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Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

OLD OP: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3613360



First up, I fully apologize to everyone I have dragged back into this game

Nef posted:

THIS IS YOUR FAULT

Werkwerk posted:

Man idk

News

So Shadowbane was bought by a Chinese company a couple years ago. Apparently they have spent the last couple years doing actual dev work and now have released this game on steam for $11. There is a single world and the game ACTUALLY RUNS WELL. Most client issues seem to be been fixed too. I'm playing with a large pubbie NA nation and we have nightly PVP activities. I unfortunately don't have any good fights recorded, but here is a fight where we absolutely rolled another group:

https://twitch.tv/videos/934877040

What is Shadowbane?

Shadowbane is a MMO that was live from 2003 to 2009 featuring open-world PVP, sieges on destructible player constructed cities, almost infinite variation in character builds, and overt racism.

2009? So its dead now?

Nope! Resurrect from the grave, first by emulator projects and now by a chinese company that bought the IP - its back baybe.
https://steamcharts.com/app/1475570

OK, but I still ain’t never heard of no “Shadowbanes” and I’ve played every PVP game ever

Lets just say for 5 of the 6 years that the game was live, it was littered with bugs, dupes, and crippling lag. They actually cleaned it up a bit right before it was shutdown, but still had problems. Despite this, it was fun as hell though.

It seems like a lot of work has been done for the steam version. The game is buttery and I haven't even seen a single bug yet!

Pros/Cons?

quote:

Pros:
Open world PVP with full looting
Crazy min/maxing possible
Player designed cities
Sieges on cities
PVP viable in a day
No Quests
Everything forces you into possible PVP situations

Cons:
Click to move
Hard to do anything solo without a nation/multibox
Old rear end interfaces
Somewhat buggy client
Flagrant racism somewhat less racism

What is PVP like?


Here are some videos:
https://twitch.tv/videos/934877040
<TODO>

Large scale PVP usually happens in defense of a town or at mines which can be captured during a settable (by the current owner) one-hour window each day.

The game also promotes very small scale pvp in a ton of ways. At server up and every 4 hours after, discipline rune droppers spawn which are always located at the same place in the world. Discipline basically add additional skills to your character and vicious battles involving 2 to 5 people happen over the more valuable ones.

Levelling also often involves small scale PVP. You can easily hit a PVP viable level in this game in one or two days if you know what you are doing, but there are a finite number of places to do this. Usually when you are getting levels (usually powerlevelled) some rear end in a top hat will roll by and try to kill you and take your stuff. What a dick! This happens to people that try to farm also!

When you die, you drop everything in your inventory and your equipment takes damage. You respawn in your down with a short term death debuff. If you don’t repair your gear it can break and be gone forever. Please repair your gear.



How does one play with me/goons?
Post here or join this disc https://discord.gg/fpsKezs6XZ and i'll send you a discord invite for the nation. Voice comms are pretty much required to do anything meaningful in this game. We can get our own channel/server going if there is enough interest.

Getting Started Ingame
I could give you a rundown of each of the 22 classes, 12 races and 47 disciplines, but here is a wiki link instead:

http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php/Angelmar%27s_Comprehensive_Newb_Guide_V2

Your first character will be gimp. It will be less gimp if you follow a template. It will be a useful gimp if you follow one of these template:

Bane PVP warrior
Choose Minotaur as your Race
Choose Fighter as your class
Take 5 points out of every stat
Take “Warlord’s Page” and “Tough Hide”
Put all of your spare points into int and create your character.
Increase int to 60 then dump everything into con. When con is maxed, put all remaining points in str.

quote:

Minotaur Warrior
-5 to all

Tough Hide
Warlord’s Page

Final stats (unbuffed)
60 int (NO MORE NO LESS)
165 con
165 str

Applied Stat runes
---------
+15 con

Discs
---------
Bloodhorn
Berserker
Gladiator
Dark Knight

Trains
---------
Heavy Armor: 100%
Polearm: Gold (maxed)
Polearm Mastery: Gold
Toughness: Gold
Athletics: Gold
Indomitable Will: 20
Bloodhoves: 20
Unleash the Rage: 20
Fury of the Northman: 1
Resist Pain: 20

