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Commander Keene posted:Yukiko's "I have to go now and cry about something else" in P4 was pretty strong too. mastajake posted:All of the rejections in 4 (save Chie, I think) were brutal like Haru's. Kinda surprised you can't just say "I'm already dating someone" though, in either game. It's because they all fall in love with you. You don't start a romance with every girl like in P3 but they pretty much all develop very clear romantic feelings for you which you just have to crush. Yukiko's was so painful to do in my first run. Marie's wasn't any easier in my second run.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:52
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Much like I wish they'd written the "just be friends" choice for Ann as "you have all of us," I wish they'd written that choice for Futaba as "because we're family" instead of "because we're a team." I'd guess the word in Japanese there is "nakama," but whatever that line is in Japanese, the feeling I get from Joker, Sojiro, and Futaba is that they become a family. Incidentally that whole dynamic is maybe my favorite relationship in Persona 5 and dating Futaba would mess the whole thing up and be very weird. She's Joker's geeky little sister and Sojiro is now his real dad.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:55
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I wouldn't know what anybodies rejection scenes looked like because I did the morally correct thing and dated all of them, at once, without telling them. It's gonna be such a poo poo show when they get to talking and realize Yu's slept with half of Inaba.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:57
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Also maybe they should give the protagonist real parents instead of having us think 'wow your parents are butts, sending you away for an entire year'. With P4 it's 'okay, they have work' but with P5 it's literally 'yeah no this is probation, also you won't hear from your folks at all this year because???'. Dojima is at least your uncle, Sojiro is... a family friend? They never really made that clear to my recollection.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:58
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ApplesandOranges posted:Also maybe they should give the protagonist real parents instead of having us think 'wow your parents are butts, sending you away for an entire year'. With P4 it's 'okay, they have work' but with P5 it's literally 'yeah no this is probation, also you won't hear from your folks at all this year because???'. Dojima is at least your uncle, Sojiro is... a family friend? They never really made that clear to my recollection. Sojiro's not even that, I don't think. He's functionally Joker's probation officer and I think the deal is that he heard about Joker's situation from some of his customers who are family friends of Joker's parents and decided to take his case because he was sympathetic. The subtext I always got from Sojiro is that his initial coldness to Joker is as much a defense mechanism for Sojiro as anything. He even lies and tells you he's been paid to take you in--if you check the TV on a certain night for the quiz show, you find out that what Sojiro is doing for Joker is an unpaid volunteer position.
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Feb 24, 2021 03:00
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Harrow posted:Sojiro's not even that, I don't think. He's functionally Joker's probation officer and I think the deal is that he heard about Joker's situation from some of his customers who are family friends of Joker's parents and decided to take his case because he was sympathetic. Sojirowns
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Feb 24, 2021 03:03
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It's really funny to imagine what the whole arc with Futaba's palace must look like from Sojiro's perspective. The delinquent he took in somehow learns about Futaba's existence at the same time as a prosecutor is using her to threaten him into giving up information on Wakaba. This dumb delinquent kid who lives in your shop's attic then gets his dumbass friends together and they are so concerned about this kid they've never met that they break into Sojiro's house to meet her, and then even when told to leave her alone, keep trying to get through. And then, the wildest thing? It works. Before the month is out she's leaving her room, eating Sojiro's curry happily. And then the attic kid and his dumb friends put in a ton of effort to help get Futaba out of her shell and even that works. It's no wonder he warms up to Joker so much after that. The kid's a miracle worker. ROFL Octopus posted:Sojirowns 
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Sojiro is my favorite character in Persona 5 and I don’t think that’s a hot take? He is a Good Man who has done his fair share of gently caress ups and just doesn’t want the kids to make his same mistakes. Like when you first meet him he acts cold and it is initially implied he’s a womanizer but instead it turns out that’s all a front he puts up and instead he spends most of his time caring for Futaba and just being alone. 
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Feb 24, 2021 03:11
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I'll object on the grounds that Joker may be a delinquent and a kid, but he's not dumb and only half of his friends at that point are certified dumbasses. He chugged down gross smoothies just to be smarte- okay maybe he's a little dumb.Solaris 2.0 posted:Sojiro is my favorite character in Persona 5 and I don’t think that’s a hot take? Iwai is also a Good Dude. Honestly for all of Atlus' faults, they do the Good Dad trope pretty well. Even Dojima learns (eventually).
