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Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Bullbar posted:

I'm not saying JL is good or even average, but I absolutely did not enjoy Man of Steel or BvS at all. I'm honestly stunned to see so many people saying they're good. They're all bad imo and the only good DCEU movies are Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey.

People have jumped on you. I'm not trying to. Heres a simple question.

How do you feel about the score/music progression between MoS and BvS as compared to Justice League and how that informs what shows up on film? Only asking to see if we are talking about the same things.

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Darko
Dec 23, 2004



live with fruit posted:

I guess this is my problem with BvS. I think it would've gone a lot further if, instead of seeing the Waynes get murdered yet again, the opening was an actual scene of Robin getting murdered. Every Batman loses his parents but not every Batman starts branding people so they can get murdered in prison and it feels like the audience is just expected to go along with this interpretation.

I didn't have an issue with this because we saw the dead Robin suit in BvS (a Robin suit spraypainted with Joker stuff all over it basically meant that) and no new Robin with him, and we know every single Batman goes bad without a Robin in every continuity anyway.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Nodosaur posted:

He’s another black and grey CGI monstrosity that’s lost all the Neo-fantasy esque touches of his original design to do a big angry guy in space armor.

Theres really only so much you can do with naturally lighting Darkseid grey and blue design in making him live action.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Smallville is fascinating but it's also unbelievably bad and it runs for 10 seasons of 20+ episodes each, which means that much as I'd love to hear more people's takes on it I can't really ask them to suffer through it.

Smallville made Jon Kent the greatest villain in DC. He created Lex, etc.

Which is why I got so confused that people were so mad about Costner and his "I dont know" in MoS.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Schwarzwald posted:

The Snydercut is coming out in large part because Zack Snyder has stood up for his rights as a creator against Warner Bros. Moreover, as Ray Fisher has stated, the film does feature non-white characters in significant roles — which Warner Bros cut out, and which the Snydercut would restore.

Yeah, Superman, Batman, and kind-of-Wonder Woman (Israeli/Jewish people are seen as white sometimes, and then not in others) are white, but Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman are minorities and The Flash is gay.

Compare that to the original Avengers movies where uh....every Avenger is white. Does Nick Fury count as an Avenger?

Hell, even Endgame was all white and a raccoon for people that actually did anything for the entire movie until the end wasn't it? I remember all the black people got dusted off the top of my head. Edit: Oh yeah War Machine and one person from Wakanda were alive I guess. I don't recall them actually doing anything.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



I liked the octopus playing the drums in Aquaman. Wish the movie had more of that.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

The actual worst line of dialogue delivered in a Batman movie is from Batman's parting words to Gordon in Dark Knight Rises, and it's one that could easily have been fixed by cutting out a few words instead of letting it all jumble.

(Of course, that twitter thread asserts that, conversely, MCU characters talk like real people)

Conversely, Nolan understands Batman is an idiot man child and has him deliver lines exactly as you'd expect. Not a mistake he didn't ever have sex till Talia.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I think everyone in the other ferry did too? I don't remember very well, sorry. It's been a long time.

Nah, neither ferry didn't. The non prison one didn't, and if everyone doesn't collectively do it on the prison, even if Zeus took over and made the final call, it proves him wrong.

That's why the Joker was like "okay, well, I'll blow them up and keep going."

I mean, the entire point of the Joker was that he was a giant liar just starting stuff because he wanted to see the world burn. Theres nothing he did in the movie that wasn't a lie?

He lied about not being a planner (opening scene)

He lied about his scars

He lied about who was at each bomb site

He lied about offering himself up in letting Dent kill him ( he was literally where he could stop the gun from shooting)

He didn't have an ideology besides letting the world burn.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Aidan_702 posted:

Is there anyone here who loved the Dark Knight trilogy but at one point it sort of just clicked they hated the last two? I don’t have any sort of revelatory message - just something about the films comes together into seeming off and wrong. Most of the characters and actors are good but put together I just do not like what they’re trying to say, or even the action sequences, or whatever message it’s trying to sell. Even so I still like Bale Batman

Batman begins is still brilliant however.

I think TDKR is the best, as it's all about honoring and merging all aspects of the character and giving him a send-off. The story is a mix of 5 classic Batman comic runs, and the movie contains pieces of the Animated Series, Adam West, etc. Blake merges multiple aspects of Robin's into one, so on and so forth. It also has the best score, and the climbing out of a Lazarus Pit scene is definitely the best sequence in all three films.

