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Snowman_McK posted:Jan's in a weird spot where he has both clearly turned a corner as a fighter and is a lot better, but is also doing a lot better in an absolutely terrible division. The Reyes win was impressive as hell, but otherwise his new run is two middleweights, one of whom is completely shot, the other of which is old, and Corey Anderson. He's clearly good, but it's also very hard to extrapolate whether he got substantially better or if the stars simply aligned for him, or a bit of both. He was bad at first but he had a pretty massive turn around and change in his style.
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BlindSite posted:He was bad at first but he had a pretty massive turn around and change in his style. Oh, he's definitely improved. But how much is still sort of hard to gauge. It's like how Cub Swanson did really improve from 2008 to 2014, but also he fought people that weren't Aldo, Mendes and Lamas. beep by grandpa posted:https://twitter.com/bisping/status/1366907738672959490 It's weird how much I've started liking Bisping since he retired. Also, god Luke is so handsome. He's like a 90s sitcom dad. Please stop getting punched, Luke. Remember a couple of years ago, when Jack Slack said that he could easily name 10 fighters better than Mighty Mouse, and Luke Rockhold was one of them? We were all so high on him for a bit.
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Snowman_McK posted:It's weird how much I've started liking Bisping since he retired. Snowman_McK posted:Please stop getting punched, Luke.
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CommonShore posted:Holy poo poo there has to be a new thread title in here I just can't decide what Thanksgiving Easter egg hunt 2002
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  It’s the UFC 259 BreakdownHey if you don’t think this looks like a good card, you’re in the wrong thread because that means you don’t like mma. This is a triple championship card (one of two in UFC history I think? Idk I can’t remember). And if you think about it, there are 5 belts on the card, even of only 3 of them are on the line. That’s kinda neat. One of the champ fights is super competitive, one is lopsided but oddly compelling, and one is a technical dork’s wet dream so shall we? Plus as of today we have 15 fights, which means that we’ll probably have a good 11 come Saturday  As a consequence, I’m going to actually break down each section of the card in a different post, because this is three pages in Word by the time I’m through the title fights – there is a lot of fights and a lot to say! Main Card Light Heavyweight Championship Jan Blachowicz © (+207) vs Israel Adesanya (-222) Middleweight champion Israel Adesanya makes his bid at becoming a simultaneous two-division champion, and Polish Power Blachowicz makes his first title defense after upsetting Dominic Reyes to win the vacant title. This is a cool fight from a technical dork’s perspective because there are so many interesting factors. Blachowicz entered the UFC with a grappler’s resume, and looked for some time like an also-ran contender, but he has shifted his threat towards heavy hands in recent years and put those hands on enough dudes to become the first champion of what may be the post Jon Jones era. He’s on an 8-1 run right now, including decisive, scary KOs of Corey Anderson and Luke Rockhold. He’s an extremely powerful fighter and his game is built around that. Adesanya on the other hand is a slick technician kickboxer who last time out beat the snot out of challenger Paulo Costa in September. He’s undefeated as a professional mixed martial artist, and 9-0 in the UFC. What are these factors? Well the first one I see is Jan’s size advantage. Jan is a big light heavyweight – he’s as big for this division as Paulo Costa is for middleweight. Sure, Izzy (a long but lean middleweight) beat Costa, but how will he contend with Jan’s additional 20 lbs? Weight classes exist for a reason. If Izzy can’t get any respect from Jan things won’t go well for him (or perhaps for the audience, see below). People will think back to Silva vs Griffin, but the size difference is much larger here. And if Jan gets to a clinch, he’ll probably just crumple Izzy up into a cube like that looney toons dog mangling Sylvester the cat. The next one is Izzy’s striking IQ. I don’t like dealing in GOAT talk (in fact I think it’s a stupid conversation because obviously it’s GSP) but Izzy may be the best striker ever in MMA. He’s on that short list and in that conversation. He’s fast and creative, and he has adapted his skills well to the sport. If he can hurt Jan, his speed and technical superiority are so great that it’s hard to see how he loses this. Here's the problem though – these two factors can come together into an extremely boring fight. If Izzy can’t get Jan’s respect, but then it goes past the first round, Izzy is disciplined and smart enough (and shameless enough) to just tap Jan’s knee with low-commitment low kicks for the next 20 minutes and take a decision. He’ll do what he has to win, and he’s not risk adverse, but he’s also not one to take stupid risks just because someone boos him. Don’t forget the Yoel