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Feb 24, 2021 03:13
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Yeah Sojiro's my favorite, too. I think everyone loves Sojiro, he's just a really good dude in a realistic and understandable way.ApplesandOranges posted:I'll object on the grounds that Joker may be a delinquent and a kid, but he's not dumb and only half of his friends at that point are certified dumbasses. He chugged down gross smoothies just to be smarte- okay maybe he's a little dumb. That's fair, Ann and Ryuji are the Certified Dumbasses (a term I use with affection, they are lovable dumbasses). Makoto is at least book smart and while Yusuke and Morgana aren't necessarily the brightest bulbs they are, at least, weirdos (and also Sojiro has no idea one of them can talk). Harrow fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 03:14
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'll object on the grounds that Joker may be a delinquent and a kid, but he's not dumb and only half of his friends at that point are certified dumbasses. He chugged down gross smoothies just to be smarte- okay maybe he's a little dumb. Good Moms on the other hand...
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Feb 24, 2021 04:11
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Persona is basically Inverse Fire Emblem where moms are more likely to be dead, whether relevant or not (see: Ken's, Nanako's, Futaba's, etc.)
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Feb 24, 2021 04:23
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One thing I learned from Persona, is that teen boys loooove Yukata. Its the hottest thing they've ever seen
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Feb 24, 2021 04:26
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Gen. Ripper posted:Good Moms on the other hand... Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:One thing I learned from Persona, is that teen boys loooove Yukata. Its the hottest thing they've ever seen It's like seeing a pretty girl in a dress, it doesn't happen everyday.
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Feb 24, 2021 04:27
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Persona 5 should've let Joker and Ryuji join Yusuke in yukata as well.
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Feb 24, 2021 04:34
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Harrow posted:Persona 5 should've let Joker and Ryuji join Yusuke in yukata as well. you should play strikers
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Feb 24, 2021 04:41
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ApplesandOranges posted:On the other hand, she also has no sense of humour. Who doesn't laugh at 'beep boop'? she had no problem capitalizing on "i think i cracked my rear end"
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Feb 24, 2021 04:44
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Gen. Ripper posted:Good Moms on the other hand... Good Moms exist in Persona, they're just all offscreen (except for Kanji's mom.)
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Apropos of absolutely nothing, the funniest thing in any of these games is Troy Baker's pronunciation of the word "ruckus," which pops into my brain once a month and causes me to lose my poo poo every time
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Feb 24, 2021 04:47
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Persona 5 has me exclaiming "Useless?!?" in an offended tone in my head every time I hear the word.
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Gaius Marius posted:Gotta go mainline for that, you got Mem Aleph, Innana, Danu... Don't forget Tiamat. I remember in SJR she explicitly gives you gifts from her womb.
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Harrow posted:Persona 5 should've let Joker and Ryuji join Yusuke in yukata as well. Yeah everyone gets in yukatas in Strikers. It's nice. Strikers is honestly a pleasant surprise in a few ways. Fojar38 posted:Persona 5 has me exclaiming "Useless?!?" in an offended tone in my head every time I hear the word. I can't hear 'For real'? without it sounding like Ryuji now.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:One thing I learned from Persona, is that teen boys loooove Yukata. Its the hottest thing they've ever seen Yukatas are pretty as heck. They're probably one of the best parts of Japanese summer in the before times.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Yeah everyone gets in yukatas in Strikers. It's nice. Strikers is honestly a pleasant surprise in a few ways. Does Joker take off his glasses, it's nice to randomly take off your glasses when you're in a yukata
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Feb 24, 2021 05:52
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Joker is like Dan Ryckert and has worn glasses for so long that his eyes are now ruined without them.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Also maybe they should give the protagonist real parents instead of having us think 'wow your parents are butts, sending you away for an entire year'. With P4 it's 'okay, they have work' but with P5 it's literally 'yeah no this is probation, also you won't hear from your folks at all this year because???'. Dojima is at least your uncle, Sojiro is... a family friend? They never really made that clear to my recollection. It's kind of a goofy thing but it's obviously because the protagonist is a player self-insert character so details like their real family life are left to the imagination and that way players are introduced to their surrogate family at the same time that the protagonist is. Did the P3 protagonist even have parents?
