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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Neurolimal posted:

Point was more that the reviewers who liked Ultron, didnt like Justice League '17, and dont care (?) for Justice League '21 are different people, so its weird to spin a "their opinion is moot" connection between them

Those are not opinions that even out.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Axel Serenity posted:

God that was incredible

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LanceHunter posted:

The League v. Superman fight is still probably the best action scene in the movie. And having Lois show up due to her own actions and motivations, instead of being there entirely as Batman's backup plan, is a good example of using the characters well.

It was super great that they established that she goes there every single morning instead of relegating one instance of that to a montage and having her mope in her apartment the rest of the time.

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Alexander Hamilton posted:

If it makes you feel better, just pretend that Lois is bribing the cop with coffee to get a close-up look at the site. She did that in BvS to get into Wallace Keefe's apartment already.

Yeah Lois is incredibly resourceful like that--like using both her embedded reporting experience and political connections to get to go to the arctic base in MoS.

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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Lois is the best she's ever been in Snyder's movies.

Just the implication, too, of her being able to follow the trail of Clark Kent without even knowing his name in MoS.

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The REAL Goobusters posted:

I literally cannot believe, still to this day, that this is how the Whedon cut opens lmao

I love love love love the "Everybody Knows" song for this opening too because

quote:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich

That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long-stem rose
Everybody knows

You could not have had a more on the nose song choice for the theatrical release of this movie.

And it is a loving industry miracle that now, 4 loving years later, we got what we got.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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to be clear, it's not as funny as his profile

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The Saddest Rhino posted:

So I'm aware that the whedon cut added the flash falling on Diana's chest scene (director trademark from age of ultron) and the "Lois is the thirstiest reporter" line, are there any other weird horny poo poo he did to the film?

Multiple butt shots of Diana, IIRC.

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sean10mm posted:

The thing about this, and a lot of Whedon's pervy tendencies in movies, is that they usually make no sense in context.

The thing about this one in particular is Whedon took one look at a scene in the can that already worked and wasn't really going to change, decided it needed an rear end, and got the stuff put back together to shoot Diana's rear end into it. 😬

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2house2fly posted:

The goggles Batman wears for the climax look a lot like Nite Owl in Watchmen

Yes, and he's not wearing his matte concrete texture suit from BvS either--it's shinier and has facet lines reminiscent of Nite Owls movie armor (though not as immediately recognizable as the goggles).

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The Saddest Rhino posted:

Nah man I like the scene but it's still pretty hilarious that she straight up destroyed a whole wall off a building then gently told a girl she could be anything she wanted to be. Like I expect it from psycho goreman not justice league

That owns though, she killed a bunch of reactionary white men trying to return the world back to patriarchic feudalism (boring!), literally shattered the ceiling and set off a fireworks show, then saved a bunch of kids and exploded the final boss out the window.

Absolutely, more little girls should grow up to do that.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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BiggerBoat posted:

Where did superman even GET a black costume? Do they show that or does he just come out of the grave wearing it?

Also...."get rid of your favorite scene"? Sure, I know every movie I love would be made a lot better if all of those memorable moments weren't in there. That U.S.S. Indianapolis monologue really brings JAWS to a screeching halt.

The black suit was one of the options the ship presented him.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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If he had limited time and resources to achieve a theatrical version there's even less excuse for that Diana butt shot because that scene basically happens the same way both times except one of them has a butt in it.

Also, you know, not mentioning the fact that he basically copy and pasted random London buildings into the skyline behind Wonder Woman on Old Bailey.

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Sucker Punch is Snyder's best film and both better than, and a critique of, the entire narrative and aesthetic standard that Whedon represents

Let's not forget that Black Widow's character arc across 35 Marvel MCU movies is basically Babydoll in one.

e: 25? 25.

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

That’s from some comics, but Man Of Steel has it specifically designed by Jor-El and/or the ship’s computer.

In Justice League, Clark chooses the black suit because the silver S on black background is the “if you seek his monument” symbol. That again implies that the ship custom-created it for him, because it would be a hell of a coincidence otherwise.