Romero fight. Featherweight Championship Amanda Nunes ©(-710) vs Megan Anderson (+750) Some money has come in on Anderson since last night – she was +8xx last I looked. This is our blowout. Women’s Featherweight is a lovely division. There simply aren’t enough fighters in it for it to be competitive, but Nunes has killed everyone and the only possible contender in either of the two divisions that she terrorizes is Megan Anderson. Nunes is a powerful grappler/brawler. She has a judo black belt, so she’s hard to take down, she has a BJJ black belt and an excellent back game, so she murders opponents on the ground, and she also has accurate punches and faceplant KO power. She is the most dominant woman in the sport. At one time she had a reputation of being a one-round fighter, but that’s well in the past. She’s coming off a 5-round brutal beating of grappler Felicia Spencer. Anderson is pretty much just a kickboxer. She’s the tallest woman in the UFC (probably ever), and she has a crummy ground game – she got notably outgrappled by Holly Holm. But here’s the thing – she has power: Holly Holm decided it was best to take her down. Anderson doesn’t have a great set of tools, but last night Dan Hardy released a breakdown which made me (and some gamblers) realize that she may have the right tools to threaten Nunes: long straight punches to meet Nunes’s hooks, strength in the clinch to make Nunes work to take it down, and pretty good timing that can make things connect. She also has extremely freaky long legs which she likes to throw on an opponent on the exit, and which she can make connect hard enough to end a fight. Would I bet the house on Anderson? gently caress no. But I might throw a small bet on her while I pick Nunes in a parlay. Bantamweight Championship Petr Yan © (-104) vs Aljamain Sterling (-107) And here’s our pickem. This fight is raddddd. Yan is our fresh champ of the post-Cejudo era, taking the vacant title by beating up an unfortunately overmatched Jose Aldo in July. He’s good at punching people, at kicking them, and good at wrestling them too. Sterling is the current darling of the Serra-Longo camp. He’s primarily a grappler but he has some striking skills too. He’s right now on a 5-fight streak with a blow-out first-round submission of Cory Sandhagen (the guy who clowned Frankie Edgar) in June. For me the X factor in this is relative experience. They have a one common opponent: Jimmie Rivera (last weekend’s FOTN), who they both beat by decision. Yan is undefeated in the UFC, but he did this funny thing where he got the title shot with a bit of luck – while Aljo, and a few other top contenders like Marlon Moraes played a game of “let’s all beat each other in an MMA math circle,” allowing Cejudo the double-champ opportunity, Yan leapfrogged them and got a title shot by KOing the ghost of Urijah Faber, and then won the belt from an overmatched Jose Aldo. Meanwhile, Aljo has had to scrap through a series of top guys in the last couple of years. Yan needs to show that he’s truly the champ. Aljo has earned his shot and stands on top of a heap of contenders. This is a great fight from a sporting perspective. Let’s enjoy it. Lightweight Islam Makachev (-326) vs Drew Dober (+285) This match loving owns. Islam is, according to Khabib, the heir to the lightweight division. He’s 18-1 overall and 7-1 UFC, his one loss a KO to Adriano Martins in his second UFC fight in 2015. Last time out he clowned BJJ standout Davi Ramos in September 2019 (that might be important). Dober is a lightweight dark horse, and he has earned my respect slowly in recent years. He’s on a 3-fight KO streak bringing his UFC record to 9-4 (1 NC). He’s a sturdy muay thai-based fighter. He has been outgrappled in the past (Dariush and Olivier Aubin-Mercier both submitted him) so Makachev is a rightful favourite, but Dober is an excellent and accurate striker who seems to have put things together. Makachev’s inactivity may also be a factor here. Light Heavyweight Thiago Santos (+138) vs Aleksander Rakic (-149) Hell yes. Santos fought not long ago so I’m going to reuse what I wrote: Santos is a mediocre-to-good middleweight who moved up to light heavyweight, went on a tear, and took Jon Jones to an extremely close decision which nearly everyone other than the judges scored for Santos. Oh, and Santos blew out both of his knees in that fight. This is his return to action. Santos is extremely aggressive, has power in all limbs, extremely accurate kicks, and a penchant for body shots. He’s fun to watch. He lost that fight to Glover by third round RNC, and by bad fight IQ. He severely hurt Glover with strikes several times but allowed Glover the chance to recover. Oh, and Santos has a KO over current champ Jan. Rakic is an Austrian with a 5-1 UFC record, his loss a split decision to former title challenger Volkan Oezdemir. In September he took a pretty one-sided decision over former title challenger Anthony Smith. He’s a pretty well-rounded fighter with a couple quick KO wins. I don’t have too many thoughts on Rakic – I’ve seen him fight, and I remember he looked good, but nothing really stuck. This is a cool fight because they’re both strikers and Santos is one of the hardest hitters in the sport. Prelims coming tomorrow.
