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M_Sinistrari posted:Closest I've come to that when I worked 911 was the one lady who called insisting there were werewolves digging in her garbage bin out back. I sent that one to animal control. LOL that's some Wellington Paranormal poo poo right there.  Anyone who likes wacky cryptid/paranormal stories should check out Wellington Paranormal and What We Do In The Shadows (the TV series and the original NZ movie directed by Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi), they're both great fun. Wellington Paranormal is about the further paranormal adventures of the hapless New Zealand cops who got called out to deal with the vampires in the original movie, they had a bigfoot episode just last week.
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Hollismason posted:I'mma have to search out Wellington Paranormal. I didn't even know that was a show. Oh it's great, If you like it I strongly recommend also watching What We do In the Shadows (both the movie and the tv show)
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twistedmentat posted:The weird thing about making him "real" as the way Bigfoot or Nessie is real, is that it would be like trying to say no honestly, you saw Pinhead when you were urban exploring some old hospital, or that you and your buddies were camping and you saw Jason when you went out to take a piss in the middle of the night. He's a pop culture character, not something that is meant to exist. Well, going back to the OP, the reason that the chupacabra never existed before 1995 is that it's literally just the alien Sil, from Species. "Patty", as we've seen, is basically a character from a movie - and the overwhelmingly popular grey aliens didn't exist before a 1964 episode of The Outer Limits. Even with Slenderman, a good chunk of the lore and imagery in Marble Hornets is derived from the somewhat obscure, x-filesy movie Suspect Zero. The origins of cryptids are always a weird combination of hoax, misidentification of 'natural' phenomena, and conflation of pop fiction with reality. I'd argue that you need all three for things to really take off.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Even with Slenderman, a good chunk of the lore and imagery in Marble Hornets is derived from the somewhat obscure, x-filesy movie Suspect Zero. you'd more or less have to draw on something else to integrate slenderman into a proper narrative. there was some collective storytelling in the original thread, but it's still goons. beyond a photoshop, the best you're going to get a terrifying wiki, or maybe a deadly attempt at making a zipline or some dangerous home remodeling. e: or possibly a war resulting in zero deaths and triple digits of labour-value equivalent in USD economic damage, in EVEonline Hodgepodge has a new favorite as of 08:09 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The origins of cryptids are always a weird combination of hoax, misidentification of 'natural' phenomena, and conflation of pop fiction with reality. I'd argue that you need all three for things to really take off. cryptids are almost like clowns, which unfortunately are all too real
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Hodgepodge posted:cryptids are almost like clowns, which unfortunately are all too real The worldwide 'killer clown' panic of 2016 had a lot in common with old timey 'monster' panics, including mobs of people armed with baseball bats going out at night to patrol places where sightings had occurred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_clown_sightings It even had the whole "conflation of pop fiction with reality" aspect that SMG mentioned because the early sightings that set off the entire thing were hoaxes designed to create viral interest in Facebook pages and upcoming clown movies E: here's an 1882 newspaper report from the Australia goldfields where mobs of armed people were patrolling the area every night and blasting shotguns into the air to try and capture the ghost that had been terrorizing the town for years ...... except it was only ever a dumb prank which got way out of control, and the prankster was real sorry about it the whole thing and just wanted it to be over   https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/250060299?searchTerm=ghost Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 09:56 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Scientists have proven that the Sasquatch he is real Take a look at the plaster cast of his foot now you know he's real And listen real close to the audiotape not human man you know he's real Couldn't be a man in gorilla suit no loving way man you know he's real (song starts @ 4:30 if you wanna skip the skit) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_I-oIq5nhs I kinda feel like now that every person in the woods is walking around with a HD video camera and there haven't been any HD Bigfoot pictures is sufficient proof that Ra was telling the truth about them back in the Ra tapes from the late '80s.