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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


I love Award Season. I think the Oscars are some corny poo poo that lasts too long. Hate the Golden Globes. I find the Independent Spirit Awards charming, I suppose... but I loving love the season itself.

The Academy Award Nominees in particular provide a quick list for a bunch of movies to get caught up on even if it's always incomplete. For the last five years or so, a friend of mine and I compare notes as we try to watch as many of the nominees as possible. I usually get a head start on it in November, casting a wide net of what could be nominated. Often I end up watching some gems that never quite make it.

Hell, my two favorite movies this year have no chance. (Portrait of a Lady on Fire is technically 2019 and there's little love for I'm Thinking of Ending Things).

I love going with my wife to the IFC Center or BAM to see their twee little introductions. I adore watching the Shorts Collections. I live for this poo poo. I absolutely miss MoviePass and going to the movies every single day, trying to see all the International nominees.

I think it's also an interesting experience. At the end of every year, you start seeing the lists of the year's best films come out, but it's often a bit of an odd experience because you can't actually see many of those movies. Many Award Season films end up with limited releases that even coastal elites like myself can't end up seeing them. This ends up especially true for International and Documentary. I can never really have a true personal best of life until February when I've actually seen all of the poo poo.

This year has definitely been a strange year as Covid-19 has meant less movie going experiences. I watched the little IFC Center opening the other day out of pure emptiness of going to a theater.

What is this thread for?

This thread is a sort of catchall for not just talking about the awards for 2020 films, but more broadly talking about some of the greatest films of 2020. Award Shows are a bit of a tricky thing. The Oscars are incredibly problematic as we'll explore in a bit, and the Globes border on being a straight up joke. Still, sometimes a movie like Parasite that people in the Horror thread were literally begging people to see for a wider release catches fire. And even outside the stuff that gets nominated, it can be fun to discuss the gems that got lost in the shuffle.

In short, award shows are really more of a platform to discuss some of the best movies of the previous year. Especially when it comes to shorts, International films, and documentaries it can also mean exploring movies people wouldn't otherwise see.

I'd say this thread in general should be:

-- Inside baseball predictions of what is going to get nominated/win

-- Inside baseball predictions of who is going to be left out of the in memoriams

-- Just a place to discuss some of the best movies from 2020

-- Discussing what you want to win or be nominated

-- Critiques of the awards and organizations themselves

-- TVIV style posting during the actual awards.

What is this thread not for?

I'd like to ask the following stuff to be avoided:

Shallow Critiques of the Awards-- There is a ton of poo poo to critique, but please be specific and meaningful. We all know that the show is a Hollywood fellating itself. Unless you want to take aim at a specific element of course go ahead. I just feel like too much "The Oscars are poo poo" can bog things down

Smugly denouncing the possibility of something winning-- Everybody knows that there is nothing that makes Nomadland scientifically better or worse than Judas and the Black Messiah. Getting in a hissy fit because First Cow doesn't get nominated or ranting because Tom Hanks beats Riz Ahmed is the right of all film nerds. It's all fruitless and silly, And this is a safe space for all that poo poo. But smugly going, "It's not like THAT was ever going to win" is silly when Parasite exists my dude. Just let people nerd out.

Also, just let stuff shine here that doesn't get a place to shine elsewhere. I think there are legit arguments for Birds of Prey and Possessor to be part of discussion when we talk about best pictures from last year, but those films have homes to shine. Often the sort of cinema we'll be discussing isn't really able to sustain a thread of its own. So, a half page derail about Driveways would be nice to let happen.

I'm obviously not a mod though so these are just kind suggestions...

So, let’s talk about some of the awards we have coming up…

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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 78th Golden Globes aka You Got Your Emmys in my Academy Awards

When: February 28th 8 PM/ET

What channel? NBC

Who’s hosting? Tina Fey and Amy Pohler

And the nominees are…

Best Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
"Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
"Hamilton"
"Music"
"Palm Springs"
"The Prom"

Best Motion Picture -- Drama
"The Father"
"Mank"
"Nomadland"
"Promising Young Woman"
"The Trial of the Chicago 7"

Best Motion Picture -- Foreign Language
"Another Round," Denmark
"La Llorona," Guatamala/France
"The Life Ahead," Italy
"Minari," USA
"Two of Us," France/USA

