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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


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Unlucky7 posted:

If I tapped out of Persona 5 just before the Hawaii trip, how lost would I be?

Based on what I've heard, extremely.

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Unlucky7 posted:

To be honest, P5 is a good game, if sort of tiring. And I do have Royal, so I could get back into that one of these days ish, at least to complete the base game plot.

Royal is absolutely worth finishing. Base P5's endgame is really good but Royal's endgame is on another level storywise.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dynasty Warriors style games seem to consistently have their difficulty frontloaded so I'm not too worried.

Also I'm glad that they kept Joker's TrollFace dialogue options

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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This is also the first one I've played where you can't guard.

Also, very early game question: Igor isn't in the Velvet Room and the fact that he isn't there is just being ignored by everyone. Is this because his Japanese VA died and it's that dumb tradition where if a VA dies they also get rid of the character?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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You can practice your moves basically any time you're in a level and I spend a lot of time swinging at air to get a feel for things.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Yeah I think that if you actually just straight up cast an ability it does a lot more shield damage but at least in the first area SP is so limited that it feels like a waste. As it stands the existence of SP in this game is actually a little bit strange to me, since the purpose it serves in an RPG (as a resource to be slowly drained by random encounters that requires careful management) doesn't seem applicable here.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Also, is Shadow Alice the horniest character design we've seen in a Persona game so far?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Gaius Marius posted:

Oh Jesus why'd they name her that, I got real loving scared for a second when I saw that name and horny together.

I hadn't even considered that until you brought it up. Bullet dodged.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Joker being really strong doesn't bother me. It's consistent with the original game that he's supposed to be the one who is good in every situation, with the rest of the party filling niche positions depending on what you're up against.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Happy to see the triumphant return of pancake hallway

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that Strikers confirms that Only the Phantom Thieves themselves have any memory of the confrontation with Yaldabaoth. Even confidants like Sojiro don't seem to remember it.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Yeah just finished the second dungeon and the game feels like its hitting its stride gameplay wise

Also really digging the game thematically so far. The first two Monarchs at least are basically versions of the Phantom Thieves who were similarly victimized and gained the power to change hearts, but without the support structure, making them abuse the power.

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Feb 21, 2021

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The characters treating (third dungeon location) Sapporo like it's some frontier town surrounded by wilderness is the most adorable thing my Canadian eyes have seen in a long time

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Goddamn do Yusuke and Ryuji's VA's have some really great line delivery moments in this game

Good God!

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Unlucky7 posted:

Well, I also heard that going from the Royal ending to Strikers is a little weird, character wise.

You don't need to play through Royal's extra semester but you 110% should because it's some of the best video game writing ever IMO

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Also hot take: this game is actually pretty easy by action game standards even on hard.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I'm guessing the recording of the English voiceover was hampered by Covid

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I'm nearing the end of the game (I think) on hard mode and I pretty much only straight-up use raw persona abilities for either crowd control, interrupting, or an oh poo poo button. I usually bounce in by following up gunshots and take advantage of the fact that an aerial combo will always end with an elemental persona attack if you end it with special, and then I dash away and repeat. Some fights take a while but I've only game-overed to a "protect futaba" sequence or to optional bosses so far.

MorningMoon posted:

I'm still at the "find clues" segment of the second dungeon, but yeah, this escapism rules. If the dub hadn't been delayed and this came out in like April 2020 then it would've combo'd beautifully with Animal Crossing.

P5 Royal is what combod with Animal Crossing

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Base PS4 gets an easy and consistent 60 fps even on visual mode. Anyone with a midrange PC from the past decade should be fine.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dungeon 8 spoilers:

lol Amazon Prime still works in the Qliphoth World :allears:

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Finished the game. Plot impressions:

lol they speedran Vanilla Persona 5 and it's obvious that the writers for P5S and P5R were sharing notes, although it was executed much, much better in P5R in my opinion. Removing time management and compressing everything into one month probably hurt the overall narrative, but obviously this is a spinoff so it wouldn't be realistic to demand as much story meat as P5R. Thankfully P5's characters are so strong that the comparitively thin narrative didn't bother me that much, but if someone came in on this game they wouldn't get the full experience of why P5 is so loving good.

That being said, I enjoyed the gameplay a lot and think that it almost certainly has more replay value than P5R. It will never happen in a million years but I would love to see P5R remade with P5S's combat system.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I've cleared the game on Hard and I can tell you confidently that in most circumstances this is a "you should never not be doing something" action game. If you aren't attacking you should be dodging pretty much constantly and you should always be ready to drop whatever it is you're doing with a dodge in an instant. The game is pretty generous with your ability to cancel things into dodges.

Furthermore, in my experience crowd control should usually take priority over focusing big enemies because the little guys will constantly be trying to gently caress up your movement. As in Persona 5, inflicting status effects is really strong if you can't outright kill things and can be used against bigger enemies as your "gently caress off and wait your turn" option while you go clean up the rabble.

