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Bullbar posted:I'm not saying JL is good or even average, but I absolutely did not enjoy Man of Steel or BvS at all. I'm honestly stunned to see so many people saying they're good. They're all bad imo and the only good DCEU movies are Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey. People have jumped on you. I'm not trying to. Heres a simple question. How do you feel about the score/music progression between MoS and BvS as compared to Justice League and how that informs what shows up on film? Only asking to see if we are talking about the same things.
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live with fruit posted:I guess this is my problem with BvS. I think it would've gone a lot further if, instead of seeing the Waynes get murdered yet again, the opening was an actual scene of Robin getting murdered. Every Batman loses his parents but not every Batman starts branding people so they can get murdered in prison and it feels like the audience is just expected to go along with this interpretation. I didn't have an issue with this because we saw the dead Robin suit in BvS (a Robin suit spraypainted with Joker stuff all over it basically meant that) and no new Robin with him, and we know every single Batman goes bad without a Robin in every continuity anyway.
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Feb 15, 2021 15:57
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Nodosaur posted:He’s another black and grey CGI monstrosity that’s lost all the Neo-fantasy esque touches of his original design to do a big angry guy in space armor. Theres really only so much you can do with naturally lighting Darkseid grey and blue design in making him live action.
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Feb 16, 2021 00:14
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Smallville is fascinating but it's also unbelievably bad and it runs for 10 seasons of 20+ episodes each, which means that much as I'd love to hear more people's takes on it I can't really ask them to suffer through it. Smallville made Jon Kent the greatest villain in DC. He created Lex, etc. Which is why I got so confused that people were so mad about Costner and his "I dont know" in MoS.
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Feb 16, 2021 00:31
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Schwarzwald posted:The Snydercut is coming out in large part because Zack Snyder has stood up for his rights as a creator against Warner Bros. Moreover, as Ray Fisher has stated, the film does feature non-white characters in significant roles — which Warner Bros cut out, and which the Snydercut would restore. Yeah, Superman, Batman, and kind-of-Wonder Woman (Israeli/Jewish people are seen as white sometimes, and then not in others) are white, but Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman are minorities and The Flash is gay. Compare that to the original Avengers movies where uh....every Avenger is white. Does Nick Fury count as an Avenger? Hell, even Endgame was all white and a raccoon for people that actually did anything for the entire movie until the end wasn't it? I remember all the black people got dusted off the top of my head. Edit: Oh yeah War Machine and one person from Wakanda were alive I guess. I don't recall them actually doing anything.
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Feb 16, 2021 20:17
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I liked the octopus playing the drums in Aquaman. Wish the movie had more of that.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:56
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:The actual worst line of dialogue delivered in a Batman movie is from Batman's parting words to Gordon in Dark Knight Rises, and it's one that could easily have been fixed by cutting out a few words instead of letting it all jumble. Conversely, Nolan understands Batman is an idiot man child and has him deliver lines exactly as you'd expect. Not a mistake he didn't ever have sex till Talia.
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Mar 3, 2021 00:45
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I think everyone in the other ferry did too? I don't remember very well, sorry. It's been a long time. Nah, neither ferry didn't. The non prison one didn't, and if everyone doesn't collectively do it on the prison, even if Zeus took over and made the final call, it proves him wrong. That's why the Joker was like "okay, well, I'll blow them up and keep going." I mean, the entire point of the Joker was that he was a giant liar just starting stuff because he wanted to see the world burn. Theres nothing he did in the movie that wasn't a lie? He lied about not being a planner (opening scene) He lied about his scars He lied about who was at each bomb site He lied about offering himself up in letting Dent kill him ( he was literally where he could stop the gun from shooting) He didn't have an ideology besides letting the world burn.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:24
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Aidan_702 posted:Is there anyone here who loved the Dark Knight trilogy but at one point it sort of just clicked they hated the last two? I don’t have any sort of revelatory message - just something about the films comes together into seeming off and wrong. Most of the characters and actors are good but put together I just do not like what they’re trying to say, or even the action sequences, or whatever message it’s trying to sell. Even so I still like Bale Batman I think TDKR is the best, as it's all about honoring and merging all aspects of the character and giving him a send-off. The story is a mix of 5 classic Batman comic runs, and the movie contains pieces of the Animated Series, Adam West, etc. Blake merges multiple aspects of Robin's into one, so on and so forth. It also has the best score, and the climbing out of a Lazarus Pit scene is definitely the best sequence in all three films. Dark Knight is definitely the weakest, but its also the least comic booky, which is probably why it is. Begins and Rises wear it on their sleeves I'm a way the middle one doesn't.