Best Screenplay -- Motion Picture
Emerald Fennell - "Promising Young Woman"
Jack Fincher - "Mank"
Aaron Sorkin - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Florian Zeller, Christopher Hampton - "The Father"
Chloe Zhao - "Nomadland"

Best Original Song -- Motion Picture
"Fight for You" - "Judas and the Black Messiah"
"Hear My Voice" - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
"IO SI (Seen)" - "The Life Ahead"
"Speak Now" - "One Night in Miami"
"Tigers & Tweed" - "The United States vs. Billie Holiday"

Best Actor in a Supporting Role in Any Motion Picture
Sacha Baron Cohen - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Daniel Kaluuya - "Judas and the Black Messiah"
Jared Leto - "The Little Things"
Bill Murray - "On the Rocks"
Leslie Odom, Jr. - "One Night in Miami"

Best Actress in a Supporting Role in Any Motion Picture
Glenn Close - "Hillbilly Elegy"
Olivia Colman - "The Father"
Jodie Foster - "The Mauritanian"
Amanda Seyfried - "Mank"
Helena Zengel - "News of the World"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
Sacha Baron Cohen - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
James Corden - "The Prom"
Lin-Manuel Miranda - "Hamilton"
Dev Patel - "The Personal History of David Copperfield"
Andy Samberg - "Palm Springs"

Best Motion Picture -- Animated
"The Croods: A New Age"
"Onward"
"Over the Moon"
"Soul"
"Wolfwalkers"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Drama
Chadwick Boseman, - "Ma Rainey's Black Bottom"
Riz Ahmed - "The Sound of Metal"
Anthony Hopkins - "The Father"
Gary Oldman - "Mank"
Tahar Rahim - "The Mauritanian"

Best Actress in a Motion Picture -- Drama
Viola Davis - "Ma Rainey's Black Bottom"
Andra Day - "The United States vs. Billie Holiday"
Vanessa Kirby - "Pieces of a Woman"
Frances McDormand - "Nomadland"
Carey Mulligan - "Promising Young Woman

[/b]Best Actress in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy[/b]
Maria Bakalova - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
Kate Hudson - "Music"
Michelle Pfeiffer - "French Exit"
Rosamund Pike - "I Care A Lot"
Anya Taylor-Joy - "Emma"

Best Actor in a Motion Picture -- Musical or Comedy
Sacha Baron Cohen - "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"
James Corden - "The Prom"
Lin-Manuel Miranda - "Hamilton"
Dev Patel - "The Personal History of David Copperfield"
Andy Samberg - "Palm Springs"
Best Director -- Motion Picture
David Fincher - "Mank"
Regina King - "One Night in Miami"
Aaron Sorkin - "The Trial of the Chicago 7"
Chloe Zhao - "Nomadland"
Emerald Fennell - "Promising Young Woman"

Best Original Score
"The Midnight Sky"
"Tenet"
"News of the World"
"Mank"

What should I be mad about?

-- Minari might end up being a lock for Best Picture at the Oscars, but a story that takes place in the United States that is about very American things is a Foreign Language film because it well, features a language other than English prominently. Honestly, there is room to debate if we should still have International/Foreign entries and how they should be treated. This is a clear example of the letter of the law not matching the spirit.

-- Music sort of highlights the broader issue of segregating Comedies and Musicals into their weird ghetto. It’s often led to issues in which movies that are dramas slide in there to scrape up an easy award, and often the pickings of truly great movies are slim. This year ended up with two recorded versions of live stage performances. On top of just not being all that great Music has a lot of controversy around Sia not casting a neurologically atypical person.

Honestly, it’s a criticism that was a bit of a softball to acknowledge and move on, but that’s ugh… not what happened with Sia.

-- Speaking of scraping the bottom of the barrel for the nonsensical Comedy/Musical Category, The Prom got middling reviews at best with James Corden picking up a nomination while some other queer performances were ignored. Corden is also a corny rear end straight dude and is being extra critiqued for his role perpetuating stereotypes.

But also along with Music, American Utopia, and Hamilton, you don’t need to prove that it’s not stupid to have a Musical Category, Golden Globes. There were other funny movies to nominate. You didn’t need to nominate loving The Prom.