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UFC events with 3 belts on the line: 33 Dave Menne vs Gil Castillo for inaugural middleweight title Jens Pulver vs Dennis Hallman for lightweight title Tito Ortiz vs Vladimir Matyushenko for light heavyweight title 205 Joanna Jedrzejczyk vs Karolina Kowalkiewicz for strawweight title Tyron Woodley vs Stephen Thompson for welterweight title Eddie Alvarez vs Conor McGregor for lightweight title 214 Cris Cyborg vs Tonya Evinger for vacant bantamweight title Tyron Woodley vs Demian Maia for welterweight title Daniel Cormier vs Jon Jones for light heavyweight title 217 Joanna Jedrzejczyk vs Rose Namajunas for strawweight title Cody Garbrandt vs TJ Dillashaw for bantamweight title Michael Bisping vs Georges St-Pierre for middleweight title
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LobsterMobster posted:UFC events with 3 belts on the line: Neat! And so 205 was the first one with 4 belts (one champ vs champ), and this is the first with 5 (one double champ, and one champ vs champ). Thanks! e. UFC 245 had 4 belts and 3 title fights too I just discovered by accident Usman vs Covington Max vs Volk Nunes vs GDR CommonShore fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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And the records of that just cause. 33 Inaugural title Pulver retained Ortiz retained 205 Joanna retained Woodley retained by draw Alvarez lost 214 vacant title Woodley retained DCvJones overturned NC 217 Joanna lost Cody lost Bisping lost 245 Usman retained Holoway lost Nunes retained Took 15 years from 33 to 205 to do 3 title fights. 2001-2016 Did the UFC ever try in-between and just fail? Or they just never cared to run 3 titles on a card?
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Snowman_McK posted:Also, god Luke is so handsome.
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I dont recall if they had previously tried for 3-title fight shows, but since I think UFC 33 ran past the alloted ppv time slot, they probably didn't attempt it Also, since they were running only PPV for so long, it didnt make sense to essentially use up 3 events worth of title fights on one night
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Digital Jedi posted:Did the UFC ever try in-between and just fail? Or they just never cared to run 3 titles on a card? Its because of PPV buys and the payment structure.
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LobsterMobster posted:I dont recall if they had previously tried for 3-title fight shows, but since I think UFC 33 ran past the alloted ppv time slot, they probably didn't attempt it Fozzy The Bear posted:Its because of PPV buys and the payment structure. Yea sort of forgot of the before times when it was only PPVs they existed and you needed to sell each one much as you can. Using 3 of your titles up for one card probably isn't great to do (and with less titles back then). Also imagine with how bad 33 was Dana never wanted to do it again until he saw the $$$ in Conor
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Also remember Before UFC Japan (ca. UFC 16) there was only one champ (HW) UFC Japan (1997) added LHW UFC Brazil (ca. UFC 17, 1997) UFC 30 (2001) added LW (and it mostly disappeared from 2002-2006) UFC 33 (2001) added MW And they only had those 5 divisions until 2010 when the UFC absorbed WEC UFC 123 (2010) added FW WEC 53 (2010) crowned Cruz as the UFC champ. Then.. UFC 152 (2012) added FlW UFC 157 (2013) had the first WBW fight WSW was added in 2014 WFW and WFlW in 2017. So they just didn't have the divisions/champions to put three title fights onto a card until probably 2012, unless they wanted to go a really long time without title fights on any of the PPVs.
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double negative posted:lol yes i'm sure kadyrov was extremely persuasive Make two wrongs a right and do the same thing to Khabib imo.
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Snowman_McK posted:We say things like this forgetting how dogshit he was to watch prior to the Dillashaw fight, when he was just a bad wrestlerboxer with no top game at all. He won the title by wrestling, doing nothing on top and getting outboxed by a man with one functioning leg. The Moraes fight was really good though. that's part of why i think he's so great. world champion wrestler tries out wide stance long pants karate and it makes him a world champion MMA fighter. i liked the DJ fight, especially in light of their first fight. and that DJ fled to ONE afterwards.
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Cejudo was not just a bad wrestleboxer before the TJ fight; he was the 125lbs karate hottie. And mostly fun to watch, IMO. Hopefully he comes back and beats up Yan or Aljo soon.
