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Mormon Star Wars
Aug 13, 2005
It's a minotaur race...

Timeless Appeal posted:

I think both MoS and BvS do have clear moments of objectivist world view. In Pa Kent questioning if Clark should have potentially let his classmates die although that comes with the caveat that Pa is pretty ashamed of the suggestion. Ma Kent's claim that Clark does not owe the world anything is the more direct example. What makes these moments objectivist is that they question an inherent sense of duty to others.

Does Superman accept those objectivists viewpoints and gently caress off to Mars leaving the humans to die, or does he reject those viewpoints and decide that his powers give him a responsibility to help people? Seems like that would be a very important piece of information that would make "are these movies about how helping people is morally wrong" an easy question to answer!

Edit: I think a lot of people don't realize how heavy his background in Christian Science is (he mentioned this in some interviews about justice league - he doesn't view himself as christ-like or a "Christian in hollywood" but he is in love with thematic christian science). A lot of these themes that don't make sense if you are looking at objectivism do make sense if you are looking at them as sacred themes. Ma and Pa Kent are setting him up to ask if the cup can be passed from him, and, of course, it could - he has the power to stop it, but he doesn't: him drinking from it anyways is what makes him Superman.

It reminds me of the article from AV club where the author was mystified at why an objectivists like Snyder would risk his career to support Ray Fisher when it goes against his own self interest. It's what Jesus would do.

Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Apr 8, 2021

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Mormon Star Wars
Aug 13, 2005
It's a minotaur race...

multijoe posted:

Pa Kent isn't esposing objectivism anyway, he's just aware that visibly saving people will 'out' Clarke at a formative stage in his life, isolate him from the rest of humanity and make an exceptionally valuable asset for the government to acquire. He's trying to let him have a normal childhood so he can become a well adjusted person and use his powers judiciously and not develop Homelander Brain

I'm trying to be as generous as possible, but yeah. To be objectivists those viewpoints would need to reject helping people as a moral goal, not qualify it. It's about whether Superman should do something supererogatory At a specific stage, not whether he should help people at all.

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