey Reggio can make full movies of it like Koyaanisqatsi, why can't Snyder include some of it?

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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smoobles posted:

It never letterboxes on the sides, tho. I think some of us are wired to see that as "low quality" due to the Walmart $5 dvd bin containing those.

I didn't mind it once I read that it was filmed that way, and making it 16:9 would eliminate footage not add it.

If you do some side by sides, there are definitely some cropped and squished shots to make 4x3 in the Snyder cut. Notably some of the shots during speed-force time in the fight against Superman, and some of the shots in the Wonder Woman opening fight had the sides of the image cropped.

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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Oh, I'm not complaining. I'm just reporting what I saw. If Snyder says his preferred vision is 4x3, that's the version I'm going to watch.

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roffels
Jul 27, 2004

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It's going to sound dumb, but I actually have a projector that I haven't used at all in the past year - just haven't been in the mood to watch movies during the pandemic.

I hooked it back up just for the Snyder cut. And it was awesome.

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