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Mar 3, 2021 12:59
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I guess that's what happens when Wonder Woman 1984 randomly uses A Beautiful Lie for no reason.
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Mar 3, 2021 18:02
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bushisms.txt posted:It makes sense because after bvs he's no longer lying to himself about what he does. I'm looking forward to Flight coming back. Superman didn't get it in BvS, and I'm almost entirely sure that it was to celebrate him coming back in JL.
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Mar 3, 2021 20:59
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DanteDevils posted:Could it be they’re both bad films? Whats wrong with embracing schlock sometimes?
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Mar 4, 2021 13:06
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I didn't like TDKR cause it seemed kind of explicitly Copaganda to me The cops were poo poo and had to go in a Lazarus Pit and come back out to be healed, like Batman did in the same movie. The cops started off shooting at the protagonist that wasn't shooting at them and were still a remnant of the old crappy Gotham police department. And at the end Robin still said cops suck and threw away his badge. Darko fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 4, 2021 |
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Mar 4, 2021 22:25
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Edit3: Superman getting cucked by Batman is hysterically funny to me. Once again in comments, the same people who otherwise view the DCAU as the height of understanding Batman and Superman are saying that Snyder doesn't get the characters and Lois would never be with Batman, and I'm now convinced that I'm from another universe where I saw these things happen before, unlike this one where they apparently didn't.
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Mar 5, 2021 20:35
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I like how this whole movie is starting to look more and more like his classmates Immortals.
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Mar 13, 2021 22:50
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teagone posted:For the brave few: Sexy advertisements, I'll show up.
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Mar 14, 2021 00:00
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Okay that looks really good. Looks like a full movie of that one pretty scene in Ragnarok.
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Mar 14, 2021 21:12
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Here are the early reactions. The best is "funnier than the theatrical." https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-movie-fan-reactions/
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Mar 14, 2021 22:02
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I wish it was actually worse than Josstice League now because that would make it The Room level bad which is great.
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Mar 14, 2021 23:36
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Aidan_702 posted:Guys I'm excited to watch the super-hero punch people film. If it's marginally better than the original then I suppose it'll all be worth it. Can't wait for it to be grim and maudlin. Mad Max's score has been better than any of Zimmers since that point imo. We are in good hands.
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Mar 15, 2021 15:25
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Mr. Apollo posted:I wonder how all the stars of JL feel about the positive reviews. Or all the reviews saying Fisher is a standout.
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Mar 15, 2021 20:30
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I think I read that review too; was that the one who said if you just played it in real time, it would be 2 hours or was that someone else, haha.
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Mar 15, 2021 21:18
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Golden Bee posted:I don’t feel like people who’ve posted in this thread for years are a non-biased audience and if the movie is good, anymore than you could post in the beer thread on the food forum about the values of teetoling. Reactions after everyone has watched it are ultimately more meaningful than review deconstruction. I don't even really like BvS, the Owl movie, or Sucker Punch; I just think they're varied levels of interesting. Posting in here doesn't mean you necessarily like all of his films, just that we like discussing them.
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Mar 15, 2021 21:48
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Zaphod42 posted:Well, isn't the snyder cut supposed to be 4 hours? Snyder initially wanted it to be multiple parts, yeah. WB just kept having great ideas about how to make more money, and welp.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:08
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Guy A. Person posted:Also speaking of gains you must be willing to discuss your weight lifting routine and general training strategy to post in this thread Anecdote, on the BvS set in the prison, there were a bunch of fake weights lying all over the place and Zack couldn't help but act like he was working out with them. I told him "you got plenty buff enough already, Zack, no need for more gains" and he looked at me incredulous and said "they're fake." I stopped talking to him after that.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:46
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teagone posted:Lmao. This is a great anecdote. I have better ones. I'm currently frightened by Jesse Eisenberg. Might share them in the Discord in the leadup.