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CommonShore posted:Holy poo poo there has to be a new thread title in here I just can't decide what It's "There's a b league thread by the way".
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I know I'm making the classic mistake of disrespecting an underdog, but I think Jan's had an exceptionally fortunate road to the title and I don't think the Izzy fight is going to be competitive. I think his straightforward style is going to get countered to gently caress and back.
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I think weight classes matter and Izzy is going to weigh in at 200 with a dumbbell shaped backpack on or some poo poo, then Jan is gonna miss weight and knock him out and they just give the belt back to Jones for some reason.
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CarlCX posted:I know I'm making the classic mistake of disrespecting an underdog, but I think Jan's had an exceptionally fortunate road to the title and I don't think the Izzy fight is going to be competitive. I think his straightforward style is going to get countered to gently caress and back. I think the opposite actually. I think mini stipe will catch Izzy as he's going to the body and TKO him
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CarlCX posted:I know I'm making the classic mistake of disrespecting an underdog, but I think Jan's had an exceptionally fortunate road to the title and I don't think the Izzy fight is going to be competitive. I think his straightforward style is going to get countered to gently caress and back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG9qypAAWpc there's reason to be concerned
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Stupid sexy Rockhold 
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 If you have sex assault settlements and you need cash now 🎶
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 Add some wheels and Jan can drive the sauna-mobile to weigh ins
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UFC 259 Prelims (ESPN/ESPN+) (main card here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3960854&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post512927248) Bantamweight Dominic Cruz (+118) vs Casey Kenney (-125) I like this kind of matchmaking even if I’m not entirely jazzed about the specific matchup. Too often we see former champs left to fight at the top level until we see them get KOed like 5x straight with no opportunity to get their feet underneath them (see: Weidman) and clogging up high-visibility spots that could be going to other matchups. The matchmakers need to be doing more matches like this: let the champ have a fight against someone farther down the totem pole. If they win, they get some confidence back. If they lose, you’re giving a boost to a prospect. Dominic Cruz was the original UFC Bantamweight champion, getting that honour in 2010 when the UFC absorbed the WEC. He’s a high-activity scrambly striker who has great wrestling that he fluidly mixes in. He has also spent a ton of time on the shelf because his knees have a habit of repeatedly exploding, which leads to him being a two-time champion who only lost the belt once. Cody Garbrandt outclassed him in 2016 to take the belt in one of the best performances ever in MMA (watch it if you haven’t) and then Cruz in his next fight in 2020 challenged Henry Cejudo for the belt and lost by second round TKO. This will be Cruz’s first 3-round booking since 2014 and only his second since 2010. Kenny is a stocky judo-based fighter from LFA who has a 5-Dvalishvilli UFC record (Merab owns more than a couple “0s”). In October he took a fight-of-the-night decision over Nathaniel Wood. This fight will tell us a lot about both fighters. Personally, I think that Cruz is old, but he has a good style for bringing his experience to bear. He has a bad style for fighting with broken knees. Bantamweight Song Yadong (-141) vs Kyler Phillips (+135) Song Yadong is a 16-4-1 (1) Chinese fighter with a 5-0-1 UFC record. He has a decision over Chito Vera and a majority draw with Cody Stamann which many thought should have clearly gone against him. He’s a pretty good fighter with pretty good striking, though admittedly I can’t remember many details about him beyond thinking that he has potential. I made fun of Kyler’s name back in October but he won his fight pretty decisively. He’s an 8-1 LFA product with a TUF loss to Brad Katona. Flyweight Joseph Benavidez (+112) vs Askar Askarov (-117) Poor Joey B. He was once called the uncrowned king of the Flyweight division, and then Mighty Mouse happened. Then Mighty Mouse went away and then DFigs happened. And now he’s fighting a guy with only one name on an ESPN prelim. Benavidez is an important figure in the lighter weight classes, having come in with the WEC merger. He’s one of the best rounded fighters in MMA, though grappling is his forte, and he has a reputation for being a smart fighter too. He’s coming off of two consecutive stoppage losses to Deiveson in title shots. He’s the champ of Megan Olivi’s heart anyway. Askar Askarov