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https://i.imgur.com/uWySU3a.mp4 Welcome to the official thread for Zack Snyders Justice League, or as it is colloquially known as, The Snyder cut, a film that supposedly doesn't exist. Wait, wasn't this film already released 3 years ago? Is this a directors cut? To put it bluntly..no. This is a whole different film from what was released in 2017. Briefly explained: Due to a family tragedy, Zack stepped away from the production of the JL movie in may 2017. By the time he had stepped down, he had finished shooting and editing, previz was done on the film, along with some of the vfx, and clocking in at 214 minutes. This version is what would later become known as the Snyder Cut. After he stepped down, WB brought in Joss Whedon and Geoff Johns for rewrites and reshoots, and mandated that the film be 2 hours long. They cut Zacks film down to 30 minutes, and then did reshoots to fill out the remaining one and a half hour. They gutted Cyborgs story, removed a ton of cameos from supporting cast, made sweeping changes to the story, andthey also removed the score by Junkie XL and replaced it with Danny Elfmans reheated leftovers. It bombed, financially and critically. Fans hated it, and despite persistent articles from media journalists that claimed that the cut didn't exist (and if it existed, WB would never release it, and aside from a few cut scenes it was still the same film as the theatrical version) and being dismissed as overzealous fans in denial, they started petitioning for Zacks version to be released. The fans raised not only awareness for the cut, but also 500 000$ for the charity organisation AFSP (American Foundation for Suicide Prevention). It all culminated during an evening in november when fans got the #ReleasetheSnyderCut tag trending, and were joined in by Gal Gadot, Ray Fisher, Ben Affleck and Zack Snyder himself. The next day, Zack got a call from WB asking what he needed to make it happen and gave Zack a carte blanche. Zack took the opportunity to put back some scenes that he originally had cut out to bring the runtime down, and also brought back the cast to shoot 2 additional scenes that are about 4 minutes long. These additions bring the runtime up to 4 hours, and they decided to name it Zack Snyders Justice League, to differentiate it from the theatrical version in 2017. We're getting about 3 and a half hours, or the equivalent of 2 full films worth of unseen footage with ZSJL. That's why I said that this is not a directors cut of the 2017 version, that was more a Whedon/Johns film than a Snyder film, because it had only a tenth of Zacks original footage in it. If anything Zack Snyders JL is the directors cut of the Snyder Cut. As it happens, the timing to release ZSJL was also a big boon for the VFX people working at WB. Due to the pandemic, there was basically nothing else coming down the pipeline for these workers. The Snyder cut made sure they had work to do, and quite probably kept them employed during a time when a lot of other studios were downsizing. That's the TL DR. I'm leaving a ton of stuff out of this already bizarre story, like how the fans pulled off one of the most unlikely and successful fan campaigns ever, the absurd and borderline hostile response from entertainment journalists , the allegations Ray Fisher brought up of racism and abuse of the cast by Joss Whedon and Geoff Johns on the set during their reshoots. If anyone is interested, i'm sure there's a few people here that can go into more detail, but this is dragging on long enough as is! Anyway, enjoy this aggressive meme Edit: https://twitter.com/snydercut/status/1362778980554846210?s=20 EDIT: For those living in the UK, it will be available on Sky Cinema https://twitter.com/kryptonscodex/status/1369339201221705736?s=20 McCloud fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Mar 9, 2021 |
# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 15:21 |
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Eararaldor posted:So this is streaming on HBO Max, but is there still any news on how people from the EU can watch it? There is! https://pressroom.warnermedia.com/us/media-release/zack-snyders-justice-league-premiere-march-18-hbo-max quote:The company also announced the first wave of International launches for ZACK SNYDER’S JUSTICE LEAGUE. Concurrent with the premiere on HBO Max in the U.S., the DC film will be available exclusively on HBO services in Europe across the Nordics*, Central Europe**, Spain, and Portugal as well as on the HBO GO service in Asia***. In Latin America the title will premiere exclusively on HBO Max when the service launches in the region later this year. Details on additional international release dates and plans will be announced as soon as they are available. They haven't quite hashed out the UK or some parts of Europe yet, but I do know an announcement about UK is coming up soon. Also I think it'll be available on google plus for renting.