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Item Getter posted:It's kind of a goofy thing but it's obviously because the protagonist is a player self-insert character so details like their real family life are left to the imagination and that way players are introduced to their surrogate family at the same time that the protagonist is. They did, but I believe they died in the same incident that gave them their Death powers.
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Feb 24, 2021 06:22
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P3's parents died in a car crash.
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I've just started playing P3 for the first time (P3P) and while they don't say it outright, at the very beginning when you meet your homeroom teacher for the first time she starts reading your family history and gets to "10 years ago your parents... oh " before apologizing for not having read it properly beforehand. Then later Yukari cements the speculation by commenting how you're similar because she has a dead dad.
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Feb 24, 2021 06:28
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I'm still, perhaps unreasonably, upset that the P5 gang never popped Sojiro and Sae into the entrance of Mementos so they could understand Morgana.
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That is unreasonable. It's a lot funnier to imagine Sojiro trying and failing to figure out what Morgana wants.
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Namnesor posted:I'm still, perhaps unreasonably, upset that the P5 gang never popped Sojiro and Sae into the entrance of Mementos so they could understand Morgana. As far as I'm concerned Morgana is a bit of a dick so the gang was just sparing the adults
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Only Sae deserves to suffer hearing Morgana.
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At least Morgana could pass as a cat, I wonder how Yosuke sold Teddie staying with his family without giving any details away.
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By that point, Teddie was just this weird blond kid who liked wearing a bear costume. I mean, the idea that Yosuke just showed up one day after school with this kid and said, "hey, he followed me home, can I keep him?" and his parents just kinda rolled with it is weird, but at least he didn't bring home a haunted bear suit that walked and talked by itself.
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"Hey I found this annoying white guy wandering around Junes and he needs a place to stay" which reminds me of Junpei's reaction in P4A to Teddie: 
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Feb 24, 2021 15:02
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Harrow posted:"Hey I found this annoying white guy wandering around Junes and he needs a place to stay" 
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A Bystander posted:Watching some TAS videos of RPGs these days got me thinking, has there been anything interesting for any of these games like that? Or even just what a speedrun of them would be like and how it would work? - they don't do any random encounters whatsoever. Only Golden Hands are ever fought to level, and just the exact amount they need - they manipulate RNG to guarantee three-hand-encounters - they also manipulate RNG to get skill changes into Megido (and later various other skills) to actually kill the hands, except for the first bunch they kill with attack items - because of no randoms, there's no drops, so they can't sell stuff, so there's no armor upgrades whatsoever until they manipulate a chest in the final dungeon/buy one off the shopping channel super lategame - party members are there for one buff before they die, or to soak up single-target attacks so MC doesn't eat it - MC does everything, usually to the tune of "gets attack up buff/charge/heaviest attack you can manipulate at that point" - zero time for social links except Marie (Golden Ending run) and the required ones - Fusion route, therefore, is complicated (see also: no randoms! No Personas except for Izanagi and the first, mandatory fight drop one). They need a bunch of money to keep resummoning old ones, and have a bigass chart to know exactly what they need when. Except for ones that happen to be in the mandatory level up arcana, they will be on MC's level, so there's some grinding hand segments in between to get just the right level for the next persona on the list - all the money is gotten from just doing Translation job over and over. That and Knowledge (quicker evening event to study at some days, and the money route is likewise tightly planned so you don't need the translate cash every day) are the only social stats ever raises. Expression get max because they translate so much lol Other than that, it's knowing possible dungeon generation layouts, kiting encounters well, rounding corners efficiently, staying on your big big list of what to do when, and being able to plan around when something inevitably goes wrong (boss hits the wrong person late in the fight, can I recover/do I reload, I hosed up my fusion route two hours ago, can I beat this fight without Mediarama???, etc.). The runners I watched were surprisingly chill as far as speedrunners go, they constantly said stuff like "oh we used to do Kanji's palace on this day exactly, because the old PS2 version route said so, then we thought: wait in Golden you can do shopping channel also on Mondays??? so after literal years of following the route blindly, we changed that..." or "I don't actually know what tending to the garden does, I just follow this big list of stuff to do mang". Fojar38 posted:she had no problem capitalizing on "i think i cracked my rear end"
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