-- Tina Fey had a bit of a low-grade reckoning as a lot of her past work was re-evaluated as being racist and then she was literally in a movie where she voiced a Black character. Like I enjoyed Soul, but the idea of a white person embodying a Black person’s body was literally the metaphor Get Out used for racism itself.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 27, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 36th Annual Independent Spirit Awards aka The Aubrey Plaza Memorial Ceremony

When: April 22nd, 8 PM/ET

What channel? IFC

Who’s hosting? Melissa Villaseñor

And the nominees are…

BEST FEATURE…
(Award given to the producer)
FIRST COW
Producers: Neil Kopp, Vincent Savino, Anish Savjani
MA RAINEY’S BLACK BOTTOM
Producers: Todd Black, Denzel Washington, Dany Wolf
MINARI
Producers: Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner, Christina Oh
NEVER RARELY SOMETIMES ALWAYS
Producers: Sara Murphy, Adele Romanski
NOMADLAND
Producers: Mollye Asher, Dan Janvey, Frances McDormand, Peter Spears, Chloé Zhao

BEST FIRST FEATURE
(Award given to director and producer)
I CARRY YOU WITH ME
Director/Producer: Heidi Ewing
Producers: Edher Campos, Mynette Louie, Gabriela Maire
THE FORTY-YEAR-OLD VERSION
Director/Producer: Radha Blank
Producers: Inuka Bacote-Capiga, Jordan Fudge, Rishi Rajani, Jennifer Semler, Lena Waithe
MISS JUNETEENTH
Director: Channing Godfrey Peoples
Producers: Toby Halbrooks, Tim Headington, Jeanie Igoe, James M. Johnston, Theresa Steele Page, Neil Creque Williams
NINE DAYS
Director: Edson Oda
Producers: Jason Michael Berman, Mette-Marie Kongsved, Matthew Lindner, Laura Tunstall, Datari Turner
SOUND OF METAL
Director: Darius Marder
Producers: Bill Benz, Kathy Benz, Bert Hamelinck, Sacha Ben Harroche

BEST DIRECTOR
Lee Isaac Chung, Minari
Emerald Fennell, Promising Young Woman
Eliza Hittman, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Kelly Reichardt, First Cow
Chloé Zhao, Nomadland

BEST SCREENPLAY
Lee Isaac Chung, Minari
Emerald Fennell, Promising Young Woman
Eliza Hittman, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Mike Makowsky, Bad Education
Alice Wu, The Half of It

BEST FIRST SCREENPLAY
Kitty Green, The Assistant
Noah Hutton, Lapsis
Channing Godfrey Peoples, Miss Juneteenth
Andy Siara, Palm Springs
James Sweeney, Straight Up

JOHN CASSAVETES AWARD
(Given to the best feature made for under $500,000; Award given to the writer, director and producer)
THE KILLING OF TWO LOVERS
Writer/Director/Producer: Robert Machoian
Producers: Scott Christopherson, Clayne Crawford
LA LEYENDA NEGRA
Writer/Director: Patricia Vidal Delgado
Producers: Alicia Herder, Marcel Perez
LINGUA FRANCA
Writer/Director/Producer: Isabel Sandoval
Producers: Darlene Catly Malimas, Jhett Tolentino, Carlo Velayo
RESIDUE
Writer/Director: Merawi Gerima
SAINT FRANCES
Director/Producer: Alex Thompson
Writer: Kelly O’Sullivan
Producers: James Choi, Pierce Cravens, Ian Keiser, Eddie Linker, Raphael Nash, Roger Welp

BEST MALE LEAD
Riz Ahmed, Sound of Metal
Chadwick Boseman, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Adarsh Gourav, The White Tiger
Rob Morgan, Bull
Steven Yeun, Minari

BEST FEMALE LEAD
Nicole Beharie, Miss Juneteenth
Viola Davis, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Sidney Flanigan, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Julia Garner, The Assistant
Frances McDormand, Nomadland
Carey Mulligan, Promising Young Woman

BEST SUPPORTING MALE
Colman Domingo, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Orion Lee, First Cow
Paul Raci, Sound of Metal
Glynn Turman, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Benedict Wong, Nine Days

BEST SUPPORTING FEMALE
Alexis Chikaeze, Miss Juneteenth
Yeri Han, Minari
Valerie Mahaffey, French Exit
Talia Ryder, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Yuh-jung Youn, Minari