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 15:51 |
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Eararaldor posted:Ah..... Because I’m in the Uk and not heard anything yet I wouldn't worry, they're not gonna leave out the biggest market in Europe
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 15:57 |
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https://twitter.com/snydercut/status/1360971287472996357?s=20 Trailer came out early
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 16:21 |
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The Knightmare scene works as both a look into Bruce's psyche and how he's afraid of being an impotent messiah and of aliens destroying earth, as well as a vision of what's to come. It's both a dream and a prophecy. That's a neat thing about it, it's not just either/or.
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 20:39 |
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https://twitter.com/jurneesmollett/status/1360992546042703874?s=20
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 20:58 |
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Farg posted:ehhh ok that's less silly than I was hoping. one day someone will have fun with comic books Boy do I have a cinematic universe for you!
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2021 21:12 |
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I think we all know that when people complain about these movies not being fun, what is actually being said is that they're unhappy that these films aren't power fantasies that make them feel good. It's why there's so much focus on Superman not smiling and being "dour", they don't feel reassured that he's having a good time! They want Superman as the warm father figure that they can depend on to save the day, and a Batman that brutalizes and cripples criminals, but in a heart of gold kind of way, ya know It's honestly baffling how there's this weird expectation that every superhero movie needs to be FUN and drip in self effacing irony. Doubly so considering Josstice League was exactly that kind of movie, and that flopped.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 00:07 |
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live with fruit posted:Why does Bruce Wayne still dress up as Batman in a post-apocalyptic wasteland? It seems like there would be no one left to protect his identity from, or to inspire. Bruce is the mask, Batman is the real Bruce wayne etc etc
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 00:08 |
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Also not for nothing, but if you didn't find the jar of piss funny, I dunno what to tell you.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 00:14 |
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ImpAtom posted:The films are still power fantasies though? Like through and through. Batman in particular will never escape being a power fantasy and even if BvS gives him the Space Racism angle they also give him tons of scenes showing how cool and awesome he is. Superman is still plenty power fantasy, it's just the more angsty "why don't people see" kind of power fantasy. And Wonder Woman basically exists to swoop in with a kickin' rad theme and kick the poo poo out of a monster and look neat doing it. Saying Snyders Superman is empowering is certainly a strange take, unless one finds it empowering to constantly be questioned, belittled or demonized by Society. He's constantly second guessing himself, unsure of how to best go about helping people who have legitimate reasons to be scared shitless of him. Even when he uses his powers, arguably what the power fantasy about Superman centers around, it comes off as almost horrifying and scary, it's more akin to a natural disaster than anything else. Batman is portrayed as a violent sociopath vigilante that prowls on the underclass and commits extrajudicial violence while the cops look the other way, and he's deranged enough that he now outright plans to commit premeditated murder. Yeah, he looks cool while he kicks a dude into a grenade he's still portrayed unsympathetically for large portions of the film. Him being a broken person is very much not part of a power fantasy, kickass action sequence not withstanding. Like, the "fantasy" of Batman is that of a super ninja with a moral code who has tons of cool toys and can "Disable you 25 ways, 2 are lethal, 4 really hurt" and then cripple a dude, but will never kill, because he's a good guy, honest! Him killing is voiding the fantasy, because that's the one figleaf people have of him being a hero, and you take that away and there's no hero left, just a bully. And that's where I think the problem is for a lot of people. Ultimately a lot of these folks watch these movies for the fuzzy feel good feelings, and both BvS and MoS very specifically don't give the audience that. They're not interested in seeing "angsty Superman", they want the confident Smiling version that saves kittens stuck in trees. Instead these films gives them space 9/11 and shows their heroes as undecisive or fallen seeking redemption, and that's not going to be in everybodies wheelhouse. I also disagree with your assertion that the MCU is about "Normal people" who obtain great power. There's nothing normal about a billionaire, let alone one that can invent an infinite power source in a cave, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS, or being a literal god of thunder, and Captain America was specifically chosen because he wasn't normal. There's nothing "normal" there. And Black Panther is a king of a futuristic nation with technology centuries ahead of anyone else. Hell, even the Hulk is now a team player who has no issues controlling his anger (unless a mcguffin fucks him over). Like, maybe hawkeye and Widow would be considered normal, but they didn't do anything interesting with them so eh You are right about WW though.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 01:10 |