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, going back to the OP, the reason that the chupacabra never existed before 1995 is that it's literally just the alien Sil, from Species. "Patty", as we've seen, is basically a character from a movie - and the overwhelmingly popular grey aliens didn't exist before a 1964 episode of The Outer Limits. Wait Suspect Zero? ISn't that the one with ben kingsley and aaron eckhart about the fbi agent hunting the serial killer who kills other serial killers? Been a long time since I've seen it, and also a while since I've seen marble hornets (which I fell off of before finishing) so maybe I just didn't get to the part where they would seem connected.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Wait Suspect Zero? ISn't that the one with ben kingsley and aaron eckhart about the fbi agent hunting the serial killer who kills other serial killers? Been a long time since I've seen it, and also a while since I've seen marble hornets (which I fell off of before finishing) so maybe I just didn't get to the part where they would seem connected. It’s not a direct adaptation, but the serial killer being pursued in the movie is specifically an absurdly prolific (and borderline-mythical), child-abducting serial killer. The weight of his crimes is such that he basically radiates a psychic aura that drives ‘sensitive’ people mad. More importantly, characters obsessively scribble a symbol that’s a zero with a line through it, and the film uses grainy black-and-white with flashes of colour to depict the psychic episodes. The reason Slenderman became “real” is that, because the original ‘shops were both obviously fake and extremely compelling, people believed that the art must refer to something real. There must be something beneath the illusion - like, it must be a recreation of ‘actual’ photos or something. With all the Slenderman fan-art going around, it’s inevitable that someone would mistake at least one of them with reality (e.g. the woodcut). In one of my favourite examples of this phenomenon, the obscure found footage movie UFO Abduction was used as the basis of a hoax: someone cut off the titles and end credits, then successfully passed it around UFO conventions as an authentic tape. The film was later remade as Incident In Lake County, which led to various conspiracy theories that the glossier remake was created by the government to discredit the ‘authentic’ original. As UFO Abduction became better known as a fictional film, some people speculated that both films were recreations of a third, truly authentic videotape. A lot of this confusion was the result of “Mandela effect” silliness: the actual video simply didn’t match the distorted memory of it, so the video was deemed wrong. This was also exacerbated by the fact that both films were released in different cuts, and under a variety of titles. You know the joke about the three pigs numbered 1, 2, 4? That’s precisely what happened there. So, like a properly pagan god, the goofy Slenderman character with the multiple arms reads as a metaphor for something irrepresentable - an anthropomorphization of the abstract concept of ‘unsolved child abduction’. SuperMechagodzilla has a new favorite as of 15:39 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In one of my favourite examples of this phenomenon, the obscure found footage movie UFO Abduction was used as the basis of a hoax: someone cut off the titles and end credits, then successfully passed it around UFO conventions as an authentic tape. The film was later remade as Incident In Lake County, which led to various conspiracy theories that the glossier remake was created by the government to discredit the ‘authentic’ original. As UFO Abduction became better known as a fictional film, some people speculated that both films were recreations of a third, truly authentic videotape. And the exact same thing also happened with the fake documentary Alternative 3 in the 70s, despite having cast credits for everyone including the fake astronaut. The short Mars landing sequence at the end still gets passed around as authentic secret space program footage.
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JonathonSpectre posted:[Tenacious D] Beastie Boys had the superior sasquatch  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcJq80GeLw The footage of sasquatch running through crowded NYC streets is hilarious  This page has a pretty good rundown of bigfoot film & TV appearances from 1970 (three years after the original Patterson-Gimlin film) right up to 2014 when they seemed to stop updating: http://www.stevemandich.com/otherstuff/bigfootonfilm.htm (Their list isn't as complete as it could be, the earliest bigfoot porn film they list was from 1974 so they missing the classic '71 porno The Geek.) The 1970 Bigfoot film is on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5Y-xErIP4 It already has a whole bunch of the usual bigfoot tropes: - Bigfoots live in family units - Humans never find Bigfoot corpses because they bury their dead in Bigfoot graveyards - Bigfoots are extremely horny for human woman, and some of them may be bigfoot-human hybrids - Bigfoots love to wrestle bears Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 18:16 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Jetto Jagga posted:And the exact same thing also happened with the fake documentary Alternative 3 in the 70s, despite having cast credits for everyone including the fake astronaut. The short Mars landing sequence at the end still gets passed around as authentic secret space program footage. Ghostwatch was this too. Purported to be a genuine live ghost hunt on British TV, it caused a lot of uproar, and someone even committed suicide over it.
