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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


a kitten posted:

But not too far of a long way, because that's also roughly when I read Whitley Strieber's Communion and that stupid book gave me a low key phobia about looking out windows after dark that lasted well into adulthood.

I had that same phobia but the weird part is, I lived out in the country and went camping a lot, and it somehow started even before I really cared about aliens. I specifically recall a day dream where a deer, of all things, spooked me by looking in. Something about its intelligent eyes freaked me out.

And then aliens and chupacabras entered the scene

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Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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So I haven't seen a couple of my buddies in over a year and apparently during Covid they both got suuuuuper into Youtube ghost investigations. Like they went out and bought some noise machine that cycles through radio stations really quickly and somehow ghosts talk through that....somehow? The ones they were absolutely giddy about showing me were from some channel called Ghosts of Maine or something. One clip (which seems to be recorded on like a 3mp digital camera) was pretty clearly a cat jumping from behind a curtain and another one just kinda looked like someone sitting on a bed (super out of focus, he screams and messes the camera up, and then doesn't walk around to the other side of the bed at all).

So the long and short is now I'm addicted to youtube ghost videos. Anyone know of a "good" Youtube ghost channel that doesn't make every episode like 2 hours long to review 14 seconds of footage?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Not sure but I recently found out one channel is still going strong despite them uploading a video where they forgot to edit out the guy giving commands to his buddy to let a door open so it looked like a ghost did it.

twistedmentat posted:

It all starts with HP Lovecraft and then people thinking HP Lovecraft was writing about things that actually happened. That lead to a book called Morning of the Magicians that was written by some French guy who combined that with the 19th century spiritual movements beliefs about Ancient Knowledge from the East that only seems to be discovered by white people. Stichin was able to exploit the fact that very little of ancient Sumerian texts were translated and what was translated wasn't widely available, so he could just make up whataver he wanted and no one could check what he way saying. So it was easy to go "The Annunaki came from Nibiru to mine gold, and created humanity to be their slaves" to be in the Epic of Gilgamesh when In reality its "And Gilgamesh slew the beast Tiamat in the name of Marduk and the blessing of Ishtar". Now that the translations are pretty easy to find you can't do that but they're still promoting it, trusting the lazy and ignorant masses to go "yea that sounds right". Von Danniken does the same thing taking academically known stuff and acting like it was a big mystery because at one point it was a mystery.

Feel dumb forgetting this because I have the book that's about how it all started with Lovecraft.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



a kitten posted:

But not too far of a long way, because that's also roughly when I read Whitley Strieber's Communion and that stupid book gave me a low key phobia about looking out windows after dark that lasted well into adulthood.

When I was in scouts, a bunch of us watched Communion together. When we went on a camping trip next, we got freaked the poo poo out because there was a bag in the moonlight outside of the tent that looked like one of the black robed goblins.

Speaking of Goblins, one of the crazier alien encounters is the Hopkinsville Goblins. A bunch of rural folk are home and one of the women sees this little silver thing outside. The men, being American men, started blastin'. The goblins when stuck by buckshot, made the sound of a holly metal drum being hit, and woud sometimes curl up in a little ball. Every time one of the goblins showed itself, the men would start shooting, even if the goblins weren't actually making any threatening actions. The people didn't see anymore for a while, until one was seen looking in at one of the women in bed through a window, to which one of the men came in and started blasting it with his shotgun again.

When police arrived they looked around the property, seeing lots of buckshot and bullet damage around the house, but no bodies of goblins. They did find a weird place where one of the goblins at been hit that was glowing but no blood, no material, no nothing. The police got the witnesses to describe what they saw, and they all described very similar creatures. Though like a lot of weird things seen in the night, it was probably owls.

Groovelord Neato posted:


Feel dumb forgetting this because I have the book that's about how it all started with Lovecraft.