Dark Knight is definitely the weakest, but its also the least comic booky, which is probably why it is. Begins and Rises wear it on their sleeves I'm a way the middle one doesn't.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004




I guess that's what happens when Wonder Woman 1984 randomly uses A Beautiful Lie for no reason.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



bushisms.txt posted:

It makes sense because after bvs he's no longer lying to himself about what he does.

And i just want to hear lex's theme again, probably the greatest theme out of a comic book film since elfman.

I'm looking forward to Flight coming back. Superman didn't get it in BvS, and I'm almost entirely sure that it was to celebrate him coming back in JL.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



DanteDevils posted:

Could it be they’re both bad films?


lol Snyder threads never fail with the hot takes.

TDK > BB > TDKR. Rises is terrible. The movie went full shlock once Bane “took over” and occupied the city. Talia was so obvious from the start. Decent score & cinematography, though.

Whats wrong with embracing schlock sometimes?

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



John Wick of Dogs posted:

I didn't like TDKR cause it seemed kind of explicitly Copaganda to me

The cops were poo poo and had to go in a Lazarus Pit and come back out to be healed, like Batman did in the same movie. The cops started off shooting at the protagonist that wasn't shooting at them and were still a remnant of the old crappy Gotham police department.

And at the end Robin still said cops suck and threw away his badge.

Darko fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 4, 2021

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Edit3: Superman getting cucked by Batman is hysterically funny to me.

Once again in comments, the same people who otherwise view the DCAU as the height of understanding Batman and Superman are saying that Snyder doesn't get the characters and Lois would never be with Batman, and I'm now convinced that I'm from another universe where I saw these things happen before, unlike this one where they apparently didn't.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



I like how this whole movie is starting to look more and more like his classmates Immortals.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



teagone posted:

For the brave few:







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Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Okay that looks really good. Looks like a full movie of that one pretty scene in Ragnarok.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Here are the early reactions. The best is "funnier than the theatrical."

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-movie-fan-reactions/

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



I wish it was actually worse than Josstice League now because that would make it The Room level bad which is great.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Aidan_702 posted:

Guys I'm excited to watch the super-hero punch people film. If it's marginally better than the original then I suppose it'll all be worth it. Can't wait for it to be grim and maudlin.

The only thing I'm disappointed about it Hanz Zimmer isn't on this :(

Mad Max's score has been better than any of Zimmers since that point imo. We are in good hands.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Mr. Apollo posted:

I wonder how all the stars of JL feel about the positive reviews.

Or all the reviews saying Fisher is a standout.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



I think I read that review too; was that the one who said if you just played it in real time, it would be 2 hours or was that someone else, haha.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Golden Bee posted:

I don’t feel like people who’ve posted in this thread for years are a non-biased audience and if the movie is good, anymore than you could post in the beer thread on the food forum about the values of teetoling. Reactions after everyone has watched it are ultimately more meaningful than review deconstruction.

I really hope they spend at least 40 seconds of Alfred explaining tea to wonder woman tho, that sounds wonderful

I don't even really like BvS, the Owl movie, or Sucker Punch; I just think they're varied levels of interesting. Posting in here doesn't mean you necessarily like all of his films, just that we like discussing them.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Zaphod42 posted:

Well, isn't the snyder cut supposed to be 4 hours?


Thanks lol.

At that point JLA almost looks like it should have been a 2-parter like Infinity War. Whedon was probably just trying to squeeze everything into 2 hours, plus trying to add his comedy schtick which is why DC hired him, and ultimately there just wasn't room for all the dumb ideas to fit into a theatrical release.

Snyder initially wanted it to be multiple parts, yeah. WB just kept having great ideas about how to make more money, and welp.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Guy A. Person posted:

Also speaking of gains you must be willing to discuss your weight lifting routine and general training strategy to post in this thread

Anecdote, on the BvS set in the prison, there were a bunch of fake weights lying all over the place and Zack couldn't help but act like he was working out with them. I told him "you got plenty buff enough already, Zack, no need for more gains" and he looked at me incredulous and said "they're fake." I stopped talking to him after that.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



teagone posted:

Lmao. This is a great anecdote.

I have better ones. I'm currently frightened by Jesse Eisenberg. Might share them in the Discord in the leadup.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



teagone posted:

I think all Snyderdome regulars would have tbh. That we're actually getting a 4-hour refined cut is insane.