Gear
---------
Slash Resist Dreadnaught Armor
Polearm
Charmed necklace
Holy resist/con/strength/other resist rings

Farming/Powerlevel Sentinel
code:
Half Giant Sentinel
-5 to all stats

Wizard’s Apprentice
Brilliant Mind 

Max int (first)
Max str

Apply int rune or dump rest of points into con

Discs
---------
Rune Caster
Traveler
Huntsman

Trains
---------
Wear Armor Heavy: 140ish
Block: 140ish
Abjuration: 140ish
Hammer: 100%
Dangiriel’s Might: 40
Righteous Word of Binding: 40
Holy Word of Binding: 40
Exalted Word of Binding: 40
Sentinel’s Charge: 40
Nyth Rune (Rune Caster): 20
Toughness: [leftover trains]
Flying Bird Scout
code:
Aracoix Scout

Starting Runes
---------
Lucky
Tough as Nails
Military Training

Discipline Runes:
Skydancer
Rune Caster
Gladiator

Base Stats
---------
Dex 120 (Max)
Con 105 (Max)
Int 84 (Leftover)

Stat Runes
---------
+40 Dex

Skills
---------
Bow: Gold
Archery: Gold
Light Armor: Gold
Hide: 18
Sneak: 40
Athletics: 10 trains
Running: 140%

Precision: 40
Detect Hidden: 40
Talon Dance (Skydancer): 20
Will of the Skydancer (Skydancer): 20
Nyth Rune (Rune Caster): 20
Dodge: Leftover

quote:

Minotaur warriors are big, black and angry. You run fast, do a fuckload of damage, and have a HP pool the size of Tomed's mother. You have no real way of dealing with stealthers or flyers but honestly you wreck everything else. We use these in larger fights to chase and destroy targets. Play this in offensive stance and use your weapon powers smartly.

The Sentinel is mostly used for power leveling any future characters you might have and farming for money if you are so inclined. Other sentinel builds do huge AOE damage and debuffs. This build casts an AOE holy debuff, then the holy AOE. When it gets low on mana it casts an aoe mana drain. You play this in defensive stance and wear +defense armor.

The Scout can stealth, reveal steathers, and find nearby players. This is very useful for not getting ganked. Moreover, scouts are often used to hunt discipline runes (discs) due to these same capabilities. You need to adapt your stances to the situation as well as the weapon powers you use.

Choose Holmen's Grove as your starting town.

OH GOD THIS INTERFACE MY EYES ARE BURNING KILL ME NOW

WAIT! Don’t quit yet! It could look like this:




Please take 5 minutes out of your day and watch this handy youtube.
http://youtu.be/gcfn_JSs42Y
You will only need to do this once ever. When you make a new character, your old interfaces can be loaded by pressing esc->windows->load layout->[character name of good layout].

This game is click to move and middle mouse to adjust camera. Attack mobs with ctrl-a.
You start on newbie island which is one of the few zones in the game where other players can’t attack you. Ask in IRC for a summons to get a potion filled with magical and amazing buffs that will make the whole island much easier. Basically, you want to get to level 15 or 20ish before leaving the island. Here is a guide:
https://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php?title=Angelmar%27s_Comprehensive_Newb_Guide_V2#Leveling

Links

Images
http://imgur.com/a/r7pEA
Videos

Sites
Game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1475570/Shadowbane/
Game Wiki: http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php/Main_Page
UI Setup Guide: http://youtu.be/gcfn_JSs42Y
Newbie Guide: http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php?title=Angelmar%27s_Comprehensive_Newb_Guide_V2

Lorem ipsum fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 5, 2021

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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






I remember this game. I thought it was cool because it had some interesting playable races beyond the standard neo-Tolkien schlock

Aracoix

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I remember this game. I thought it was cool because it had some interesting playable races beyond the standard neo-Tolkien schlock

Aracoix

Ya so many weird races and classes like doomsayer and nephalim too

Freakazoid_
Jul 4, 2013




Buglord

I would be interested but that rando chinese company is sus as hell

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011




Freakazoid_ posted:

I would be interested but that rando chinese company is sus as hell

What have you got to lose?