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Jay Keitel, She Dies Tomorrow
Shabier Kirchner, Bull
Michael Latham, The Assistant
Hélène Louvart, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Joshua James Richards, Nomadland

BEST EDITING
Andy Canny, The Invisible Man
Scott Cummings, Never Rarely Sometimes Always
Merawi Gerima, Residue
Enat Sidi, I Carry You With Me
Chloé Zhao, Nomadland

BEST INTERNATIONAL FILM
(Award given to the director)
BACURAU (Brazil)
Director: Juliano Dornelles, Kleber Mendonça Filho
THE DISCIPLE (India)
Director: Chaitanya Tamahane
NIGHT OF THE KINGS (Ivory Coast)
Director: Philippe Lacôte
PREPARATIONS TO BE TOGETHER FOR AN UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME (Hungary)
Director: Lili Horvát
QUO VADIS, AIDA? (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
Director: Jasmila Žbanić

BEST DOCUMENTARY
(Award given to the director and producer)
COLLECTIVE
Director/Producer: Alexander Nanau
Producers: Hanka Kastelicová, Bernard Michaux, Bianca Oana
CRIP CAMP
Directors/Producers: Jim LeBrecht, Nicole Newnham
Producer: Sara Bolder
DICK JOHNSON IS DEAD
Director/Producer: Kirsten Johnson
Producers: Katy Chevigny, Marilyn Ness
THE MOLE AGENT
Director: Maite Alberdi
Producer: Marcela Santibáñez
TIME
Director/Producer: Garrett Bradley
Producers: Lauren Domino, Kellen Quinn

ROBERT ALTMAN AWARD
(Given to one film’s director, casting director and ensemble cast)
ONE NIGHT IN MIAMI
Director: Regina King
Casting Directors: Kimberly R. Hardin
Ensemble Cast: Kingsley Ben-Adir, Eli Goree, Aldis Hodge, Leslie Odom Jr.

PRODUCERS AWARD
(The Producers Award honors emerging producers who, despite highly limited resources, demonstrate the creativity, tenacity and vision required to produce quality independent films)
Lucas Joaquin
Gerry Kim
Kara Durrett

SOMEONE TO WATCH AWARD
(The Someone to Watch Award recognizes a talented filmmaker of singular vision who has not yet received appropriate recognition)
DAVID MIDELL
Director of The Killing of Kenneth Chamberlain
EKWA MSANGI
Director of Farewell Amor
ANNIE SILVERSTEIN
Director of Bull

TRUER THAN FICTION AWARD
(The 26th Truer Than Fiction Award is presented to an emerging director of non-fiction features who has not yet received significant recognition)
CECILIA ALDARONDO
Director of Landfall
ELEGANCE BRATTON
Director of Pier Kids
ELIZABETH LO
Director of Stray

What should I be mad about?

--Aubrey Plaza isn’t hosting anymore? Honestly, the Spirit Awards are fantastic and have great categories. There are still blindspots like speaking of Plaza, how come no love to Black Bear? The Oscars is like Monopoly and the Spirit Awards are like a cool modern board game that actually cares about balance.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 27, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The 93rd Academy Awards aka An Irrelevant Pageant But Also The One That Matters The Most

When: April 25th, 8 PM/ET

What channel? ABC

Who’s hosting? The Combined Inflated Sense of Self Worth of Hollywood itself or I dunno, maybe Colin Jost or somebody. Who the gently caress knows. Been no host for a bit.

And the nominees are…

Best Picture
“The Father” (David Parfitt, Jean-Louis Livi and Philippe Carcassonne, producers)
“Judas and the Black Messiah” (Shaka King, Charles D. King and Ryan Coogler, producers)
“Mank” (Ceán Chaffin, Eric Roth and Douglas Urbanski, producers)
“Minari” (Christina Oh, producer)
“Nomadland” (Frances McDormand, Peter Spears, Mollye Asher, Dan Janvey and Chloé Zhao, producers)
“Promising Young Woman” (Ben Browning, Ashley Fox, Emerald Fennell and Josey McNamara, producers)
“Sound of Metal” (Bert Hamelinck and Sacha Ben Harroche, producers)
“The Trial of the Chicago 7” (Marc Platt and Stuart Besser, producers)

Best Director
Thomas Vinterberg (“Another Round”)
David Fincher (“Mank”)
Lee Isaac Chung (“Minari”)
Chloé Zhao (“Nomadland”)
Emerald Fennell (“Promising Young Woman”)