I wanted a Wolverine thing with plastic claws and music from the Nolan movies.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



teagone posted:

I hope after ZSJL, that Snyder is done with cape poo poo for a good long while. Now is the time for him to enter the world of manga/anime.

Let's see some Goku reboot.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004




I'm only going say this here. But as a lowly peon as an extra on some days and stand in on others, Zack still talked to me, let me sit at the table with the regular actors on set, let me literally sit behind him and his cinematographer while they were working, and I'll always appreciate him for that. One of the better bosses I've ever had.

Back when Detroit had a film incentive, it was mostly "you're coloring up the scene to make it authentic." He was different.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Robot Style posted:

Does this mean we'd get Michael Shannon as Vegeta?

Holy poo poo.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Schwarzwald posted:

Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film.

It's beautiful. Watch it.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Jimbot posted:

Been watching Man of Steel again and been posting a few thoughts in the discord. Here are my biting and incisive thoughts of the scenes as they happened:




Riveting commentary, I know. But this film is still really amazing and one day I'll effort post the things I didn't like about it. Which isn't a lot because I'm a basic person but things I'm not huge on are some of the dialogue and the smash-cut to a fishing boat from his ship land is still a really jarring transition. I'll probably have more comments and gripes.

Rewatching it at this moment and the only superhero movie with more heart is Spider-verse.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Roth posted:

The scene begins with a build up of the classic Superman theme, and heroic music as he explains that he's always held himself back and Darkseid is somebody he can really let loose on. I have a hard time buying it's being portrayed as scary.

Yeah, Superman beats actual Darkseid by force there, and his comeback is a mix of him combining with Braniac and the "pain matrix" that only popped up right then and there.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Roth posted:

I thought you had meant otherwise, since "Ozymandias was right" is a very common take with Watchmen fans.

There is merit to that due to comics supergenius being better than real world supergenius. The entire point is these philosophical points taken to their theoretical extent outside the bounds of human fallacy. Which is why if you take it that way and Manhattan as the arbiter, it leans on the side of utilitarianism in the end.

Which is also why HBO sequel is much better than the comics version in saying "nah," just a band aid and it was ego pretending to be pure utilitarianism.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Mantis42 posted:

the hbo show thought the solution to racism was to turn a corrupt cop into a god

Nope, it was a black woman that fell into the same trap her gay grandfather did about believing she could utilize people that bought into the system against it. It was only after rejecting the system completely that she got Godhood. Note she was specifically not a cop and found out her cop boss was literal Klan at the point when she got that power. And only because culturally appropriating Manhattan got Jungle Fever. Which is funny.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



AccountSupervisor posted:

Well it exists now so may I ask who in the flying son of krypton gives a gently caress anymore.

This isnt even meant to be at you, just in general, that entire debate just seems utterly petty and unbelievably childish now that were here, majority positive reviews out and just awaiting official release.

It's literally people that can't say "I made a mistake" holding on to it.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Snowman_McK posted:

Because that's the scene that you chose to demonstrate that Rorschach doesn't have an arc. I'm very much going off your rules.

I'd argue he doesn't have an arc outside of his backstory, which is also his issue since he's the only one that can't evolve. That's why he is the one that dies, outside of Comedian, which is just a point to show Ozy is flawed.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Piell posted:

Its literally a response to someone mocking the claim in the first place. Factually, the snyder cut didn't exist

As far as the movie itself i expect it to be decently good but overly long

It did factually exist which is the problem. Everyone who cares about film knows assembly cuts exist that are shown to studios. This is what was asked for. This existed.

The trolls that are attacking the people asking for that obviously know nothing about film and are just going after a strawman.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



CelticPredator posted:

Disney did it with Solo. And we’ll never see that footage.

And Rogue One!

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Darko
Dec 23, 2004



brawleh posted:

Okay, this is kind of a spoiler, but not really, though still gonna tag it - clips are starting to show up online. It’s another interesting look at how Snyder’s footage was edited and pared down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opr3LqCjHPU

https://youtu.be/YwLAmlrkWyY?t=166

Just in terms of the clearer continuity in terms of Hippolyta chasing after Steppenwolf and the mother box through the sequence, rather than just disappearing and reappearing.


I hated the Amazon scene in theatrical even though I could tell Snyder shot much of it. Now I understand the problem.

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