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Mar 15, 2021 23:04
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teagone posted:I think all Snyderdome regulars would have tbh. That we're actually getting a 4-hour refined cut is insane. I wanted a Wolverine thing with plastic claws and music from the Nolan movies.
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Mar 15, 2021 23:34
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teagone posted:I hope after ZSJL, that Snyder is done with cape poo poo for a good long while. Now is the time for him to enter the world of manga/anime. Let's see some Goku reboot.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:27
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McCloud posted:https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1269390792499630080?s=20 I'm only going say this here. But as a lowly peon as an extra on some days and stand in on others, Zack still talked to me, let me sit at the table with the regular actors on set, let me literally sit behind him and his cinematographer while they were working, and I'll always appreciate him for that. One of the better bosses I've ever had. Back when Detroit had a film incentive, it was mostly "you're coloring up the scene to make it authentic." He was different.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:32
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Robot Style posted:Does this mean we'd get Michael Shannon as Vegeta? Holy poo poo.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:40
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Schwarzwald posted:Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film. It's beautiful. Watch it.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:59
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Jimbot posted:Been watching Man of Steel again and been posting a few thoughts in the discord. Here are my biting and incisive thoughts of the scenes as they happened: Rewatching it at this moment and the only superhero movie with more heart is Spider-verse.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:18
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Roth posted:The scene begins with a build up of the classic Superman theme, and heroic music as he explains that he's always held himself back and Darkseid is somebody he can really let loose on. I have a hard time buying it's being portrayed as scary. Yeah, Superman beats actual Darkseid by force there, and his comeback is a mix of him combining with Braniac and the "pain matrix" that only popped up right then and there.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:25
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Roth posted:I thought you had meant otherwise, since "Ozymandias was right" is a very common take with Watchmen fans. There is merit to that due to comics supergenius being better than real world supergenius. The entire point is these philosophical points taken to their theoretical extent outside the bounds of human fallacy. Which is why if you take it that way and Manhattan as the arbiter, it leans on the side of utilitarianism in the end. Which is also why HBO sequel is much better than the comics version in saying "nah," just a band aid and it was ego pretending to be pure utilitarianism.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:57
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Mantis42 posted:the hbo show thought the solution to racism was to turn a corrupt cop into a god Nope, it was a black woman that fell into the same trap her gay grandfather did about believing she could utilize people that bought into the system against it. It was only after rejecting the system completely that she got Godhood. Note she was specifically not a cop and found out her cop boss was literal Klan at the point when she got that power. And only because culturally appropriating Manhattan got Jungle Fever. Which is funny.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:13
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AccountSupervisor posted:Well it exists now so may I ask who in the flying son of krypton gives a gently caress anymore. It's literally people that can't say "I made a mistake" holding on to it.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:30
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Snowman_McK posted:Because that's the scene that you chose to demonstrate that Rorschach doesn't have an arc. I'm very much going off your rules. I'd argue he doesn't have an arc outside of his backstory, which is also his issue since he's the only one that can't evolve. That's why he is the one that dies, outside of Comedian, which is just a point to show Ozy is flawed.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:32
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Piell posted:Its literally a response to someone mocking the claim in the first place. Factually, the snyder cut didn't exist It did factually exist which is the problem. Everyone who cares about film knows assembly cuts exist that are shown to studios. This is what was asked for. This existed. The trolls that are attacking the people asking for that obviously know nothing about film and are just going after a strawman.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:43
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CelticPredator posted:Disney did it with Solo. And we’ll never see that footage. And Rogue One!
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brawleh posted:Okay, this is kind of a spoiler, but not really, though still gonna tag it - clips are starting to show up online. It’s another interesting look at how Snyder’s footage was edited and pared down. I hated the Amazon scene in theatrical even though I could tell Snyder shot much of it. Now I understand the problem.
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