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The_Doctor posted:Ghostwatch was this too. Purported to be a genuine live ghost hunt on British TV, it caused a lot of uproar, and someone even committed suicide over it. The 2012 Animal Planet/Discovery Channel fake documentary 'Mermaids: The Body Found' also confused a lot of people, especially since part of the PR for the show was setting up a fake website and pretending the domain had been seized by DOJ Homeland Security. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (part of the Dept of Commerce) also had to release a statement assuring people that mermaids weren't real. The really weird part is that the show wasn't even that good and had really bad CGI effects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLaORqFmwAk Snopes page: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mermaids-the-body-found/
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This page has a pretty good rundown of bigfoot film & TV appearances from 1970 (three years after the original Patterson-Gimlin film) right up to 2014 when they seemed to stop updating: http://www.stevemandich.com/otherstuff/bigfootonfilm.htm I'm noticing a few omissions here, which is somewhat understandable given the obscurity of all this stuff. Although belief in Bigfoot is obviously very mainstream, the films that are the origin of this belief are super fringe. Nobody actually watches them. Like, you'd think that the first-ever Bigfoot documentary would be a very important historical document, but it's all but lost. "Bigfoot - America's Abominable Snowman" was filmed by the BBC in 1968, with the participation of Roger Patterson and Ivan T. Sanderson. It was apparently ever televised once, but Patterson subsequently toured America doing screenings of his own personal cut of the film, providing interviews and Q&A. The film was then pretty much instantly forgotten, and has never even been bootlegged - though a full copy evidently showed up on eBay a couple years ago. Snowglobe of Doom posted:The 2012 Animal Planet/Discovery Channel fake documentary 'Mermaids: The Body Found' also confused a lot of people, especially since part of the PR for the show was setting up a fake website and pretending the domain had been seized by DOJ Homeland Security. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (part of the Dept of Commerce) also had to release a statement assuring people that mermaids weren't real. Mermaids is pretty great sci-fi, and a good example of how these beliefs develop. The CGI is 'bad-on-purpose', used by the film's diegetic creators to create really dubious speculative "reconstructions". But, as with Slenderman, the failure of the 'reconstruction' actually strengthens the myth by generating the impression that there's an authentic original still out there, somewhere. SuperMechagodzilla has a new favorite as of 18:56 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s not a direct adaptation, but the serial killer being pursued in the movie is specifically an absurdly prolific (and borderline-mythical), child-abducting serial killer. The weight of his crimes is such that he basically radiates a psychic aura that drives ‘sensitive’ people mad. Somewhere at my dad's house in the closet full of semi-labelled VHS tapes there's a copy of Incident in Lake County recorded off tv with the experts. I hope to someday track it down but then I'd have to find a working vhs player and that's a lot of effort But I still have fond memories of watching that over and over when I was younger
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If anyone was wondering how the abominable snowman craze came about in the 1920s and 30s this page has a good collection of the original newspaper reports that kicked it all off: https://hatch.kookscience.com/wiki/Yeti Here's a really early one:  The Bennington evening banner. (Bennington, Vt.), 28 Dec. 1921 The name "Abominable Snowman" came about from a mistranslation: quote:The name Abominable Snowman was coined in 1921, the year Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Howard-Bury led the 1921 British Mount Everest reconnaissance expedition[13][14] which he chronicled in Mount Everest The Reconnaissance, 1921.[15] In the book, Howard-Bury includes an account of crossing the Lhakpa La at 21,000 ft (6,400 m) where he found footprints that he believed "were probably caused by a large 'loping' grey wolf, which in the soft snow formed double tracks rather like those of a bare-footed man". He adds that his Sherpa guides "at once volunteered that the tracks must be that of 'The Wild Man of the Snows', to which they gave the name 'metoh-kangmi'".[15] "Metoh" translates as "man-bear" and "Kang-mi" translates as "snowman".[2][4][10][16]
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Another source for stranger/extreme Bigfoot tales were these general Forteana volumes written by Steiger/Smith in the late 60s, mostly unsourced and occasionally spiced up from their original telling. A review I did for my personal blog:     quote:Monsters of all kinds! Slimy, hairy, scaly, scary, and of the human variety as well. Many strange bigfoots and sea serpents, including several bogus Russian lake monsters, and some real space creeps too. Love the little cameo art done for these: 
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Sorry, I’m laughing at the ‘tiny village of Kuala Lumpur’ in 1966.