Best Actor in a Leading Role
Riz Ahmed (“Sound of Metal”)
Chadwick Boseman (“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom”)
Anthony Hopkins (“The Father”)
Gary Oldman (“Mank”)
Steven Yeun (“Minari”)

Best Actress in a Leading Role
Viola Davis (“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom”)
Andra Day (“The United States v. Billie Holiday”)
Vanessa Kirby (“Pieces of a Woman”)
Frances McDormand (“Nomadland”)
Carey Mulligan (“Promising Young Woman”)

Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Sacha Baron Cohen (“The Trial of the Chicago 7”)
Daniel Kaluuya (“Judas and the Black Messiah”)
Leslie Odom Jr. (“One Night in Miami”)
Paul Raci (“Sound of Metal”)
Lakeith Stanfield (“Judas and the Black Messiah”)

Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Maria Bakalova (‘Borat Subsequent Moviefilm”)
Glenn Close (“Hillbilly Elegy”)
Olivia Colman (“The Father”)
Amanda Seyfried (“Mank”)
Yuh-jung Youn (“Minari”)

Best Animated Feature Film
“Onward” (Pixar)
“Over the Moon” (Netflix)
“A Shaun the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon” (Netflix)
“Soul” (Pixar)
“Wolfwalkers” (Apple TV Plus/GKIDS)

Best Adapted Screenplay
“Borat Subsequent Moviefilm.” Screenplay by Sacha Baron Cohen, Anthony Hines, Dan Swimer, Peter Baynham, Erica Rivinoja, Dan Mazer, Jena Friedman, Lee Kern; Story by Sacha Baron Cohen, Anthony Hines, Dan Swimer, Nina Pedrad
“The Father,” Christopher Hampton and Florian Zeller
“Nomadland,” Chloé Zhao
“One Night in Miami,” Kemp Powers
“The White Tiger,” Ramin Bahrani

Best Original Screenplay
“Judas and the Black Messiah.” Screenplay by Will Berson, Shaka King; Story by Will Berson, Shaka King, Kenny Lucas, Keith Lucas
“Minari,” Lee Isaac Chung
“Promising Young Woman,” Emerald Fennell
“Sound of Metal.” Screenplay by Darius Marder, Abraham Marder; Story by Darius Marder, Derek Cianfrance
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Aaron Sorkin

Best Original Song
“Fight for You,” (“Judas and the Black Messiah”). Music by H.E.R. and Dernst Emile II; Lyric by H.E.R. and Tiara Thomas
“Hear My Voice,” (“The Trial of the Chicago 7”). Music by Daniel Pemberton; Lyric by Daniel Pemberton and Celeste Waite
“Húsavík,” (“Eurovision Song Contest”). Music and Lyric by Savan Kotecha, Fat Max Gsus and Rickard Göransson
“Io Si (Seen),” (“The Life Ahead”). Music by Diane Warren; Lyric by Diane Warren and Laura Pausini
“Speak Now,” (“One Night in Miami”). Music and Lyric by Leslie Odom, Jr. and Sam Ashworth

Best Original Score
“Da 5 Bloods,” Terence Blanchard
“Mank,” Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross
“Minari,” Emile Mosseri
“News of the World,” James Newton Howard
“Soul,” Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, Jon Batiste

Best Sound
“Greyhound,” Warren Shaw, Michael Minkler, Beau Borders and David Wyman
“Mank,” Ren Klyce, Jeremy Molod, David Parker, Nathan Nance and Drew Kunin
“News of the World,” Oliver Tarney, Mike Prestwood Smith, William Miller and John Pritchett
“Soul,” Ren Klyce, Coya Elliott and David Parker
“Sound of Metal,” Nicolas Becker, Jaime Baksht, Michelle Couttolenc, Carlos Cortés and Phillip Bladh

Best Costume Design
“Emma,” Alexandra Byrne
“Mank,” Trish Summerville
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom,” Ann Roth
“Mulan,” Bina Daigeler
“Pinocchio,” Massimo Cantini Parrini

Best Animated Short Film
“Burrow” (Disney Plus/Pixar)
“Genius Loci” (Kazak Productions)
“If Anything Happens I Love You” (Netflix)
“Opera” (Beasts and Natives Alike)
“Yes-People” (CAOZ hf. Hólamói)