You also need to pay attention to attack types and resistances. If you have a balanced Persona loadout you can easily switch to one that absorbs or nulls the element the enemy is casting with in a pinch and get some free healing and free attacks.

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Feb 25, 2021

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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ApplesandOranges posted:

One nice thing is that at least so far, there's no 'this party is OP'. You want at least one of Morgana/Makoto/Sophie most likely, but otherwise everyone's fairly interchangeable and most of them bring some kinda utility or just nice big chunky damage. Recarm is way more valuable here so Makoto not having it means she's not an auto-include. I think Sophie *generally* beats out Morgana just because she gets Divine Grace, but not to the degree that endgame Makoto outclassed Morgana in vanilla P5.

As an aside, I ran into my first Dire Shadow and whew howdy I barely got to about half of its life bar before deciding 'okay, I've exhausted my resources, this is not worth it'. Roughly what levels are you expected to take those on?

On Hard mode they started to fall for me at about level 54+ with some patience.

Don't be afraid to play lame with Joker's infinite ranged attacks, it's a viable strategy against some of the particularly tanky enemies.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Tae posted:

Is there any real reason to keep the aoe versions of spells, since the basic versions already have a big cast and All-out attack is more common to trigger?

Their range is much bigger so they can be more useful in crowd control. In terms of busting knockdown meters there isn't any difference.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I'm happy to confirm that everyone's favorite SMT mascot, Mara, is in fact in this game as an optional encounter, and has an attack where it obscures your vision by shooting cum onto your screen

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Hilario Baldness posted:

Haru :) : If you kill a pig, that will give you some satisfaction. If you kill all the pigs, that will give you complete satisfaction.

Haru also rented out the entirety of Disneyland for a night for her friends to hang out in

At least having a cop on the team is extremely strategically useful. Haru should lean on her extreme 1%er status more for the team

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Of course New Game+ Joker has an income that would let him rent Disneyland at least once a week

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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BearDrivingTruck posted:

Any advice for Alice? She's whipping my rear end.

That's because of her distorted desires, I recommend changing her heart (unless you're into that)

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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If you've played Persona 5, technicals work exactly the same way in this game.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Welp, finished everything in the first playthrough. Normally in a game like this I'd get going on NG+ Merciless right away but SP management is such a pain that I'm not even going to bother. Glaring flaw in what would otherwise be a great game.

Your level carries over into NG+

Basically everything does. NG+ is "play through the game again at endgame power and everything is balanced for it"

That being said, prepare for an rear end-whooping if you go with Merciless difficulty. Got my first merciless game over in the tutorial lmao

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Mechafunkzilla posted:

I know that, but SP management is even more of a thing in Merciless. So having to use all your skills and buffs and debuffs is great but having to sit through three loading screens at every checkpoint to restore SP, and having bosses that are even bigger HP sponges, doesn't sound like a great time.

I actually haven't been having any SP problems on Merciless so far. Between high level Bond abilities and SP Incenses dropping like candy the game seems to be encouraging me to let loose with SP consumption.

That being said, it helps that I use almost all of my abilities as part of combos now and Siegfried can combo into a free Heat Riser.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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In case anyone was wondering, the base level for enemies on Merciless is 72 and when you collect their masks you collect them at that scaled level, so if you grab Pixie again on Merciless you get a level 72 Pixie.

This explains some of the fusion requirements for high level Personas and fortunately it seems that you do not in fact need to grind low level Personas to their 60's

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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OP should be updated to let goons know that there's a dodge button

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Ugly In The Morning posted:

I like this game when it’s not wasting my time but holy hell it likes to waste my time. Just let me refill my
HP/SP at checkpoints without jumping through two loading screens, god drat!

I'm playing on PS4 so I wasn't sure what the big deal with this complaint was until I saw Switch load times. Yikeseroo.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Morpheus posted:

So I'm at a point near the end of the game where I can leave my current city and the game is telling me a lot of plot is about to occur, so finish things up. To be specific, I'm about to head to Tokyo Tower. Am I going to be locked out of stuff until I beat the game or something? I've only got a request to beat a powerful shadow, so I'm not super concerned, but I'd like to know.

You have two dungeons left. The one you're going to end up in after progressing is short but you will be locked in it until completion and won't be able to shop or go to different dungeons. After completing that, you will enter the final dungeon, where you will still be able to go to the hideout and shop, go to different dungeons, and complete requests, but you will no longer be able to move around on foot outside of dungeons.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Lucifer can combo into free Gigantomachia, Blazing Hell, and Morning Star :allears:

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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"Better than base Persona 5" seems like a weird comparison given that P5S takes advantage of the fact that the characters and premise have already been set up for it by Persona 5.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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tbh if you have the option you should play Persona 5 Royal first anyway on account of it being insanely cool and good.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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All the dialogue options where you can just straight up say "Yeah we're the Phantom Thieves" in casual conversation will never get old

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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About halfway through my Merciless run and Makoto and Wolf are in my party as frequently as possible because they both have baseline moves that remove opponent buffs or party debuffs. Makoto functions as well as any other healer and Wolf is decent in every situation because he has no weaknesses.

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