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Just look at this tiny primitive backwater hamlet   Probably crawling with slime monsters Also 
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LMAO Like I said, I love the art on these trashy little volumes:     This one has an interesting bit of history in it:   quote:Perhaps the most bizarre case presented is one that's hardly done justice at all with Smith's "hex" framing - the trial of Aldo Braibanti, the radical Italian intellectual accused of brainwashing youth into communist homosexuality! The political dimensions of the case are excised so as to present a "simple" case of occult mischief, with Smith casting Braibanti as a svengali and claiming that in Italy he's widely known as "the Stealer of Souls." Tawdry work on Smith's part.
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So, I have a copy of a 1915 book full of myths and superstitions in Chile, including a collection of cryptid creatures, which range from cool sounding to laughable (Honorable mention goes to the “strong toad” which is simply a near-invincible toad with a turtle shell which glows in the dark) If anyone here is familiar with the Bitterfly from Castlevania, then you’ll recognize one of the better-known cryptids in Chile, which is the Chonchón, originally a Mapuche myth. There are some discrepancies about the origin of the Chonchón. Some stories say that it is a shapeshifting warlock (or the reverse, that Chonchones can become warlocks as needed), others say that they are women who made deals with the warlocks to gain the power of flight. In either case, the result is the same: A severed human head with ears large enough to serve as wings which carry it through the sky on dark nights in search of victims whose blood they will consume. The only hint of his arrival is the call of tué tué tué, because they are invisible to non-warlocks.  There are several archaic religious rites which can temporarily best a Chonchón, although not kill it, and it is said that it is only a matter of time before it returns to kill anyone who tried to embarrass it in such a way. Another way to avoid the Chonchón is to promise to give him salt the next day, which he will come to collect in large amounts. If it is not given, you can bet your rear end he'll come back the day after to get you. It is possible to kill a Chonchón if one is particularly cleaver. Chonchones do eventually have to return to their body (in some versions of the myth), and require ointments to stick their head back on their neck. So, if one can find and hide or destroy these ointments, the Chonchón will kill itself smashing against the floor searching for them. As for origins of this myth, it most likely came about due to misidentifying an owl known by the name chuncho (note both chuncho and Chonchón come from the Mapudungun word for bird, chuchu) Redczar has a new favorite as of 04:46 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mods, please change my name to Strong Toad
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Redczar posted:So, I have a copy of a 1915 book full of myths and superstitions in Chile, including a collection of cryptid creatures, which range from cool sounding to laughable (Honorable mention goes to the “strong toad” which is simply a near-invincible toad with a turtle shell which glows in the dark) I'd love to hear more of this.
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Strong Toad is cool, good, and my friend.
