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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

let the anger flow through your salt beef filling

Fauxtool posted:

my tiny 2 gpus mining heats my house at the same efficiency as its central heating and its 100% powered by the solar system on the roof. Nice try amigo.

Its more like putting in on a treadmill for personal gain, full stop. Which is in fact totally ok. Leaded gasoline is attributing subjective opinions about its harm to others. Its my car, the law doesnt disallow turning it into some sort of stationary dynamo despite it not being its original intended purpose.

Mining and crypto can be handled responsibly and no one in the thread was encouraging anything else.

I don't think "the law in my country allows me to carry out this activity" equates to "it's good etiquette to post about this activity in a thread where many people feel like it is cannibalizing their hobby, and who find reading posts about it tiring at best and distasteful and offensive at worst". We're going round in circles at this point so I'll stop engaging but I really think a little compassion would go a long way here.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Mar 10, 2021

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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


If it wasn't for SH/SC I probably wouldn't be on SA much at all to be honest, so I'm happy with it. I enjoy this community.

cryptoclastic
Jul 3, 2003

The Jesus


I feel like a lot of the megathreads have really really old first posts and I donít know if they are still relevant. Thatís my feedback.

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019



I love megathreads which is why I came back here instead of reddit crap, I love being able to go into the GPU thread & find the fist goons buying 970s (which now sell for inflated prices!!) and have it all contiguous.

I just think a lot of fields move incredibly fast now, and also the hobby had a really nice peak a few years ago where there weren't too many weird options, parts were plentiful, Newegg was good, etc.

I think megathreads shouldn't be necessarily expected to give everyone an intro to the topic like in Games, where ideally you're trying to get people to learn about the game. But I dont expect the OP of the Home Networking Thread to be consistently updated like Wirecutter reviews. I guess I'm saying most of the old OPs don't bother me at all.

Maybe like in the parts picking thread just some really basics that guide people on how to ask questions and get help, rather than try to cover the entire topic of PC building?

Freakazoid_
Jul 4, 2013




Buglord

I have no issues with SH/SC moderation.

I would like to see a new Computer Chairs thread with an OP who is knowledgeable and keeps it updated.

While I like the GPU Megathread, it could be better about lower/mid-end card discussions.

Thank you for reading my feedback.

Sininu
Jan 8, 2014



I'd love a chat and your build threads as well. Other than that I don't have much else to say.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



I'd love for the 3 big threads to be merged (poo poo pissing you off, a ticket came in, working in IT) - the discussions is pretty much the same in each and I can't tell a difference between them

Siliziumleben
Dec 4, 2003

The scientists' findings were astounding! They discovered that the powers of the Metroid might be harnessed for the good of civilization!

close and archive threads once they reach 100 pages, preferably automatically

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

luminalflux posted:

I'd love for the 3 big threads to be merged (poo poo pissing you off, a ticket came in, working in IT) - the discussions is pretty much the same in each and I can't tell a difference between them

Some folks seem to be extremely passionate about having 3 generic it threads instead of just one because "it will be too much to read".

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



What if, we go from 3 threads to 2. One for 'A ticket came in' - work related stuff and one for 'IT poo poo that pisses you off' - not needing to be work related?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




So, support bellyaching vs career bellyaching?

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

Gettin' woke about vaccines

I think 1 or 2 would work. And maybe have the ĎWorking in ITí focus more on career development/advice/yotj posts

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



i am a moron posted:

I think 1 or 2 would work. And maybe have the ĎWorking in ITí focus more on career development/advice/yotj posts

Yeah, one monthly chat thread and one "career" focused thread makes more sense than the 3 current IMHO

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
TITLE TEXT

Nth-ing the opinion that this is the last place of value SA has left, and I'd appreciate it if the moderation remained minimal. I don't agree with any suggestions to merge threads, tinker with OPs, or otherwise re-engineer the natural flow of conversation.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.




Working in IT thread has a different group of regulars and the last time the poo poo Pissing You Off/A Ticket Came In thread got merged, they were quickly unmerged because we were making 2-3 new pages worth of posts in a day. Another vote to leave them as-is.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007


RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




Sirotan posted:

Working in IT thread has a different group of regulars and the last time the poo poo Pissing You Off/A Ticket Came In thread got merged, they were quickly unmerged because we were making 2-3 new pages worth of posts in a day. Another vote to leave them as-is.