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ImpAtom posted:Have you ever heard of The X-Men? Being an outsider who is rejected by society but having the power to ignore that is totally a power fantasy. Even the melodrama and angst that goes with it is part of the fantasy. If it wasn't then nobody would want to be any of the X-Men, even ignoring the fact the majority of them are superpowerful supermodels. There's a big difference between finding some heroes relatable and their actions being a power fantasy. They overlap at times yes, but they are not one and the same. Also key here, is that the X-men use their powers to stand up to their tormenters. The power fantasy isn't "the melodrama and angst", it's standing up to your bullies. The X-men being ostracised is relatable, the X-men using their powers to threaten the President of the United States to "Not gently caress with us" is the fantasy. I never said that Batman killing removes the power fantasy, I said that Batman wasn't a power fantasy because he's portrayed as a lonely depressed, broken and miserable person Punisher can be written as a power fantasy, sure. But if he's written as a horrible monster with little redeeming qualities that gruesomely executes people then I'd argue that no, that particular iteration isn't a power fantasy, it's just a story about him being an rear end in a top hat. If this Batman is a power fantasy I don't think he's a particularly good one. That said, the warehouse scene is clearly meant to be a cool scene, I just don't think it makes up for...well, everything else. Regarding the Leto thing, I do think the simplest explanation is that Snyder either doesn't believe the rumors around Leto or doesn't want to take action unless there's actually someone that steps forward. Perhaps he just doesn't want to fire someone based on rumors
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 02:51 |
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ImpAtom posted:"Superman wasn't trying to kill Batman" is, as I said, not actually relevant to the Batman Beats Superman power fantasy, which almost universally just relies on the fact that Batman can kill Superman. The fight itself is based off the Dark Knight Returns fight where Batman has a power suit fueled by an entire city block, help from Green Arrow, and Superman is not actively trying to kill him and which ends with Batman dying from a heart attack (sort of) which is still held up as the ur "Batman can beat Superman" moment. That sequence is played as Batman brutally and viscerally beating up Jesus, and imo Batman comes off as more of a bully than any kind of savior, which is very much unlike DKR where he's the underdog fighting for freedom or w/e. The context differs a lot between those two iterations. Martman posted:I do think the movie will have to walk a fine line in how it portrays Superman turning evil. I don't think I can really cast judgment on it yet, but I'm very curious if they will be explicit about the Anti-Life Equation, how much we'll actually see him struggling with his decisions, or what. 'Cause if it's just "oopsie Superman got hypnotized" then it would indeed paint a sad picture of just how dangerous he is to the world. The idea is that the death of Lois leaves Superman vulnerable to the ALE, but your latter point is kinda interesting because..well, Superman has kind of a bad trackrecord in the comics with mindcontrol
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 04:01 |
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ImpAtom posted:Batman absolutely comes across as a bully in DKR. Remember that DKR Superman isn't a villain. He's there because Batman has basically declared Gotham his kingdom. This is understandable because the government sucks but Superman isn't there to Take Batman Down if he can avoid it. He doesn't want to fight him at all and tries to reason with him throughout the entire fight. When he hears Bruce's heart start to go he panics and tries to warn him and that is when he gets a crippling beatdown. DKR Superman has willingly become an enforcer of a corrupt US government, he's there because Reagan ordered him to apprehend Batman because he's making the government look bad, and whos actions are framed as trying to take back a city that's been more or less ceded to crime. This is in stark contrast to the BvS Superman who's there to try to talk some god drat sense into this weirdo so they can save his mom and where Batman eventually surrenders because even he realizes how far off the deep end he went.
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# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 05:10 |
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Nodosaur posted:What do you want from me? I dunno, an opinion that isn't terrible?
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 00:49 |
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Let's bring back the purple leggings and miniskirt! That's an enduring character design! -Geniuses on the internet
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 00:51 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i prefer portrayals of Darkseid that lean more towards ostentatious than drab, and more "he's worshiped by the people he oppresses to such a degree that they won't allow themselves to be saved" vs. how this movie seems to be going more for Apokolips as an industrial insect hive with no individuality at all except for the rulers The insect hive thing ties back to Krypton though, and also kind of, to earth, so it kind of makes sense as a thematic throughline. Plus his whole thing is trying to subvert the free will of sentient beings and replace it with his own, the hive mind thing ties neatly into that too.
