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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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Bloody posted:

Mars has basically the worst case atmosphere of enough to have to worry about but not enough to really take advantage of

Venus, by contrast, has an excellent aerobraking atmosphere. Apart from all of the acid.

the coolest thing about putting floating colonies on venus is how earthlike - admittedly, barring the whole acid cloud thing - it is. towards the top of the clouds, pressure and temperature are earth normal. thanks to the atmospheric density, human breathable gases are lifting gases with about half the power of helium on earth. since the pressure is equalized, any tears or rips in a colony dome wouldn't be immediately catastrophic - you'd just have gases slowly diffusing out. and humans outside of protected spaces wouldn't need to wear pressure suits, just an environmental suit to protect against acid.

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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there’s an esa satellite doing a very close flyby of venus this fall in a gravity assist on its way to mercury; it’ll be interesting to see if they can pick up anything.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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Phanatic posted:

Venus has no magnetosphere. You can mitigate that with buildings on Mars.

And about 40% Earth gravity is considerable. We don’t have a good handle on how much gravity you need to avoid turning people into invalids, other than “somewhere between zero and 1 G.)

moon base will help with that, hopefully.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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could also use the poles of mercury as a settlement site. more than enough ice for humans, plenty of solar energy to snag while we hide out in the craters and caves

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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DropsySufferer posted:

So you're telling me there isn't going to be a Venus colony for a while :(

I played surviving Mars recently a fun game where you terraform Mars. Now I'm imaging terraforming Venus would a 100 times harder.How would the greenhouse gasses be dealt with to begin with.

they wouldn’t we would live in cloud cities

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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spacetoaster posted:

I think it's mostly carbon dioxide. Some kind of moss, or lichen that would breath the atmosphere taking the carbon to make organic compounds and releasing the oxygen might work?

It'd take centuries though.

yeah it's like 97% CO2. the big problem with using biologics as i understand it is finding a way to get or make water for them. there's practically none.

personally i'm pro going and stealing enceladus and just throwing it at venus

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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Arglebargle III posted:

Iirc the clouds on Venus are 25% water

no, i don't think so. venus has like 20ppm water. it's lost all but like a tenth of a percent of any water it had. the clouds are mostly just sulfuric acid.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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low key sex master posted:

Why don't we just out a giant tube in the Venusian atmosphere and let all the clouds get sucked into space so we can see what it's really like on that planet

pretty difficult. you'd be better off hitting it with 2000 700km asteroids or installing a bunch of mass drivers on balloons

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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Wipfmetz posted:

can we do this with a really big club instead?

i think this is a job for mega maid

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