Best Live-Action Short Film
“Feeling Through”
“The Letter Room”
“The Present”
“Two Distant Strangers”
“White Eye”

Best Cinematography
“Judas and the Black Messiah,” Sean Bobbitt
“Mank,” Erik Messerschmidt
“News of the World,” Dariusz Wolski
“Nomadland,” Joshua James Richards
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Phedon Papamichael

Best Documentary Feature
“Collective,” Alexander Nanau and Bianca Oana
“Crip Camp,” Nicole Newnham, Jim LeBrecht and Sara Bolder
“The Mole Agent,” Maite Alberdi and Marcela Santibáñez
“My Octopus Teacher,” Pippa Ehrlich, James Reed and Craig Foster
“Time,” Garrett Bradley, Lauren Domino and Kellen Quinn

Best Documentary Short Subject
“Colette,” Anthony Giacchino and Alice Doyard
“A Concerto Is a Conversation,” Ben Proudfoot and Kris Bowers
“Do Not Split,” Anders Hammer and Charlotte Cook
“Hunger Ward,” Skye Fitzgerald and Michael Scheuerman
“A Love Song for Latasha,” Sophia Nahli Allison and Janice Duncan

Best Film Editing
“The Father,” Yorgos Lamprinos
“Nomadland,” Chloé Zhao
“Promising Young Woman,” Frédéric Thoraval
“Sound of Metal,” Mikkel E.G. Nielsen
“The Trial of the Chicago 7,” Alan Baumgarten

Best International Feature Film
“Another Round” (Denmark)
“Better Days” (Hong Kong)
“Collective” (Romania)
“The Man Who Sold His Skin” (Tunisia)
“Quo Vadis, Aida?”(Bosnia and Herzegovina)

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
“Emma,” Marese Langan, Laura Allen, Claudia Stolze
“Hillbilly Elegy,” Eryn Krueger Mekash, Patricia Dehaney, Matthew Mungle
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom,” Sergio Lopez-Rivera, Mia Neal, Jamika Wilson
“Mank,” Kimberley Spiteri, Gigi Williams, Colleen LaBaff
“Pinocchio,” Mark Coulier, Dalia Colli, Francesco Pegoretti

Best Production Design
“The Father.” Production Design: Peter Francis; Set Decoration: Cathy Featherstone
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom.” Production Design: Mark Ricker; Set Decoration: Karen O’Hara and Diana Stoughton
“Mank.” Production Design: Donald Graham Burt; Set Decoration: Jan Pascale
“News of the World.” Production Design: David Crank; Set Decoration: Elizabeth Keenan
“Tenet.” Production Design: Nathan Crowley; Set Decoration: Kathy Lucas

Best Visual Effects
“Love and Monsters,” Matt Sloan, Genevieve Camilleri, Matt Everitt and Brian Cox
“The Midnight Sky,” Matthew Kasmir, Christopher Lawrence, Max Solomon and David Watkins
“Mulan,” Sean Faden, Anders Langlands, Seth Maury and Steve Ingram
“The One and Only Ivan,” Nick Davis, Greg Fisher, Ben Jones and Santiago Colomo Martinez
“Tenet,” Andrew Jackson, David Lee, Andrew Lockley and Scott Fisher


What should I be mad about?

-- The Oscars isn’t just the latest major ceremony, but it’s also nominating the latest as you can see. Because of COVID, they’ve expanded eligibility for films released between Jan. 1, 2020 and Feb. 28, 2021.

-- Sound Mixing and Editing are one category now

-- It is easier to be eligible despite never being in a theater. The general rule of thumb is if the film was intended to be shown in theaters. We’ll see where we are in a post-Covid rule, but we are getting into the murky “If it feels like a movie movie” waters for what actually counts.

-- All Academy members can now vote on Foriegn films

-- Best Music has a higher threshold for originality in the score

-- There is some debate over if Small Ax will be eligible, but it’s most likely going to go for Emmys.