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Freakazoid_ posted:

I would be interested but that rando chinese company is sus as hell

Ah I see you have not gone deep enough into the mmo hole before. I don't blame you. Yea, to be clear: I have no idea if the current developer is trustworthy. They do seem to be making a ton of money with the current cash shop but who knows how greedy they are.

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Here are some more videos from this server:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFQ0Ng1JEEM
https://twitch.tv/videos/938472435?t=2703s

iminers
Oct 11, 2013


I jumped in this a few days ago...

quit after i could not keep my camera from spinning when my mouse cursor went left,right,up and down...

Edit: Also it crashes after 5-15 minutes of gameplay...looking for a solution hasnt helped any...and yea this random Chinese company is shady

iminers fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 6, 2021

Jimlit
Jun 30, 2005


iminers posted:

I jumped in this a few days ago...

quit after i could not keep my camera from spinning when my mouse cursor went left,right,up and down...

Edit: Also it crashes after 5-15 minutes of gameplay...looking for a solution hasnt helped any...and yea this random Chinese company is shady

There is an option in the first settings menu called "mouse push" disable that


Also, here are the steps i had to take to make the game playable:

Download a new UI skin immediately:
I'm using Meekskin 4k. There are probably better ones out there, but I didn't need to follow a youtube video to get it to a point it wasn't frying my brain out.
Link: https://sinistersabotage.com/meekskin/

Set a custom resolution:
Go to your shadowbane game folder (IE: Steam\steamapps\common\Shadowbane) and run the SBconfig to set a custom resolution.

Jack your veiw angle up:
In graphics settings crank view angle all the way up. It helps considerably on modern displays.

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."






the biggest point of jank for me was that all the buttons for the abilities look the same so i could never remember which ability was which. did they fix that?
how is the actual game? i played on SBemu and magicbane a while back and was fairly disappointed by how...static, i guess, everything was. everybody was using mostly the same template characters and it felt like a solved game. no matter what you wanted your character to do, if it was at all viable then the best way to do it had already been minmaxed. have the devs made any balance changes (any at all) since the ancient days?

the steam reviews are full of people talking about pay to win, like you have to pay money to buy conc pots, banestones, trees, etc. is this true, and if so, is it as bad as they make it sound?

Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Mar 7, 2021

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Radio Free Kobold posted:

the biggest point of jank for me was that all the buttons for the abilities look the same so i could never remember which ability was which. did they fix that?

No, thats pretty much the same as ever. I use a combination of hotkeys and placing the abilities on the ui in places that remind me of what they do (put the snare next to sprint, defcut next to dstance, ect)

quote:

how is the actual game? i played on SBemu and magicbane a while back and was fairly disappointed by how...static, i guess, everything was. everybody was using mostly the same template characters and it felt like a solved game. no matter what you wanted your character to do, if it was at all viable then the best way to do it had already been minmaxed. have the devs made any balance changes (any at all) since the ancient days?

Weird, I never really got the same impression. I think a lot of groups run mino warriors because its easy to play and there are a lot of braindead players. My experience is that there is a huge diversity of builds for small scale stuff and the group composition of large scale stuff slowly changes over weeks with minotaur warriors being a core build.

quote:

the steam reviews are full of people talking about pay to win, like you have to pay money to buy conc pots, banestones, trees, etc. is this true, and if so, is it as bad as they make it sound?

Conc pots can only be bough through the store. This kinda blows. You can buy all the individual pots that add up to a conc pot ingame instead. We also run buffbots. All the other stuff like stones and trees you can acquire normally ingame by killing r8's or building the tree from a vendor. Conc pots are the only cash shop exclusive item that I know of.



The server has been really unstable the last 3 days now. Not sure what happened - it was going great for like a week and now its all gone wrong

Lorem ipsum fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 7, 2021

Ort
Jul 2, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.