Yea, a lot, and I mean a lot of beliefs about weird poo poo is people confusing media with reality. I've seen believers say that Lovecraft didn't know he was writing truth, and it was filtered through his mind, so things aren't exactly how they wrote it. Leng exists, just not full of big purple spiders, not partially in the dreamlands and not called Leng.

twistedmentat has a new favorite as of 00:57 on Apr 13, 2021

Mutant Headcrab
May 14, 2007


My favorite ghost hunting show was Paranormal Home Inspectors. A single season aired 'round 'bouts 2011, but had credits and effects care of Windows Movie Maker circa 2004. It followed three individuals (a professional home inspector, a paranormal investigator, and a "spiritual healer) who examined homes which the inhabitants claim spoooooky things are happening. The catch is they don't investigate all at once. They send people in one at a time and then the investigator collates everything to show the home owners.

First we lead with the home inspector, who is an absolute legend. Best part of the show. He immediately comes in and starts laying down rational explanations for everything going on. Doors opening on their own? They aren't level and not latching properly. Rooms colder than the rest of the house? You put furniture over the vents, of course it's colder in there. Objects are being found out of place? Surprise, the homeowners have pets and they likely just messed with things. I would honestly love to watch just a show of this guy going through supposed haunted houses and just diagnosing the structural problems.

After the home inspector, we get... *sigh* ...the "spiritual healer." Right off the bat she starts with the typical woo-woo bullshit; sensing energies and feeling presences. Just about every episode she finds spooky vibes all over the place, including parts of the home the home owners never reported issues in. Also does cold reading poo poo, like sensing an old person died in the house... In a multi-generational family farmstead. What's strange to me is that they have her "investigation" after the home inspector. You'd think they'd want to lead with the spooky stuff first, then bring in rational explanations. As it is, it just leads to the home inspector making everyone else, sometimes including the home owners, look like outright fools.

Speaking of fools, we wrap up with the paranormal investigator. She comes in for an overnight filming, bringing along her trusty cameraman and whatever intern was available for the filming. They set up some cheap looking motion sensors and then proceed to run around the house like it was a Scooby Doo gag. They overreact to just about nearly every little house noise you can imagine. The worst part ties back around to pets. They set up these loud, chiming motion sensors, but they don't bother having the home owners pets relocated. We only get one instance of a (very good) catte on camera, but surprise, surprise, the houses that set the motion detectors off the most are the houses where the home inspector chalked things up to pets.

Show ends with the investigator compiling the footage, plus some research taken from the local records office, to show the home owners. It's disheartening seeing people outright dismiss what the home inspector says, but it's also really funny watching a spouse roll their eyes while their SO buys into the ghost BS. Also there was an episode where the investigator all but outright tells a home owner he's being abducted by aliens.

Good poo poo. An absolute laugh to watch with friends and intoxicants.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


Mutant Headcrab posted:

My favorite ghost hunting show was Paranormal Home Inspectors.

This is both the dumbest and best reality show, an absolute must watch for anyone in this thread.

stereobreadsticks
Feb 28, 2008


twistedmentat posted:

Yea, a lot, and I mean a lot of beliefs about weird poo poo is people confusing media with reality. I've seen believers say that Lovecraft didn't know he was writing truth, and it was filtered through his mind, so things aren't exactly how they wrote it. Leng exists, just not full of big purple spiders, not partially in the dreamlands and not called Leng.

I'm sure you know this but this phenomenon of people thinking weird poo poo from fiction is true is much older than Lovecraft. For example, all the weird beliefs people have about the Holy Grail come from medieval writers like Chretien de Troyes and Thomas Malory, many of whom framed their stories as having been "discovered" rather than made up. But they weren't intended to be taken as factual any more than Tolkien intended people to believe that his works were really taken from the writings of Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



I mean, how many Christians in 2021 take their beliefs from Paradise Lost (via cultural osmosis) over the actual Bible?