-- You might be familiar with some of the changes the Academy is making to be not as so white. They have opened up their membership and voters in some good ways, more importantly they have new standards that encourage more diverse nominees which should hopefully have a feedback loop and mean more diverse films in general. Unfortunately those standards won’t go into effect for a few years.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Mar 16, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
[Reserved if there any other awards people want to explore more deeply]

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Psycho Goreman for best picture

commielingus
Jan 23, 2021

by Athanatos
Mank is the most gorgeous black and white film I’ve ever seen, and it deserves every nomination and win it receives. Fincher never disappoints.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Mank is undeniably well made and impressive in how well it actually looks like an old movie. But in a lot of ways, It's like a Fincher version of recent Oscar bait. A biopic that somewhat celebrates Hollywood, features modern political parallels, and has Gary Oldman disappear into a role. It's still a weird movie in that it creates a false narrative about the real Conservative Mank while somewhat throwing Wells under the bus despite the fact that he really was the driving creative force for the script and had better politics than real Mank.

Once again, it's a fine movie. I'm only going to be mad if Oldman wins. Boseman is a shoe-in, but Ahmed also deserves the award over him.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
Hell yeah award season! To be honest I've been a bit disconnected from it this year. Nomadland has been a lock from the jump and the extended season hasn't helped. On the bright side it's given me more time to actually watch most of the films.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Shneak posted:

Hell yeah award season! To be honest I've been a bit disconnected from it this year. Nomadland has been a lock from the jump and the extended season hasn't helped. On the bright side it's given me more time to actually watch most of the films.
I haven't seen it yet, but when it comes to the Oscars, I wonder if Minari might get in there in some kind of split especially since Yeun is probably going to get boxed out of of Best Actor consideration. Zhao is almost certainly a lock for Best Director, so I could see Nomadland getting Best Director and Best Actress, but Feature going to Minari. Excited to actually watch it though.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

DanteDevils posted:

Mank is the most gorgeous black and white film I’ve ever seen, and it deserves every nomination and win it receives. Fincher never disappoints.

Son of the Mank

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
BAFTA Nominations are out

Razzie Nominations are out Leave Lauren Lapkus alone

Oscars in a train station

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Oscar Nominations are out!

Really glad the love Sound of Metal is getting. Bummer about Regina King though.

Lister
Apr 23, 2004

Very surprised that First Cow was snubbed everywhere outside of the spirit awards. It seemed to have a lot of indie hype. Maybe coming out right before the pandemic went into full swing took everyone's mind off of it.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Reichardt's style is also just not massively appealing. She'll be remembered as one of the greats and get an honorary Oscar in 30 years but her films are just too challenging for a group of people who just nominated The Trial of the Chicago 7 for Best Picture.

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



The First Cow snubs bode poorly for the Snyder Cut's chances at next year's Academy Awards.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Oscar Nominations are out!

Really glad the love Sound of Metal is getting. Bummer about Regina King though.

I agree, I was very impressed at how King handled a stage adaptation. I'm quite pleased to see Kemp Powers nominated for Screenplay, though. That was the main thing I was checking for.

commielingus
Jan 23, 2021

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Timeless Appeal posted:

Oscar Nominations are out!

Really glad the love Sound of Metal is getting. Bummer about Regina King though.

Maybe Fincher receives his long overdue Best Director win?

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

I gotta say, only thing that's really bugging me this year is the fact that movies released well into 2021 qualify while stuff that actually came out in 2020 got snubbed. I dunno, the Grammys have this weird timeframe too and it just annoys the hell outta me.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

commielingus posted:

Maybe Fincher receives his long overdue Best Director win?

No

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

The Oscars loves to award movies that are about making movies, so Mank will clean up this year.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

It's Chloe Zhao's to lose. Mank might walk away with some craft awards, perhaps Cinematography (though still Nomadland's the frontrunner) but don't expect any of the major statues to go to Mank. The movie is fine but it's an also ran in this race, this year's The Irishman.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

commielingus posted:

Maybe Fincher receives his long overdue Best Director win?

He was 100% robbed for The Social Network (which also deserved Best Picture) but I don't think Mank is going to get it for him.

Personally I'm rooting for Glenn Close to win both the Oscar and the Razzie for Hillbilly Elegy, a movie I have no interest in watching.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

i'm probably never gonna watch Mank but I do hope some reviewer out there ran with the headline "Mank Stank!"

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

lol at the optics on this
https://twitter.com/MsBrooke_Lynn/status/1371489283383693314

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
ahah what the gently caress is that poo poo. I'm glad I stopped caring about the academy awards years ago.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Cacator posted:

He was 100% robbed for The Social Network (which also deserved Best Picture) but I don't think Mank is going to get it for him.

