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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Welcome... to the Velvet Room.


What is Persona?
Persona is a series of Japanese-style role-playing games developed and published by Atlus. Each game in the Persona series focuses on a group of friends (usually high school students) who fight demons and other supernatural monsters by summoning magical beings called "personas" from within their subconscious mind. Central to the Persona series is the idea that every person has different facets to their identity, different "masks" they wear to face life's challenges, and that each of these masks represents a part of the "real you." For the characters in the games, these facets or masks can manifest as personas, which are associated with the major arcana of the tarot deck and appear as mythological or literary figures, deities, and creatures from urban legends. In every game in the series, new personas are created in a dreamlike place called the Velvet Room, with the help of a long-nosed man named Igor and his various assistants.

The Persona series started as a spin-off of Atlus's Megami Tensei series, focusing on more real-world inspired settings, Jungian psychology, and interpersonal relationships. While the Persona series takes place in a shared universe and features many common elements, each game tells a standalone story, and the games can be played in any order. The main games in the Persona series include:


Persona - PS1 (1996, as Revelations: Persona in North America); PSP (2009)

The game that started it all. Persona takes place in the fictional town of Mikage-cho. A group of high school students play "the Persona game," an urban legend that will supposedly show them their futures. Instead, four of them are struck by lightning and, while unconscious, meet the masked spirit guide Philemon, who tells them of the power of personas. They wisely go to the hospital for a check-up after this, and to visit their classmate, a sickly girl named Maki. While there, an earthquake happens, the hospital transforms into a labyrinth, and demons attack. The characters awaken to the power of their personas, and the adventure begins.

This game has a couple of notable aspects. First, it is the only game in the series with two entirely separate story paths. The first, known as the SEBEC Route, sees the characters travel to an alternate reality version of Mikage-cho, along with an alternate version of Maki, to save the world from being erased by a wish-granting machine. The other, called the Snow Queen Quest, has you staying in the original Mikage-cho and contending with an evil creature from an urban legend called the Snow Queen. The second is the PS1 version's notorious American localization, released under the title Revelations: Persona as Atlus's attempt to start bringing the Megami Tensei series to the west. This version of the game cut the Snow Queen Quest and attempted to Americanize the setting and characters, to... let's go with "wacky" results.

The good news is that the PSP rerelease has a faithful translation and restores the Snow Queen Quest. Play that version.



Persona 2: Innocent Sin - PS1 (1999, Japan-only); PSP (2011)
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment - PS1 (2000); PSP (2012, Japan-only)

Persona 2 is actually two games: Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment. Innocent Sin stars a boy named Tatsuya who attends high school in the fictional seaside city of Sumaru. The adventure begins when, after awakening to the power of their personas, Tatsuya and his friends discover that rumors that become popular around Sumaru have started coming true, including the rumor about a being called the Joker who grants wishes, but who exacts a terrible price. In their quest to stop the Joker, they also recruit two adult allies: a reporter named Maya, and Yukino, one of the party members from the original Persona. Eternal Punishment picks up after the end of Innocent Sin, with Maya taking the central protagonist role and a party of mostly adults for the only time in the series.

Frustratingly, only half of the Persona 2 duology was released in English each time it was released. On the PS1, only the second half, Eternal Punishment, got localized, while on the PSP, only the first half did. That said, this does mean that you can play both halves in English. Persona 2 is a favorite of many long-time Persona fans and is very much worth a play.


Persona 3 - PS2 (2007)
Persona 3 FES - PS2 (2008)
Persona 3 Portable - PSP (2010)

Persona 3 tells the story of a transfer student in the fictional city of Iwatodai who finds himself leading a team of persona-users called SEES (Special Extracurricular Execution Squad). SEES explores a phenomenon called the Dark Hour, a supernatural 25th hour of every day where most people are transmogrified into coffins and only some remain aware and able to fight monsters called shadows that are emerging from a towering labyrinth called Tartarus. SEES seeks to end the Dark Hour and stop shadows from preying on innocents.

In a radical shift for the series, Persona 3 fuses life sim elements with dungeon crawling. Your character lives as a normal high school student during the day, developing relationships with those around him and his teammates, while exploring Tartarus and fighting shadows at night. You follow a daily schedule, choosing how to spend your time each day to increase your social stats, develop relationships (called Social Links, each associated with one of the major arcana and which help in creating new personas), and get enough battle experience to face the monthly boss shadows that appear. This life sim/dungeon crawler fusion has become the model for the Persona series, further iterated on in the future games.