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001



Mutant Headcrab posted:

My favorite ghost hunting show was Paranormal Home Inspectors.
Good internet person Jenny Nicholson did a breakdown of this show a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wG9m-eYNiM

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005

Clunk! Clunk Clunk!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7BlydBMAVU

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



stereobreadsticks posted:

I'm sure you know this but this phenomenon of people thinking weird poo poo from fiction is true is much older than Lovecraft. For example, all the weird beliefs people have about the Holy Grail come from medieval writers like Chretien de Troyes and Thomas Malory, many of whom framed their stories as having been "discovered" rather than made up. But they weren't intended to be taken as factual any more than Tolkien intended people to believe that his works were really taken from the writings of Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam.

Oh yea, thats been going on forever, but it was bolted onto already existing mythology, this is something taken from whole cloth. Before all this, the Ancient Mysteries were all attributed to lost civilizations; Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, Thule, Hyperborea whatever you wanted to use. Lots of 19th century mystics claimed to have gone to Tibet and found ancient scrolls or met with sages that told them that actually all world knowlage and culture comes from ancient white people who were destroyed. This is also why so much of that kind of stuff was so racist and it influenced a lot of racists.

Lovecraft's idea of aliens from space coming down and influencing humanity injected an entire new thread of crazy bullshit.


Knormal posted:

Good internet person Jenny Nicholson did a breakdown of this show a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wG9m-eYNiM

When i saw this being discussed I was wondering if it was the show Jenny Nicholson had talked about a while back.

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?





Solice Kirsk posted:


So the long and short is now I'm addicted to youtube ghost videos. Anyone know of a "good" Youtube ghost channel that doesn't make every episode like 2 hours long to review 14 seconds of footage?

I've been following Slapped Ham for a while. https://www.youtube.com/user/SlappedHamTV He's got loads of uploads and a good many are explainable like mysterious screams in the night are wildcats yowling, but they're fun enough for a watch. On the subject of Youtube video addictions, I've been following a lot of I think's called Analog Horror. Local 58's the best of them, but others aren't too shabby. I've been following The Minerva Alliance, Gemini Home Entertainment, and Surreal Broadcast since they seem the most steady with putting out content compared to some of the other channels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHPDVGwPPQA

I've also stumbled across the Cryptid Zoo book series. They're overall not bad, think Jurassic Park, but with cryptids.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


Groovelord Neato posted:

Not sure but I recently found out one channel is still going strong despite them uploading a video where they forgot to edit out the guy giving commands to his buddy to let a door open so it looked like a ghost did it.

Here's RLM talking about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_BT8gYAAA#t=575s

The "ghost hunter" Moe Sargi's channel still has over 2.5 million subscribers. He's also got a bunch of Slenderman-themed videos!

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Yeah I found out about it from RLM and I think it was Leon Lush who did a reaction to the channel and I realized from the voice it was the same guy and I'm thinking how the gently caress did he not only survive a blunder like that but thrive.

He has twice as many subs as RLM for gently caress's sake.

Groovelord Neato has a new favorite as of 12:54 on Apr 13, 2021

stereobreadsticks
Feb 28, 2008


Captain Hygiene posted:

I had that same phobia but the weird part is, I lived out in the country and went camping a lot, and it somehow started even before I really cared about aliens. I specifically recall a day dream where a deer, of all things, spooked me by looking in. Something about its intelligent eyes freaked me out.

And then aliens and chupacabras entered the scene

My grandparents lived in a mobile home in rural Oregon, right on the edge of the small town of Siletz, not far from Newport for anyone who knows the area. As a kid anytime we went to visit them I had to sleep on the sofa in the living room, where the main entrance was a sliding glass door facing the woods. I used to have nightmares about opening the curtain that covered the door and just having an animal there staring in at me. This being Oregon these nightmares sometimes dovetailed with bigfoot stories.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


stereobreadsticks posted:

My grandparents lived in a mobile home in rural Oregon, right on the edge of the small town of Siletz, not far from Newport for anyone who knows the area. As a kid anytime we went to visit them I had to sleep on the sofa in the living room, where the main entrance was a sliding glass door facing the woods. I used to have nightmares about opening the curtain that covered the door and just having an animal there staring in at me. This being Oregon these nightmares sometimes dovetailed with bigfoot stories.