Yeah the Kryptonian suits have their house symbols in relief only, so if there's a silver S on his new suit then it was custom and the whole thing is visually linked to his monument from the end of BvS--the one he stares at immediately post-resurrection.

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pr0p posted:

I wanna hotbox myself to death like Silas

Build yourself a laser-powered bong, be the change you want to see

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Asteroid Alert posted:

Has anyone managed to see the new, REMASTERD BvS Ultimate edition?

The original Ultimate Edition did not switch back and forth between regular and IMAX aspect ratio, but the new iTunes version does. From scrolling through it briefly, Knightmare, and the title fight, are both in 4:3-ish IMAX aspect ratio. I couldn't tell you if the colors are better, because come on it's on a lovely ipad.

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Guy A. Person posted:

Yeah this is basically where I'm at, there's dark stuff but there's context around it and typically the outcome is more hopeful than people give it credit for (e.g. taking the Pa Kent "maybe [you shouldn't have saved them]" or Ma Kent's "you don't owe them anything" out of the greater context of Clark's arc and where it leads)

At the same time if there is an earnest response to why "the snap" from IW isn't grimdark but "the snap" from MoS is I would love to hear it

Because we knew the Malthusian Apocalypse victory was going to be immediately reversed.

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2house2fly posted:

Pretty much I think. I figure the boxes don't know much of anything when they're asleep, but when Silas woke the Nazi box it quickly scanned the earth and then thought "right, I'd better not call out to Darkseid because there's a Kryptonian here" then when Superman dies either the Nazi box is aware and then signals the others, or the boxes are attuned so that a Kryptonian dying registers to them

Can't find a Kryptonian "bioacoustic" anymore, send up the white smoke.

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Timeless Appeal posted:

One day this thread will over analyze and breakdown any language that is critical of Snyder's work until communication is simply gifs and screenshots from Snyder's movies. Which will probably.be better.

Bruce, his heart open.

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Guy A. Person posted:

Yo if this is your takeaway from an obvious rereg spouting talking points from twitter and insinuating we are all idiots who don't know English, then I guess we'll just have to live with our bad reputation

Kal-El, his suit black, his eyes red.

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Timeless Appeal posted:

It's not getting made because Snyder could read the room.

I feel like there is a really interesting quote from Snyder in it though if you want insight into his politics:


I mean not much of a surprise as Snyder openly supported Biden. I think the sense I get from Snyder's work is that there is appeal to him in the idea of great men rising up and enlightening the masses. And there's a poo poo ton of critiques you can give to that. BvS definitely gets into some Randian imagery when you have God show up for a hearing, but it's hard to think of Snyder as an Objectivist or Libertarian when Superman decides to die for those masses his mom warns him he owes nothing to.

It's also, like, Iron Man 1 and 2 are basically an adaptation of The Fountainhead, but the people Howard Roark refuses to give the building to are (secret) Nationalist Socialists and not Socialists, so nobody gave a gently caress.

Plus there's this entire like, saga, of what happened to the Zack Snyder Justice League, where instead of burning the laptop he stored it on, he polished it up and released it. This story, if presented, would also be an adaptation of The Fountainhead.

You see where I'm going with this?

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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The governor said Metropolis was open so

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Arkage posted:

OK, and for Josstice League, instead of wondering why Joss didn't do what you wanted him to do, you should think about what he was conveying by the stuff he did show.

Doesn't turn out well for Joss because what he decided needed to be in the movie is pretty much as bad as the stuff he decided didn't.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

Those are not opinions that even out.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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What these reviews also touch on is that Snyder's DCEU is also at least as much about the real world that you or I live in as the heroes themselves (despite the fact that so much of it is framed mythologically).

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Darko posted:

I figured Bruce *did* realize the inspiration, which is why Diana gave a knowing jab at said inspiration.

Considering the first time he even saw her in action she saved him from Doomsday's eye laser with the somewhat ambiguous usage of her bracers, yeah I'd say the direct line is drawn there.