Persona 3 FES is an expanded rerelease of the original that came out a year later and features a playable epilogue chapter called "The Answer." Persona 3 Portable is a remake of the game for the PSP that tells the story in a more visual novel-like style and adds an entirely new route through the story starring a female protagonist.


Persona 4 - PS2 (2008)
Persona 4 Golden - PS Vita (2012), PC (2020)

In Persona 4, your main character is a transfer student from Tokyo who goes to live with his uncle and cousin in the small rural town of Inaba for a year while his parents are overseas for work. Soon after you arrive, you and your new friends try out an urban legend called the Midnight Channel which claims that if you stare at a TV at midnight while it's raining, you'll see your soulmate. Instead, it seems that people who appear on the Midnight Channel soon end up murdered. Not only that, your main character discovers he can use TVs as a portal to enter a strange world inside the TV, where he and his friends gain the power of personas and realize they can save people from being murdered.

Persona 4 follows a similar structure to Persona 3, in which you live as a normal high school student while working with your friends to rescue kidnapping victims and solve the murder case. Persona 4 has a notably lighter tone than previous games in the series, despite being a serious murder mystery at its heart, with a strong focus on the main characters facing their inner demons, learning to accept their flaws, and figuring out their own identities.

Persona 4 Golden is an expanded rerelease that was exclusive to the PS Vita until mid-2020, when it was released on PC. Golden features quality-of-life improvements, new story scenes and places to visit, and an extra dungeon that takes place towards the end of the game.


Persona 5 - PS3/PS4 (2017)
Persona 5 Royal - PS4 (2020)

The latest main series game, Persona 5 begins with the main character being sent to Tokyo on a year-long probation after being arrested for assault (and nobody seems to care that he had a drat good reason). Soon after arriving in Tokyo, the protagonist discovers that an app on his phone allows him to enter the Metaverse, a world of the collective unconscious, where he and his friends meet a talking cat and learn that they can change the hearts of evil people by stealing a symbolic "treasure" from inside a person's personal Palace (a dungeon in the Metaverse created by their strong, twisted desires). They form the Phantom Thieves, a group dedicated to taking down criminals whose power and status lets them act like they're above the law, and begin to make a name for themselves as vigilantes.

Persona 5 continues the life sim/dungeon crawler fusion that started with Persona 3, but features hand-designed dungeons with light stealth and puzzle elements, and an expanded social link system called Confidants, where your social contacts provide benefits that help you infiltrate Palaces or manage your time during the life sim segments.

Persona 5 Royal is an expanded rerelease with more quality of life features and a refined, more tactical combat system, along with new places to visit, new activities, new characters, and an entirely new story arc that takes place after the end of the original game.

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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Want to learn about spinoffs? Harlock's got you covered:

Harlock posted:

Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real Persona money is made.

Persona the fighting game, Persona the dancing game, Persona the dungeon crawling cross-over.

Can't get enough of Kanji or Mitsuru? Don't worry - all of your Persona Pals are back in spin-off form.


Persona 4 Arena - PS3, X360 (2012)
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax - PS3, X360 (2014)

The cast of Persona 3 and 4 are back and ready to fight. This spin-off fighting game, created by Arc System Works, has you pitting your favorite Persona characters against each other in a quite lenghty story-mode for a fighting game. Also there's some new characters that never really caught on. A worthy diversion if you're into the combination of Persona and fighting games. You can opt for Ultimax which includes the original game story + the sequel campaign with additionlal features.


Persona 4 Dancing All Night - PS Vita (2015), PS4 (2018)
Persona 5 Dancing in Starlight - PS Vita, PS4 (2018)
Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight - PS Vita, PS4 (2018)

Do you like the Persona soundtrack? Do you like rhythm games? Would you still like the Persona soundtrack if it were remixed into various musical styles as you press buttons to the beat? Well, do I have a musical trilogy of rhythm games for you. Originally started under Persona 4 Dancing (possibly a canonical sequel to Persona 4 Golden) - this is a chance for the Persona casts to get funky. Fan-service in the best sense of the word if you want some more time with your favorite characters and a toe-tapping experience.



Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth - 3DS (2014)
Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth - 3DS (2018/2019)

The cross-over event that only existed in your FanFiction.Net dreams. Will Chie pet Koromaru? Will Ken and Yosuke get along? Find out in the portable RPG experience that brings the Persona 3 and 4 cast together in an Etyrian Odyssey type dungeon crawler RPG. The recent sequel throws the Persona 5 crew in the mix along with the female protagonist from Persona 3 Portable.