is 12-0-1 with a split draw to current title challenger Brandon Moreno. He’s a Dagestani wrestler with a win by twister. Tune in for some fun grapple action! If Askarov wins he’s probably the next in line for a title shot. Flyweight Rogerio Bontorin (+118)vs Kai Kara-France (-132) Second of three flyweight fights on this card. Kara-France is a city kickboxing product from New Zealand with a pretty good all-around striking game, though he lacks stopping power. He’s 5-2 in the UFC, though his losses are to Brandon Moreno (title challenger) and Brandon Royval (had a #1 contender shot) so he’s still in the mix. His fight with Royval in September, by the way, was a banger. Bontorin is a Brazilian from contender series. He has two UFC wins over dudes I don’t know, and then a February decision loss to Ray Borg (who has been released for losing a bunch of fights). Idk anything about him. Even Earlier Prelims (ESPN+/Fight Pass) Flyweight Tim Elliott vs Jordan Espinosa Tim Elliott got kicked out of the UFC for losing too many fights, and then he came back on TUF to win a title shot against Mighty Mouse, which he lost, and then he lost some more fights. He’s a fun fighter to watch because he’s a weirdo who fights with his back to his opponent. His last time out he won a decision over Ryan Benoit, and to be fair to Elliot his three consecutive losses before that were to Brandon Royval, Askar Askarov, and Deiveson. Espinoza is a guy who I can’t really remember. He’s from the contender series and is 2-3 in the UFC. His best win is Mark De La Rosa, which isn’t especially impressive. Oh Espinoza had Covid, so if you’re tracking that.... Light Heavyweight Kennedy Nzechukwu (+219) vs Carlos Ulberg (-230) Ulberg is a 3-0 Kiwi who got in via the Contender series. He’s at City Kickboxing. I remember his win on DWCS once I looked it up – he caught a guy in a brawl. He’s tall and has power, but no experience. Nzechukwu is a 7-1 Nigerian fighter who also came in via CS. He got triangled by Paul Craig, but that seems to be a rite of passage for new light heavyweights these days anyway. I think he’s a striker. Welterweight Sean Brady (-192) vs Jake Matthews (+184) Matthews was supposed to become what eventually Robert Whittaker became. He’s an Australian who came in as something of a young super-prospect but he just rather matured into a mid-carder like Evan Dunham. He’s only 26, but he’s 10-4 in the UFC. Last time out he took something of an uninspiring but comfortable decision win over Diego Sanchez. Brady is 13-0, 3-0 UFC. In August he submitted some dude, but then had to withdraw from a booking with Belal Wozzname because of a broken nose. Strawweight Livia Renata Souza (+205) vs Amanda Lemos (-215) Souza is a former Invicta strawweight champ who has gone 3-1 in the UFC, losing to Brianna Van Buren. She’s grapple based, and generally pretty active in fights. She doesn’t look like a future title challenger to me. Lemos is 2-1 UFC with only 3 fights since 2017. She took a decision over M I Z U K I in August. Lightweight Uros Medic (-157) vs Aalon Cruz (+114) Yep I checked the spellings. Medic is a 6-0 Serb making his debut off of a first-round CS win on August. He trains with Rafael Cordeiro and that seems to match his KO-heavy record. Cruz is 8-3 with a KO loss to Spike Carlyle in his only UFC fight. Bantamweight Mario Bautista (-225) vs Trevin Jones (+206) Bautista is 9-1, with two straight UFC wins since losing his debut to Sandhagen. He has performance bonuses in both of those wins. Trevin Jones fights under the flag of Guam. In August he scored a POTN KO of Timur Valiev but then  lost that on his record, so right now he’s 0-0 (1NC) in the UFC.There you have it! Tune in! It all looks quite watchable and fun.
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Aye Doc posted:i'm so glad dom cruz is fighting on this card so that he can't be commentating it Has he worked a PPV?
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As some expected after 4 consecutive TKO losses, Junior dos Santos is released. https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-cSTlJb51 Edit: Seems like Overeem, as well. Brut fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Mar 4, 2021 |
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As yet unconfirmed rumors Overeem's gone too. UFC might be cleaning house of the bigger contracts they don't feel are worth it anymore.
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Brut posted:Has he worked a PPV? he was on both UFC 252 and 247
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Skjorte posted:Cejudo was not just a bad wrestleboxer before the TJ fight; he was the 125lbs karate hottie. And mostly fun to watch, IMO. Hopefully he comes back and beats up Yan or Aljo soon. I'm pretty sure Yan, at least, would beat him. Yan has better and quicker hands than Moraes and doesn't get tired the way Moraes does. His defensive wrestling is also excellent. Brut posted:I think weight classes matter They do. They exist to protect Light Heavyweights from people who fight in real divisions.
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