I agree with this. As an IT thread regular, merging the threads with a bunch of constant posts I don't want to read about will make me unfollow it.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader

Sirotan posted:

Working in IT thread has a different group of regulars and the last time the poo poo Pissing You Off/A Ticket Came In thread got merged, they were quickly unmerged because we were making 2-3 new pages worth of posts in a day. Another vote to leave them as-is.

Seals are smarter than any human so I think we should follow this advice.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



Chaos option: move them all to cccc.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.



This thread is reminding me how annoying it is that cryptocurrency people have largely hijacked the word "crypto" from the cryptography people. It's just like the motorcyclists who keep trying to appropriate the word "bike" from bicyclists.

Anyway, as for moderation, it's practically invisible in most of the sh/sc threads that I lurk. Things seem largely self-policing, which is nothing short of a miracle on today's Internet. So, no particular complaints or requests there, just a thank you to the mods who watch over this space for us.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

Bitcoin Rich


i bought my current bike with crypto

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

I don't really have any complaints, I can't recall any negative experiences here.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader

Rick posted:

I don't really have any complaints, I can't recall any negative experiences here.

You suck and you smell bad and your house smells bad and also you're a dumbo.

(Just wanted to fill in that giant gap so you can have the full SA experience. )

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



Iíd like my posts to be offered on the nft market.

You can own one of my poo poo posts.

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?


I miss fishmech

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009



CLAM DOWN posted:

I think SH/SC is great outside of jaegerx being the literal florida man of the IT thread and screaming at me about bath salts and bbq

lol

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

ayyy




Mr Chips posted:

I miss fishmech

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!




Please donít quote my ex. I have him blocked for a reason

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

In general I have few or no complaints about the state of SH/SC moderation. I do have some opinions on some of the topics under discussion.


I don't read the GPU thread, so I don't have a dog in this race, but it sounds like there are two separate questions: 1. Is cryptocurrency an acceptable topic in SH/SC? and 2. If so, are there particular topics that are not acceptable? We can all weigh in, but at the end of the day someone is going to have to make an executive decision and both camps are going to have to live with it. I personally wish all cryptocurrency would disappear forever tomorrow, but if the mods decide it's okay, then I'll have to accept that, and if the decision goes the other way the crypto people are going to have to do the same.

If cryptocurrency is an allowable topic and there are specific topics that we don't want -- say, people actively scalping video cards -- say so and ban anyone talking about them.

Either way, I don't think cryptocurrency bullshit belongs in the GPU thread. Do people use GPUs to mine cryptocurrencies? Sure. People use computer hardware to watch porn but we don't let people discuss their favorite porn in the hardware thread. Topics like availability of GPUs are pretty self-evidently germane to "normal" (i.e., non-cryptocurrency) GPU usage and I think they belong in that thread even if the cryptocurrency people also derive benefit from them. If cryptocurrency discussion is allowed then it should have its own thread and, much as it pains me, people trolling them should also be probated or banned.


RE: the ~3 huge SH/SC threads: The "Working in IT" thread is its own beast and shouldn't be merged. That gets used for career questions, technical questions that don't fit in a different pre-existing topic, etc. The "poo poo that pisses you off" and "A ticket came in" threads are much closer. I do not personally care if they are merged or not, although they are distinct enough that I post different stuff in each of them.


RE: Megathreads, I like them but I also derive a lot of value from the OPs being a one-stop shop for common questions and I would very strongly prefer that those OPs be large effort-posts and also reasonably up to date. The practice of OPs like that is a huge plus to the SA forums generally. If you don't want to maintain the OP, let someone else make the thread. If the OP is out of date and the thread poster isn't updating it, get someone to make a new one and then close the old one. The people in those threads are perfectly capable of discussing briefly and determining that the OP is out of date. It is really annoying to have a "what to buy" guide that was last updated in 2011. Yes, technology changes quickly, but you don't need to update the OP more than a couple times a year. How often do you think the go-to recommendation for a new router changes?

Crosby B. Alfred
May 20, 2006
Cosby B. Alright

I think the "Working in IT" thread should remain as-is however I agree with possibly merging The "poo poo that pisses you off" and "A ticket came in" threads.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
BUT DID ANY OF YOU STOP FOR ONE SECOND TO CONSIDER HOW THIS EFFECTS ME PERSONALLY?! NO YOU DID NOT BECAUSE I AM STUPID AND UNIMPORTANT! GOOD JOB! KEEP IT UP!