Persona 5 Strikers - PS4, Switch, PC (2021)

Persona 5 Strikers is a little different from the other spinoff games. This time, it's a road trip sequel to Persona 5 in the form of an action-RPG with musou elements. The Phantom Thieves embark on a road trip for summer vacation a few months after the end of Persona 5. It turns out someone else is stealing hearts all across Japan and the cops are blaming the Phantom Thieves, which leads to them getting roped into one more job. While it has a linear story more like an actual Persona game than a musou, it also has action-RPG combat that involves fighting hordes of enemies and switching between characters you control.

Persona 5 Strikers also has its own dedicated thread right over here!

Frequently Asked Questions

I'm new to the series. Where should I start?
While you can start with any game in the series, I'd personally recommend starting with either Persona 4 Golden or Persona 5 Royal. They're both great games with distinct styles, memorable characters, and excellent music, while having enough quality-of-life features that some of the series's more complex elements (like persona fusion and time management) can be eased into.

But any game in the series is a good starting point and you'll find people who started with and were hooked by every one of them. Maybe the only one I wouldn't recommend as a starting point nowadays is the first game, which can be fairly rough as a newcomer, especially with its high random encounter rate. It's still a good game and worth playing (hell, it was the first one I played, and the Revelations: Persona version, at that!), but if you want to start with one of the older, non-life sim games, I'd recommend Persona 2 instead.

Do I have to play all the games in order?
Definitely not! With the exception of the Persona 2 duology, every game tells a completely standalone story. The games all take place in a shared world, but connections between them are almost always minor and never plot-critical. You can jump right in with any game and not be missing anything.

Life Sim Tips and Tricks

As stated before, the mainline Persona games after Persona 3 feature prominent life sim elements where you follow a daily schedule, attend school, and develop relationships with both your party members and other people around the game's setting. The time management and time limits can seem to be stressful at first, so this section has some tips to help you manage it.
  • Don't stress about maxing everything on your first playthrough. While it is always possible to max all of the social links or confidants in a single, fresh playthrough, it is often very demanding and not at all what the game expects you to do. I strongly recommend that you avoid using a guide for your first playthrough and just enjoy your time, hanging out with the characters you care about and enjoy most.
  • Time only passes when you take specific actions. Generally, each day is divided into two blocks for daytime and evening. Only specific actions will cause time to pass, like hanging out with a social link/confidant, working a part-time job, or going into a dungeon. You'll usually be told before you do something that will cause time to pass. There's no real-time time limit and things like traveling around the town or shopping never take actual time.
  • Don't neglect your social stats. Your protagonist has social stats like Knowledge and Charm that have no effect in battle but are important for the life sim side of the game. Many social link/confidant scenes require certain social stat ranks, and sometimes getting a stat high enough can unlock other benefits, like shops or other gameplay features. There are always multiple ways to increase each stat and it's a good idea to try a variety of them.
  • Try to be a good student. Knowledge (or Academics in Persona 3) will let you get good grades on your exams. Placing in the top 10 will give you bonus points towards school-based social links/confidants and a multiplier on point gains with them until the next exam. Studying pays off!
  • Bring a persona with the matching arcana when you hang out with someone. If you have a persona in your current stock that matches the arcana of a social link/confidant you're hanging out with, you'll get bonus rank up points. For example, if you're going to hang out with Yukiko in Persona 4, bringing a Priestess persona will give you extra points.
  • Prioritize your party member's social links/confidants in Persona 4 and 5. Starting in Persona 4, increasing your social link ranks with your party members also grants those party members new abilities, with a major upgrade at rank 10. If you're concerned about time, it's always a good idea to max out your social links/confidants with your party members.
  • In Persona 5, the Fortune and Temperance confidants help a ton with time management. While it can still be tricky, it's easier in Persona 5 to max every confidant specifically because of the perks the Fortune and Temperance confidants can offer. Fortune lets you pay money to boost your social stat gains at rank 1 or your relationship points with any confidant you want once you reach rank 5, while Temperance at rank 10 will let you take extra actions in the evening after you've been dungeon crawling, which you normally can't do. Prioritizing these two can help you maximize your time.
In Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 Royal, there are new social links/confidants that unlock bonus content if you max them out by a certain in-game date. As a spoiler-light tip, if a social link/confidant has a major arcana that falls outside the normal Rider-Waite tarot deck, they are a new social link/confidant that was added for a rerelease and have at least something interesting if you max them out. For more specific recommendations, the social links/confidants that unlock new content or are missable in each rerelease are:
  • Persona 4 Golden - Aeon social link, must be rank 10 before you defeat the boss of the December dungeon. Another new social link, Jester, is also worthwhile and can be missed.
  • Persona 5 Royal - Councillor confidant, must be rank 9 by November 17; there are also two other new confidants, Justice and Faith, that aren't required to unlock the new content but are interesting and can be missed.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?