I was just thinking about this game the other day. Playing a centaur crusader as a super tanky nuker was one of my favorite mmo niches I ever got to play. I wouldn’t mind giving this a try again, I love the mentalist flavor of warlock and also like more defensive classes, so it looks like a good pick - why would I choose fighter vs mage warlock?

Jeremor
Jun 1, 2009

Anyone foolish enough to stand in my path...
shall endure the pain of a thousand deaths...


Fighter blademaster warlocks can get crazy high defense, while still having some useful debuffs. Mage warlock is more your standard nuker though, yeah. Decent farmers too. It's kind of trading defense for damage I guess.

Cent sader will fit you into the most popular spec groups currently being run though. People love their holy specs

Ort
Jul 2, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.


Cool. Is a fighter warlock still hanging in the back line in a bane debuffing and nuking?

Jeremor
Jun 1, 2009

Anyone foolish enough to stand in my path...
shall endure the pain of a thousand deaths...


Sure, you can do that well enough. Then when there is a melee charge you probably want to get in there and mix it up to throw weapon skills on people.

I'll also say that banes right now can be a shitshow lag wise. Last one I was aware of was so laggy it was impossible to cast spells, so one side simply autoattacked the bane circle down. Hopefully that's not common.

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Ort posted:

Cool. Is a fighter warlock still hanging in the back line in a bane debuffing and nuking?

Fighter warlocks are usually extremely high defense melee specialists. They are much better for small scale stuff. I'd recommend playing a mage if you want to nuke stuff.

Ort
Jul 2, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.


This deflock build is the one that come up when I searched for a build, I noticed it was fighter but also had the nukes and stuff maxed so was just kind of confused about the niche. https://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php?title=Warlock_Builds

Is a nuker magelock still a pretty hardy defensive caster?

Ort fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 8, 2021

Ort
Jul 2, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.


Ort posted:

This deflock build is the one that come up when I searched for a build, I noticed it was fighter but also had the nukes and stuff maxed so was just kind of confused about the niche. https://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php?title=Warlock_Builds

Rip quote is not edit.

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Ort posted:

This deflock build is the one that come up when I searched for a build, I noticed it was fighter but also had the nukes and stuff maxed so was just kind of confused about the niche. https://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/index.php?title=Warlock_Builds

Is a nuker magelock still a pretty hardy defensive caster?

The nukes will do damage, but you are missing out on the mage offensive stance and mana pool. Defensive builds also don't do great at banes since you will just get spammed with defcuts and blinds so you are usually better off with a good health pool and resists.

e:

I've had this idea for a gimmick build for years but never made it.

Aracoix Fighter Warlock
Ambidexterity
As much int as you can
Skydancer

And then you just chuck mental proc daggers at people while flying. Its obviously gimp since you don't get throwing weapon powers but hey its weird.

Lorem ipsum fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Mar 8, 2021

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."






i remember back in the day i had a half-giant templar with just enough dex to take ambidextrous at character creation. 60 int for skills, then max con and strength. you'd put Cleansing Fire(?) on a guy to dot him and drain stamina, then just rip him apart with 2x burning blade. it mulched scouts and did okay against minotaurs, i think. if memory serves, there was such effort to make it dual-wielding (as opposed to 2h using the traditional BGS) because dual-wielding had much higher damage.

SweetBro
May 12, 2014

Did you read that sister?
Yes, truly a shitposter's post. I read it, Rem.


Explain to me how this game is fun. From the twitch video you linked, PvP seems to be devoid of skill and an experience that's identical to large fleet battles in EVE where everyone just an ally on follow and pressed F1 at whomever you're told is primary.

bomb
Nov 3, 2005




I played so much Shadowbane. Loved my Vamp scout.

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

SweetBro posted:

Explain to me how this game is fun. From the twitch video you linked, PvP seems to be devoid of skill and an experience that's identical to large fleet battles in EVE where everyone just an ally on follow and pressed F1 at whomever you're told is primary.