If Fincher deserved a statue for anything it was Zodiac.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

If Fincher deserved a statue for anything it was Zodiac.

Absolutely, but the Academy in its great wisdom did not deem it worthy of a single nomination. I guess it would have gone up against No Country and There Will Be Blood if it had which would've been an interesting race.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Oscar Nominations are out!

Really glad the love Sound of Metal is getting. Bummer about Regina King though.

Exact same sentiment. Didn't expect the Academy to give Sound of Metal the most love it's gotten all season.

I've still yet to see Judas, The Father, and Mank.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Cacator posted:

Absolutely, but the Academy in its great wisdom did not deem it worthy of a single nomination. I guess it would have gone up against No Country and There Will Be Blood if it had which would've been an interesting race.

2007 was The Most insane year for film.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Honestly, it's bullshit to call either of them Supporting Actor. They're both the leads as the title indicates. The producers were clearly trying to slide Kaluuya into scoop up a Best Supporting as opposed to sending him off to the Best Lead category that is a non-starter. But it's a loving weird call.

Ironically, I think you could make a much stronger argument for Chadwick Boseman as supporting in Ma Rainey which is more authentically an ensemble story.

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
Woah, Thomas Vinterberg out of nowhere.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Best Actor is a bit stacked, but a little surprised Mads didn't end up with a Nomination after the Vinterberg nomination.

I am sure The Father is good, but I'm also not sure it's an actual movie.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

2007 was The Most insane year for film.

It was fine. A few all timers. Any given year of the 60s or 70s was wilder.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

TrixRabbi posted:

It was fine. A few all timers. Any given year of the 60s or 70s was wilder.

I'd say it stands out, on top of the three already mentioned you've got Stuck, Hot Fuzz, Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, Gone Baby Gone, Eastern Promises, Death Proof, Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Savages (any year that has two top ten Philip Seymour Hoffman roles bears mention), and of course, Spider-Man 3.

It stands out a bit more because the oughts were kind of a wasteland (I dunno if I could put together a decent top ten for 2005, for example), but still, banger year.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

I mean it's got a solid top 10, I'd say the best of 2007 is 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days. But I dunno, I find the early oughts way more fascinating. 2001-2003 is some weird rear end times as you watch the transition from pre to post 9/11 occur and cinema is struggling to shift gears.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

TrixRabbi posted:

I mean it's got a solid top 10, I'd say the best of 2007 is 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days. But I dunno, I find the early oughts way more fascinating. 2001-2003 is some weird rear end times as you watch the transition from pre to post 9/11 occur and cinema is struggling to shift gears.

Yeah that might just be a difference in taste then, the early oughts are certainly weird but they're one of my least favorite eras for film (particularly American film, there were for sure a lot of great movies coming out of Japan and South Korea then). The good films from that era stand out because to me they were like a drink of water in the desert.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

2007 status as a Great year for movies would be much better if the Great movie people talk about was Om Shanti Om, and not There Will Blood/No Country for Old Men/Zodiac. Of which of the three only the Fincher really stands up.


Meanwhile in the year 1960, even when you exclude the Canon Greats like Psycho, The Apartment, La Avventura, La Dolce Vita and Breathless, you still have an insane roster of incredible films.

Kurosawa released The Bad Sleep Well in 1960, often considered a minor Kurosawa, and honestly that movie is better than anything released in 2007.(with the exception of Om Shanti Om)

Like Ozu made Late Autumn, and Naruse made 3 of his best films in 1960 like it was nothing. You also have Oshima with Cruel Story of Youth/The Sun's Burial/Night and Fog over Japan, Shinoda's Youth in Fury. And this is just Japan.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
You lost me when you said There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men don't hold up.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Basebf555 posted:

You lost me when you said There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men don't hold up.

they definitely both hold up better than L'Avventura

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Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

They're fine, but also the directors made far better stuff. Before in the case of the Coens, and after in PTA case.


Uncle Boogeyman posted:

they definitely both hold up better than L'Avventura

Big wrongo.

Edit: Also while I do like TWBB I do sort of agree with this classic Neil Bahadur letterboxd review these days

quote:

Pointless film, but Daniel Day-Lewis gives an astonishing performance as Waluigi

Electronico6 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 16, 2021

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