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M_Sinistrari posted:I'd love to hear more of this. One of the simpler entries is about the Alicanto. The Alicanto is a nocturnal flightless bird which nests in and feeds on deposits of gold and silver. Depending on which of these metals it lives among, its feathers will take on and cast light of the color of said mineral. It will also influence the color of its eggs.  The reason the bird is flightless is due to its diet of metal, otherwise it could probably fly. When it is fasting, it runs quite quickly, but on a full stomach it moves lethargically. Due to the ease of seeing its golden or silver glow at night, it is of great interest to prospectors, who believe they can follow it to its nest of undiscovered precious minerals and become rich. However, such a pursuit is no easy task. The Alicanto can extinguish the glow of its feathers at will, and quickly slip away into the darkness. If the pursuer manages to enounter the trail, the Alicanto is also known to lead them towards cliffs, with the hope that the miner will lose his footing in the dark and fall to his death.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Strong Toad is cool, good, and my friend.
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Through the power of google I found a bit more information on Strong Toad: http://studyofmonsters.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-strong-toad-chiles-invulnerable-toad.html The Strong Toad is a very unique species of magical amphibians that are only native to Chile. In appearance, the creature looks like a normal horned toad except for a turtle-like shell on its back. The Strong Toad has the power of invulnerability, which allows the creature to withstand most harm and can actually glow-in-the-dark thanks to its unnatural skin. Strangely, one may think that the invulnerability is the creature's main defense mechanism. In reality, the Strong Toad's eyes actually have the ability to hypnotize any other life form away or toward the creature. Humans and predators are usually repelled but, insects or small mammals like mice are attracted toward the animal. Staring down either a predator or prey allows the Strong Toad to wisely choose which animal can get close enough to it, and if all else fails; the invulnerability protects the animal from any potential harm. Strong Toads are known to be great pets (only by choosing their owners) and are known to be great "guard dogs" due to their abilities. Though if a person ever wanted to kill a Strong Toad, fire is the most effective away due to the creature's amphibious nature but, just remember to burn it thoroughly until its reduced to cinders. Strong Toads are generally harmless but, are very picky on what or who they want to meet.
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In reality, the Strong Toad's eyes actually have the ability to hypnotize
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What kind of monster would ever want to burn a Strong Toad to cinders
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feedmyleg posted:In reality, the Strong Toad's eyes actually have the ability to hypnotize  It's all coming together.
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strong toad is between battle toad and captain toad on my favorite toads list
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One of my childhood haunts in southern Indiana, east of Evansville, had a brief bonanza over Bigfoot sightings back in 1972. Businesses even started taking out ads encouraging people to visit, or even buy mobile homes in the area, for the chance to see the beast. The county GOP accused the Democrats of registering bigfoot to vote, farmers claimed that chickens were missing, etc. Theories abounded as to what it actually was. One popular explanation was that it was a hippy who got lost hitchhiking his way to the "Indiana Woodstock" debacle in the neighboring town of Chandler. It turns out, the "Hatfield Monster" was actually a large St. Bernard Dog with a swollen paw, causing it to walk awkwardly and leave large "footprints." Its owner was on an extended vacation and it escaped from its tender. Southern Indiana also had a rash of "Wild Man" stories in the late 19th Century, but that's easily explained by the fact that many Civil War veterans suffering from undiagnosed PTSD wound up living out in the woods and occasionally foraging for food on farms. A happier story along these lines was "Diana of the Dunes," an intellectual woman who took up residence at the Indiana Dunes to escape society and study nature. A legend developed around her as local sightings gave way to rumors of a woman "skinny dipping" and gradually she became a celebrity as people flocked to try and see her. Her notoriety actually helped empower efforts to deem the Indiana Dunes a nature preserve, thwarting encroaching development into the area. Anyway, here's an old advertisement for cheap housing back in 1972 when Hatfield thought Bigfoot was going to really help property tax revenues. 