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 01:06 |
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Barreft posted:I've just never seen such slavish loyalty to one person. The Snyder poo poo just reminds me of Trump/Elon/Roberts idol worship. Like I'm sure there's many out there defending Joss Whedon as well, which is just as weird. Oh please, do go on
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 03:53 |
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DanteDevils posted:Marvel sucks too. The ubiquitousness of toxic comic-book and superhero fandom (media originally for children and adolescents) among presumably grown adults exemplifies a deeply alienated society and culture in which we live. The particular fanaticism of Zack Snyder’s personality cult is only one — albeit disturbing — iteration of this. Snyder’s love of Ayn Rand novels deserves the ridicule it receives as well. quote:We have always created icons in our own image. What we've done is we project ourselves on to him. The fact is, maybe he's not some sort of Devil or Jesus character. Maybe he’s just a guy trying to quote:Well what are we talking about here then?
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 12:07 |
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It's hilarious that the execs were sure they had a super hit on their hands after the Whedon changes and we're shocked when it blew up in their faces.
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# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 16:13 |
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Saw this, found it neat https://twitter.com/spoki83/status/1300010938230284288?s=20
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2021 04:13 |
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Total Meatlove posted:That they built the suit to do that in the second gif because they anticipated the studio interference is such a perfect summation of the entire project in microcosm. It's fascinating, because Zack basically managed to shoot a lot of his stuff on the sly with the intent of having it released in some sort of Ultimate Edition thing after he gave them a heavily edited down theatrical version. One would think he'd have learned to just make a 2 hour film but I guess some people are just stubborn
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2021 13:18 |
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I know there's still some people who think they shot like 2 hours additional footage for The Snyder Cut, so here's a link to dispell that notion https://thedirect.com/article/justice-league-snyder-cut-reshoots-additional-scenes "In a recent appearance on the LightCast Podcast, producer Deborah Snyder revealed that production only shot “literally one scene” for "three days" during the October 2020 additional filming for Zack Snyder’s Justice League. This tacked-on production was later confirmed to have been for a 4-minute scene involving a Knightmare sequence with Ben Affleck's Batman, Jared Leto's Joker, Amber Heard's Mera, Joe Manganiello's Deathstroke, and possibly a few others "
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2021 14:52 |
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https://twitter.com/KaiserNeko/status/1361743051161559040?s=19
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# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 16:06 |
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Timby posted:DURF, that makes sense, my bad for misreading it. (I'm in the hospital and high as a goddamn kite on IV dilaudid, I blame that for my foggy brain.) I hope you're ok my dude.
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 07:48 |
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Update on how to watch Zack Snyders Justice League https://twitter.com/snydercut/status/1362778980554846210?s=20 Updated the OP as well
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# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 17:23 |
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Eararaldor posted:I mean that tells me nothing? I still don’t know how to watch it? Where do you live
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2021 05:22 |
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No word if it Will be available on stream I'm the UK but it will be on VOD of some sort
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2021 18:30 |
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That would be a deep cut. Lmao Zauriel kneels before joker and calls him the messiah. Can you imagine what that would do to the internet?
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2021 22:17 |
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Could I be any more furry?
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 01:57 |
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Lol
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 09:50 |
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I might not buy Ryan as a father but I absolutely believe he's a daddy
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 13:05 |
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Guy Gardner is the worst GL, so I hope not
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 04:12 |
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teagone posted:Yeah, but... buff Jonah Hill. He can play G'nort
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 04:48 |
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It's clearly Batmite
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 06:57 |
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Batflecks rendition of a Superstitious cowardly lot would be something alright https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDtFjg8_PWg
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 10:20 |
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Gatts posted:Thompson. He can be the straight man to Jack Black’s Guy Gardner GL. Oscar Isaac ofc
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2021 21:21 |
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Zack posted this on Vero https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1365375259566878724?s=20 It's a cool little summary of Events So Far
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2021 00:18 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:“The Mother Box Origins” God it looks gorgeous, I love it! Someone already pegged Batmans pose to be similar to San Sebastian Of Milan https://twitter.com/6LO6O6/status/1365728519599308805?s=20
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2021 20:09 |
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https://twitter.com/let_deathstroke/status/1365772563465576448?s=20 https://twitter.com/apilotjones/status/1365748584474419202?s=20 https://twitter.com/apilotjones/status/1365755088774582273?s=20 https://twitter.com/apilotjones/status/1365757414801293312?s=20 McCloud fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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