Seriously though. Ignore me. For your health.

Internet Explorer posted:

I can't say I've even been in the thread, which is certainly a good thing as it means it gets no reports. I'll check it out. I'm not sure I 100% understand what you're saying, but if you're concerned we'll try to keep an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up!

I think it is generally fine and funny 99% of the time but there are occasionally posts or things that get linked which have the potential to blow up into Internet Culture War. Stuff like discussing the 8bit guy being a Texas gun rights activist kinda thing.

If it hasn't been any trouble ever that's great, I just wanted to touch base so you're not going "why the gently caress do we even have a youtube thread in SH/SC and what the hell happened to cause a trazillion reports" if something does happen down the road.

e: and i think it would be a shame if the answer to that was "well we shouldn't have a youtube thread" when it's one of my favourites and it's specifically because it's in this forum with the other posters here.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005


Oven Wrangler

Just wanted to say thanks for everyone who gave feedback so far and approached this topic and each other with kindness. Lots of good feedback and movax and I have been discussing things in the background. We've been purposefully trying to avoid replying too much, so we weren't putting our thumbs on the scale. We'll be working on compiling the feedback and posting our thoughts, but please do keep 'em coming.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



Iíve got like 5 posts I want to sell on nft. Where are we on that?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005


Oven Wrangler

jaegerx posted:

I’ve got like 5 posts I want to sell on nft. Where are we on that?

Stop trolling me jaegerx

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005


Oven Wrangler

I'm going to tell CLAM that you're cheating on him

denereal visease
Nov 27, 2002

"Research your own experience. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own."

cross-posting this from the GPU thread

BurritoJustice posted:

How would you guys feel about splitting the thread in two with GPU hardware, performance and comparisons in one and availability, crypto outlook affecting prices, and stock update talk in another? I'm honestly not bothered by how it is now but there is a lot of posts about whether these topics are appropriate for the thread and it might make things smoother
I don't think it makes sense to have two GPU threads split like that: would a new or returning builder have to post in one thread to figure out which card they want, then post in another thread to figure out how to get it in the 2021 hellscape?

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010





i'd like to point out again that the gpu thread was fine and rarely had coin chat until early january when coin prices spiked. the misconception that's being pushed that it's the reason behind demand and thus should be the central topic of the thread doesn't mesh with reality

if it's that important to the posters then make their own thread for the topic

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

Bit. Trip. RIP.


The problem with "just make your own thread about crypto" is that those threads tend to devolve really quickly because people who hate crypto just love to poo poo things up. I'm all for a crypto thread in SH/SC if it was properly moderated.

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019



Stanley Pain posted:

The problem with "just make your own thread about crypto" is that those threads tend to devolve really quickly because people who hate crypto just love to poo poo things up. I'm all for a crypto thread in SH/SC if it was properly moderated.

if there is a thread in sh/sc for discussing crypto i wouldn't go in there ever, just like I don't ever go into the comics forum or the Linux thread. I would actually like to learn more about the technology side and hear less about the prices, so if it turns into a resource like the NAS thread - cool/

if people post in other threads about crypto, normal standards on forums bullying should apply (its usually good as long as its not gendered/racist/abled/classist/etc)

Bloopsy
Jun 1, 2006

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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

the misconception that's being pushed that it's the reason behind demand and thus should be the central topic of the thread doesn't mesh with reality

if it's that important to the posters then make their own thread for the topic

Who is pushing for crypto to be the central topic of the thread?

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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

let the anger flow through your salt beef filling

Bloopsy posted:

Who is pushing for crypto to be the central topic of the thread?

That's maybe a bit extreme, but I think there's definitely an argument to be had that mining is a function of GPUs. I personally don't feel like it's the intended function of GPUs and probably not in the spirit of a thread about them.

Now seems like a better time than ever for a separate crypto thread in this subforum though! Especially with the recent NFT boom. I think whoever sets up a thread like that should brace for people wanting to dunk on crypto though (just like people might dunk on a bad or otherwise controversial video game in a video game thread). There isn't any getting around the fact that it's a super controversial topic.

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