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well why not posted:

Is this definitely true? Because there's definitely something up with him during Man Of Steel. The scene where everyone backs away as Superman walks towards the mirror includes a shot of Superman speaking "to his own reflection" while addressing Swanwick.

I know now that our current knowledge colours this, but it's very very intentional seeming shot.

I think Swanwick being an alien was decided as of BvS, not afterwards.

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stratdax posted:

I think that's fairly well accepted criticism of Snyder?

So is Snyder being a superNaziobjectofacist

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Ferrinus posted:

They wouldn't need to if they just beat Steppenwolf straight-up when he came for box 3. The reason he got away with it as is is that Superman kicked the poo poo out of the rest of the League right before Steppenwolf showed.

The existing league fought Steppenwolf twice making no appreciable progress against his armor, general prowess, and teleportation though.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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I'm counting the nuclear reactor fight prior to Supes arrival since we're discussing tactical verisimilitude instead of league decision-making.

Yes, WW holds her own more or less (more less) but none of them can actually damage Steppenwolf, while he flings and throws each member of the league into and under walls. And this is him without having an objective the league would otherwise have to defend. He's far too strong, far too mobile.

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https://twitter.com/atheistjliz/status/1379445176775684103

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grieving for Gandalf posted:

lol did Joss write a scene where someone accidentally falls into Wonder Woman's cleavage

https://twitter.com/wordsandsense/status/1379486994921848834

He did that, and threatened to ruin Gal Gadot's career over it. IIRC eventually he got her body double for that shot.

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Detective No. 27 posted:

Zack Sbyder's Bioshock

He made randian slug blood magic superpowers too awesome?

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teagone posted:

Saving Private Ryan is pretty good. Guess I'm a warmonger now. Schindler's List is an incredible film, guess I'm pro-holocaust now. Oh those are both Spielberg films, guess I'm, I don't know where Spielberg falls on the political spectrum, but guess I'm also the same politically/philosophically now.

There's probably an entire blob shape that covers most of the graph that is simply labelled Spielberg.

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khwarezm posted:

The thing is that it still basically frames Barry as the prime force in this relationship, he sort of ends up doing it all, he can save the world, he can run faster than light without causing the apocalypse, he can work several jobs effectively and he can successfully go through college and presumably start working to help free his dad. His father on the other hand is extremely passive, locked in prison with no hope, and apathetic about his fate, Barry as the superhuman is the one who makes things happen, regular people are at best along for the ride.

You're not completing the thought here.

What does it say, then, that Barry does not take his father's advice to forget him, that Barry drops his gigwork poo poo and goes to work for a crime lab because his fondest wish is not simply to see his father freed (because as the ubermensch you describe him to be he could simply will it be so), but to do it through the channels?

What does it say that Superman surrenders himself repeatedly to human authority?

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khwarezm posted:

But this doesn't resolve the other problem I mentioned that the government doesn't much actual leverage over him. What does it mean to put handcuffs on someone when they can break out of them of with the flick of a wrist? In the same movie it ends with Superman destroying a drone and directly telling an Army guy that he's not going to allow them any way to keep tabs on him and that his help will come on his own terms.

That actually makes it clearer to parse because he is in no way being coerced into anything so it should stand out starker as something he thinks is right to do!

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Timeless Appeal posted:

The longer Ma Kent kinda gets with the question I'm struggling with. Does Snyder think that Superman has a duty to do what he can for others?

This is the same rhetorical framing as "Must there be a Superman?" "There is."

Does it matter what Snyder thinks Superman has a duty to do when he clearly depicts what Superman thinks he has a duty to do?

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I think the implication is the motherboxes reconstitute you into an Apokolips,version of you afterwards--so for Steppenwolf he's not gonna care because he'll just be Steppenwolf again.

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2house2fly posted:

So wait, Superman is seduced by Darkside due to the death of his pregnant lover





That's why I posted this pic.

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Mantis42 posted:

Batman x Superman, a two hour AMV.

Batman y Superman, the telenovela

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