Eve is a fairly apt analogy. It depends on your role really. If you are playing a warrior, pretty much your only job is to be on target and call for heals/dispels/run away when targetted. Ideally you will also be breaking the support of the other force with powerblocks or stuns (kind of like breaking logi in eve with ECM). Support roles vary a lot. I mostly play bard which has a few jobs:

1) Root or snare stuff off of other support
2) Strip debuffs from friendlies under pressure
3) Strip enemy buffs
4) Run group chants (basically selectable buffs)

Mostly stuff requiring awareness really. Other roles have stuff like debuffs that block healing, focused heals that go though all debuffs, abilities that ground flying enemies, group teleports, ect. Like other games, the smaller the fight, the more nuance there is.

e: I was also level fuckall in that video because it was server up so I only had 2 roots and a dream for abilities. Not sure you will get anything more out of this video, but we get rolled because we had terrible comms and we had a failure in scouting and got flanked. https://twitch.tv/videos/942574597?t=195s

Lorem ipsum fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Mar 9, 2021

iminers
Oct 11, 2013


Jimlit posted:

There is an option in the first settings menu called "mouse push" disable that


Also, here are the steps i had to take to make the game playable:

Download a new UI skin immediately:
I'm using Meekskin 4k. There are probably better ones out there, but I didn't need to follow a youtube video to get it to a point it wasn't frying my brain out.
Link: https://sinistersabotage.com/meekskin/

Set a custom resolution:
Go to your shadowbane game folder (IE: Steam\steamapps\common\Shadowbane) and run the SBconfig to set a custom resolution.

Jack your veiw angle up:
In graphics settings crank view angle all the way up. It helps considerably on modern displays.

Im gonna try these right now, thanks for the help!

Delizin
Nov 9, 2005

It may not be interracial, but it is black and white.

My friends and I used to play the poo poo outta shadowbane back on live, then magicbane and sbemu. Even played with goons when we were in some nation allied with weird transgendered white supremacists.

I got a bit excited when I saw it pop up on Steam, but reviews were saying that the Chinese company that bought it decided to take the game in a P2W direction by selling endgame gear, conc pots and banes. I don't really care about them selling gear since that isn't a huge deal once you get a city built up, but only being able to get conc pots or banes with real money really annoys me. Conc pots were great for helping cut back on the need for multiboxing buff bots to some degree.

So is the P2W stuff true and how are the microtransactions affecting the game?

Edit: I hopped in discord and talked to Ipsum. Probably gonna end up grabbing my friends and playing later.

Delizin fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Mar 13, 2021

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.

Delizin posted:

So is the P2W stuff true and how are the microtransactions affecting the game?

Not really a big deal. There are some people paying $90 for a glass bow but all that poo poo still drops normally. The only cash shop exclusive item is the conc pot which turns out to be a minor annoyance but nothing more. The current major issues with the server is the stability and the recent crackdown on mulltiboxing.

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Delizin
Nov 9, 2005

It may not be interracial, but it is black and white.

I joined up with a few friends and we're starting to level and gear up.

SweetBro posted:

Explain to me how this game is fun. From the twitch video you linked, PvP seems to be devoid of skill and an experience that's identical to large fleet battles in EVE where everyone just an ally on follow and pressed F1 at whomever you're told is primary.

Just my 2 cents here:

Big fights like sieges and mine battles tend to be very chaotic and it is hard to pull off skillful combat. A lot of big fights depend on placement and a good command team calling the proper maneuvers and targets in addition to having a well built force.

Tonight we had a mine fight that was roughly 50 verses 50. Our group won the battle because we had good scouts providing intel on the enemy groups movements and then when we engaged we had mage assassins that were able to shadow mantle the targets stopping their healers from being able to heal them.

Smaller fights on the other hand require a lot more skill on the individuals part. Unlike most other mmos these days, pvp is not a rock paper scissors between classes. Two characters with the same race and class can be built and played extremely differently. Player skill and experience is required to identify different playstyles and counter them.

Class and levels definitely factor into the equation during pvp, but it's not just a numbers game. A well played level 50 character can kill a level 75 character and a well played solo player can kill a group of players.

I've been playing this game on and off for years, both on live and then again on the emulators when they came up. I really haven't played any games that have nearly as much depth to character building and pvp.

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