Oven Wrangler

kanji is my friend

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Arist posted:

kanji is my friend

:hmmyes:

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.




every time Kanji comes on screen he steals the show. top tier character absolutely.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


If you have ideas for FAQs and answers please suggest them. I'm gonna probably update the second post tomorrow morning with info about spinoffs and a "where should I start??" FAQ question.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008



Great OP! :)

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Persona 4 Golden are my favorites.
Turn-based combat is very good and as relevant today as it ever was.
Amanda Winn-Lee voices Yukiko in P4, Haru in Devil Survivor Overclocked and Rei in original NGE. She is always the best.

My initial thoughts.

Spiffster
Oct 6, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...




Lipstick Apathy

No welcome to the velvet room message? :whitewater:
its fine donít change anything

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Spiffster posted:

No welcome to the velvet room message? :whitewater:
its fine donít change anything

ah poo poo that's what's missing!!

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN



Maruki is my favorite

tithin
Nov 14, 2003

[Grandmaster Tactician]



Chie is best girl.

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

tithin posted:

Chie is best girl.

She was until she revealed she wants to be a cop

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Added a couple questions to the FAQ. If you can think of others (or anything to add to the answers there) let me know!

TheLoser
Apr 1, 2011

You make my korokoro go dokidoki.

The velvet room is a reflection of the soul. That's why mine is in the form of this forum thread on a defunct website.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT





That's a good lookin' op.

Spiffster
Oct 6, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...




Lipstick Apathy

A question for the FAQ

Can you max confidants/social links on your first play through?

It is possible to do so but it will be stressful experience for first time players and those without a guide. If you donít get them all on your first time there is always NG+ where you carry over stats and perks that can make your schedule a lot less stressful. As the P5 loading screen says ďtake your timeĒ and just have fun

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

Spiffster posted:

A question for the FAQ

Can you max confidants/social links on your first play through?

It is possible to do so but it will be stressful experience for first time players and those without a guide. If you donít get them all on your first time there is always NG+ where you carry over stats and perks that can make your schedule a lot less stressful. As the P5 loading screen says ďtake your timeĒ and just have fun

At least in P4 and P5 it's pretty important to at least try and max out your party members, they get some great combat benefits.

Spiffster
Oct 6, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...




Lipstick Apathy

lunar detritus posted:

At least in P4 and P5 it's pretty important to at least try and max out your party members, they get some great combat benefits.

Looking at you Ryujiís Royal instakills

Still need to play 4 but I keep getting distracted by other games

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


That's a good one, I'll add that when I'm back at my computer.

It's definitely important to max party members in 4 and 5 and I'd recommend focusing on that if you're feeling overwhelmed. There's also one confidant in Royal that unlocks an entire extra month of the game and a different ending and it isn't immediately obvious that it's that important.

Maybe something like: max your party members and if a character has a non-standard major arcana, try to max that too? With a link to a list of the normal Rider-Waite arcana for reference.

For Persona 5-specific advice, the Fortune and Temperance confidants have very powerful perks that can help a ton with time management.

Harrow fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Feb 21, 2021

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new back.



lunar detritus posted:

At least in P4 and P5 it's pretty important to at least try and max out your party members, they get some great combat benefits.
P5 did a good job of making most of the NPC Confidants also have really good perks, like Takemi, Oda (the arcade kid), and Hifumi (the shogi player) especially also have some good stuff.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN



Maxing the s links without a guide is totally doable without a guide in 4 and 5. 3, uh, good luck.

Just chill out and have fun, these games are good times.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003

[Grandmaster Tactician]



lunar detritus posted:

She was until she revealed she wants to be a cop

Well yeah, nobody's perfect...

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an



It's easier to max out 5's Social Links than 4's because there's more than two SLs that happen at night and half of them aren't tied to school.

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

Maybe mention something about increasing stats? It's pretty easy for someone playing for the first time to completely ignore them. I've seen a couple of let's players go ham working sidejobs because they think money is more important than getting good grades. :v:

lunar detritus fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Feb 21, 2021

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

chill bug



maya is, good

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Maybe a section with life sim tips, then? Don't stress about maxing every social link, recommendations for social links to prioritize, and something about what social stats do and why they matter?