When I was a kid my family moved out to a small Australian town and our house was surrounded by a thick eucalyptus forest full of koalas. No one told me that they made all sorts of godawful sounds at night so you can imagine how I felt the first night when I was woken up by this poo poo right outside my window:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua9XICf9ylU#t=30s

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

Yay




Koalas make sounds that do not sound like something that looks like a Koala should make.

It's like if a teddy bear was the lead singer in a death metal band.

Veib
Dec 10, 2007




Videos of koalas fighting are crazy because they sound like loving demons

Like if I heard that poo poo at night and somebody told me it was a drop bear, I'd be too scared to not believe it

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



I sub to a bunch of spooky youtube channels, some do purely ARG/Unfiction type stuff (which often gets mistaken for reality by people I noticed) some do nothing but IRL spooky stuff and some do a mixture

Barely and Slightly Sociable
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9PIn6-XuRKZ5HmYeu46AIw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgmI-uiLLAg--vDe7FFdekA

Nexpo (formerly Nightmare Expo)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpFFItkfZz1qz5PpHpqzYBw

ReignBot
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCchWU8ta6L-Dy3rGIxPINzw

Nightmind (though 100% a ARG channel)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC58IKuPHnZkdCZ6T5mSRGCg

Lemmino
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRcgy6GzDeccI7dkbbBna3Q

ScareTheater
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaGOgwGKnDVOKY0DrFsBAiA

I can't remember which one said it, but one of those channels said "if it could be an ARG or an Art Project, it probably is", though some videos on those channels seem to take "this is a cult in Second Life!" on face value.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

I think that may have been Barely Socialable and/or Lemimo. They both seem to do a lot of "here's a weird website / reddit user, detail, detail, detail, probably an ARG"

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



nonathlon posted:

I think that may have been Barely Socialable and/or Lemimo. They both seem to do a lot of "here's a weird website / reddit user, detail, detail, detail, probably an ARG"

Yea, those would be who i'd guess. Probably Barely Socialable based on his content. Nexpo seems to do a lot of videos about cults. Pretty sure that's in Kanye Quest because cults are an easy way to make things seem spooky.

Talking about these channels, i found out the Wyoming Incident never happened, it is an ARG but people report the video aspect as something that happened along with the Ashtar hijack or the Max headroom incident.

sad question
May 30, 2020



I read this thread with some interest but I am a bit confused by the notion that chupacabra is just alien from Species. I googled it and it has large tits and rear end hanging out which I do not believe are really featured in popular depictions of chupacabra. Is it like that famous footage of Bigfoot where people just try to ignore the boobs?

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


sad question posted:

I read this thread with some interest but I am a bit confused by the notion that chupacabra is just alien from Species. I googled it and it has large tits and rear end hanging out which I do not believe are really featured in popular depictions of chupacabra. Is it like that famous footage of Bigfoot where people just try to ignore the boobs?

The first chupacabra "eyewitness" drew this sketch soon afterwards:


Which is not exactly the same as Sil from Species but really really similar in a lot of ways (possibly mixed with a classic grey alien):


A researcher also confirmed that the witness had seen the movie Species shortly before the alleged sighting and thought they were the same type of creature:

quote:

A five-year investigation by Benjamin Radford, documented in his 2011 book Tracking the Chupacabra, concluded that the description given by the original eyewitness in Puerto Rico, Madelyne Tolentino, was based on the creature Sil in the 1995 science-fiction horror film Species.[1] The alien creature Sil is nearly identical to Tolentino's chupacabra eyewitness account and she had seen the movie before her report: "It was a creature that looked like the chupacabra, with spines on its back and all... The resemblance to the chupacabra was really impressive", Tolentino reported.[9] Radford revealed that Tolentino "believed that the creatures and events she saw in Species were happening in reality in Puerto Rico at the time", and therefore concludes that "the most important chupacabra description cannot be trusted".[1] This, Radford believes, seriously undermines the credibility of the chupacabra as a real animal.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra