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Grammarchist posted:One of my childhood haunts in southern Indiana, east of Evansville, had a brief bonanza over Bigfoot sightings back in 1972. Businesses even started taking out ads encouraging people to visit, or even buy mobile homes in the area, for the chance to see the beast. The county GOP accused the Democrats of registering bigfoot to vote, farmers claimed that chickens were missing, etc. Theories abounded as to what it actually was. One popular explanation was that it was a hippy who got lost hitchhiking his way to the "Indiana Woodstock" debacle in the neighboring town of Chandler. It turns out, the "Hatfield Monster" was actually a large St. Bernard Dog with a swollen paw, causing it to walk awkwardly and leave large "footprints." Its owner was on an extended vacation and it escaped from its tender. Oh hell yeah, this is one of the news clippings I found in my used copy of Ivan T. Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen:  A Bigfoot sitting on a "large nest of eggs"??? Sounds like silly season to me.
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Jetto Jagga posted:Oh hell yeah, this is one of the news clippings I found in my used copy of Ivan T. Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen: Holy poo poo, that's awesome! All the articles I've read about that incident were pretty similar, but the "large nest of eggs" is a detail I never heard about. Hard to believe that story traveled so far, but I guess Bigfoot sightings were big news for 70's enthusiasts.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:One reason to distinguish Bigfoot from Sasquatch is that Sasquatches were originally said to be a tribe of tall, hairy "Indian" men living on and around Vancouver Island in Canada. Sasquatch narratives were a staple of men's pulp adventure magazines going back to at least the 1940s - tabloid articles along the lines of "weasels ripped my flesh!" in poo poo like SIR! and STAG and whatever. there's a section of Colonel Fawcett's(guy who went into the amazon searching for a hypothetical city and vanished leading to interest in him by esoteric/conspiracy type people) exploration diary where he talks about encountering a strange tribe of people in south america who were known to the other tribes in the area, but unlike those tribes they were hairy, quite aggressive, and lived in holes in the ground, basically apemen as he describes them. it really buzzed me out when i read it because all sorts of alternative people are interested in this guy(he's often tied into ancient astronaut sort of stuff) and yet no one seems to talk about what's basically an proto bigfoot type account in the diary of an experienced explorer.
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Thanks to whoever bought me this kickass avatar!
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Lunatic Sledge posted:strong toad is between battle toad and captain toad on my favorite toads list Very bottom of the list is the yourcarhasbeen.
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A human heart posted:there's a section of Colonel Fawcett's(guy who went into the amazon searching for a hypothetical city and vanished leading to interest in him by esoteric/conspiracy type people) exploration diary where he talks about encountering a strange tribe of people in south america who were known to the other tribes in the area, but unlike those tribes they were hairy, quite aggressive, and lived in holes in the ground, basically apemen as he describes them. it really buzzed me out when i read it because all sorts of alternative people are interested in this guy(he's often tied into ancient astronaut sort of stuff) and yet no one seems to talk about what's basically an proto bigfoot type account in the diary of an experienced explorer. Warren Smith writes about Fawcett in his Lost Cities of the Ancients - Unearthed!, possibly his magnum opus as it comes in at near 400 pages and recycles reams of content from his prior Zebra specials including UFOs all over South America, the vicious hairy dwarfs of Venezuela, Incan tunnels to Hollow Earth and more, along with some endless chapters on lost cities which is where Fawcett comes in with the ape man combo, accompanied by de Loys and his weird ape hoax for race science.  "Fully Illustrated" apparently means 5 blurry b/w photos, but that's 5 more than any of his other cheapie entries for Zebra:             These were all cranked out from 1974-1976 and featured large amounts of recycled work between them. The Hollow Earth book is 95% recycled material from this previous work Smith released under the "Eric Norman" pseudonym:   And the chapter from both on Hollow Earth and Hitler gets reused in his Atlantis book, with the only change being the words "Hollow Earth" swapped for "Atlantis!" Oddly enough, the Loch Ness book doesn't have any UFO or Hollow Earth content, despite the back copy. Poking around a bit I found that the University of Iowa has a collection of Smith's papers available for research. quote:Scope and Contents He seems like he was a fascinating dude.
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