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

timeless Ned Flanders style


Ground floor. I'm pretty new to Persona, got a steelbook copy of 5R last year, but it really hooked me and my wife, absolutely perfect pandemic food. We finished it without unlocking the postgame (because we figured maxing one character, which got us a special message, was enough, but we needed to actually really max a second one), so we'll eventually do NG+ for that and to do all the social links.

In order to not burn out, we instead are playing P4G, thankfully super cheap on PC during a sale so I nabbed it, and it's also really fun. We do have some raised eyebrows at various scenes involving Kanji's sexuality and Naoto's gender identity, but we're willing to write it off as "Yosuke is the worst".

I would say that a "before you play" for each game, especially the recommended ones, might be a good addition to the OP; that's mostly:
- who to max out before which date in each game in order to not lose out on vast amounts of content
- obscure conditions you need to fulfil in order to triggers endings/continue the story
- as has been said, what not to stress out over

I've seen some FAQs that recommend reloading whenever you don't get an extra random stat up for crafting lockpics in P5R, at a like 12% chance, and that's absurd, don't do that.

Spiffster
Oct 6, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...




Lipstick Apathy

ROFL Octopus posted:

Maxing the s links without a guide is totally doable without a guide in 4 and 5. 3, uh, good luck.

Just chill out and have fun, these games are good times.

I did it in 3 but hoooo boy did I cut it close. I was convinced I was gonna miss it. Compared to Royal when I messed up and didnít max out temperance before a certain point and was locked out of advancing them for a bit due to story and school related stuff. Thought that was gonna Kill my max run but I ended up spending the last months just killing time at the shrine and club.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


Simply Simon posted:

I've seen some FAQs that recommend reloading whenever you don't get an extra random stat up for crafting lockpics in P5R, at a like 12% chance, and that's absurd, don't do that.

Yeah this is extremely not necessary in P5R. I think I know the guide you're talking about and it has like a full month and a half of free time at the end.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN



Spiffster posted:

I did it in 3 but hoooo boy did I cut it close. I was convinced I was gonna miss it. Compared to Royal when I messed up and didnít max out temperance before a certain point and was locked out of advancing them for a bit due to story and school related stuff. Thought that was gonna Kill my max run but I ended up spending the last months just killing time at the shrine and club.

Props to you. I hosed up even with a guide but I was happy to at least max Star and get my fave demon Helel.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?


[inevitable ďWhy is the first Persona game titled 3?Ē joke]

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



Am I missing something in P5S or is there no reason to not just leave jails and heal up every time you get the opportunity? It's not like P5 where there's a month timer, right?

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN



Which is superior: Mass Destruction or Wiping All Out?

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

fadam posted:

Am I missing something in P5S or is there no reason to not just leave jails and heal up every time you get the opportunity? It's not like P5 where there's a month timer, right?

At least the first "dungeon" feels like it was balanced around leaving the jail every time you find a checkpoint, everyone goes through their SP like crazy. But yeah, no timer.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?


ROFL Octopus posted:

Which is superior: Mass Destruction or Wiping All Out?
Mass Destruction has the better opening, Wiping All Out has the better chorus.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009





This started playing in my head as soon as i opened this thread.

At the Hollow Forest dungeon now in P4G and hoo boy, the mechanics make this an absolute slog.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


I've only ever maxed all social links in Persona 5 and P5R. I cut it very close in vanilla P5--I didn't realize it would be possible until the last three weeks of the game and I just barely pulled it off. It was easier in P5R since I already knew about how great Chihaya and Kawakami are for time management optimizing.

I've never even tried in P3, it seems insanely daunting.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





I have never maxed all S Links. I forgot in P4 that you miss out on all December if you finish the final dungeon in one day.


anakha posted:

This started playing in my head as soon as i opened this thread.

At the Hollow Forest dungeon now in P4G and hoo boy, the mechanics make this an absolute slog.

On the other hand, it does have the best dungeon theme in the series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHoMvZEHWJo

And also Marie is Best Girl.

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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008



As I mention in the previous thread but whatís the best advice for fighting Shido ?

I have been using Melchizedek but also have Ananta.
Now I was a moron and didnít Max out many of my confidants and donít really have access to other Personas atm as Iím only level 60.

I nearly had Shido beat earlier, but I didnít guard during his last form and he insta-killed me when he charged up. Still, just getting to that point was a 20-30min grind. So the insta-kill was really deflating.

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