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sad question
May 30, 2020



Okay, that makes a little more sense. I was thrown off because results in image search really show off everything but the spikes on Sil.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012



HR Giger's Chupacabra

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


Also I have no firm evidence to explain why the chupacabra urban legend evolved from "upright spiky reptilian alien vampires" to "coyotes with mange" but I'm just assuming it was random chance that there was a spate of mangy coyote sightings in the US (and possibly some animal mutilations) soon after the chupacabra thing went viral online and people just rolled them up together.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Like a lot of these legends, chupucabra can now look like almost anything, their description having mutated. The picture in Wikipedia looks like a bipedal lizard from a 50s movie, while others have described it as a dog or alien. Charitably, if we were dealing with a real thing, people would make mistakes and misreport or try and make sense of it as like something.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

twistedmentat posted:

Talking about these channels, i found out the Wyoming Incident never happened, it is an ARG but people report the video aspect as something that happened along with the Ashtar hijack or the Max headroom incident.

I suspect this happens a lot. A lot of paranormal or Fortran tales seem to get picked up, put into print or on the web, where the next author or blogger picks them up without looking at primary sources, and repeat. People "research" mainly by reading other dubious researchers. There's a bunch of classic mysterious events that don't seem to have happened at all: e.g. the disappearance of David Lang http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/the_disappearance_of_david_lang/

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013



nonathlon posted:

I suspect this happens a lot. A lot of paranormal or Fortran tales seem to get picked up

watch out for the chupacobol

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


Pastry of the Year posted:

watch out for the chupacobol

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


nonathlon posted:

Like a lot of these legends, chupucabra can now look like almost anything, their description having mutated. The picture in Wikipedia looks like a bipedal lizard from a 50s movie, while others have described it as a dog or alien. Charitably, if we were dealing with a real thing, people would make mistakes and misreport or try and make sense of it as like something.

An excellent real world example is the Indonesian bondegezou which I posted about earlier, which most cryptozoology sources assumed was a tiny bigfoot-like hominid

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

One recent one is the Indonesian bondegezou which cryptozoology sites used to list as a tiny 3' tall bigfoot-like creature with patchy black and white fur and was always included in lists of "Bigfoot creatures from other countries" alongside the yeti and the orang-pendek and the yeren and all the rest but in the mid 90s a scientist actually got hold of one and discovered it was a tree kangaroo.

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



nonathlon posted:

I suspect this happens a lot. A lot of paranormal or Fortran tales seem to get picked up, put into print or on the web, where the next author or blogger picks them up without looking at primary sources, and repeat. People "research" mainly by reading other dubious researchers. There's a bunch of classic mysterious events that don't seem to have happened at all: e.g. the disappearance of David Lang http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/the_disappearance_of_david_lang/

Yea when you look into a lot of evidence it tends to come from less than reputable sources. Like the GIANT SKELETONS FOUND! stuff cites articles from newspapers in the 19th century claiming that giant skeletons were found in the US, but no photos or samples, and those articles refer to scientists from institutions that have never existed.

Another popular thing is to just leave out important information. Like Elisa Lam, who the mystery suggests she was normal and something supernatural happened to her, or maybe she was murdered. No, she actually had a bunch of mental problems and while she was fine when taking her medication she had a history of not taking her medication so her bizarre behavior is explainable. Not to mention the whole "the water tank was closed" thing was from someone who misspoke once, when all the actual reports, that were available to anyone who wanted to look at them saying that it was open when she was found. Though of course people took this as a conspiracy because of course they did.

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