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Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Premise: I always enjoyed the old Football Manager LPs on that other subforum, and this is a really compelling offseason for my abusive relationship with a certain football team. They have a stud young QB, an utter inability to protect him, and a lot of cap space and draft capital. The intent of this thread is to serve as a running commentary on the offseason up until the draft. Eagle eyed readers might deduce I wrote a couple of these segments prior to today, I waffled on posting this.

At the point of the draft I will take over and make selections in place of the real team. At that point I will post a review of the offseason and return in a year to review whether my selections would have been more successful than the real world equivalent.

Let me introduce the characters:

Cincinatti Bangles: A hard-luck football franchise with questionable coaching and ownership. Recent string of losing seasons after the long and competant-ish* reign of a former coach. The new staff is attempting to put their own spin on the franchise, but the jury is (actually not-all-that) out on them being worse than the prior regime.

The wild card is they have a QB with a spectacular ceiling. Last year they started his rookie season with the premise that they had enough pass protection to stop him from literally dying on the field and were -technically- correct. They also have plenty of talent at skill positions. They have a miserable offensive line, suspect coaching, no pass rush, and concerns in the secondary.

Cincinatti�s three-man front office includes:

Eifert Posting: The sole team scout, responsible for internal player evaluation and draft prep. Can not make personnel moves, cuts, or draft day trades. Does not even actually watch much college football. If he did things like that the team wouldn�t pay what it would cost to employ him.

Eifert posting:

Makes draft picks
Can VETO draft day trades (but may not suggest them)
Breaks down roster needs, suggests Free Agents, and assigns priority targets
May select up to four UDFAs after the draft is concluded IF they were on his board

Mikey: Is solely responsible for Free Agency selections, staffing, and trades.

Mikey:

Makes all trades prior to draft day, proposes draft day trades
Signs free agents and cuts players
Franchise tags Carl Lawson, if he knows what�s good for him
Can�t read

Lapp Hahm: Head of media relations.

Lapp:

Reads the team�s big board and informs the media of what he sees prior to the draft

Other notable characters:

A six-foot-high pile of 300 pound men: Bangles Star Quarterback Joe Burrow lives under these men.

The fans: In terms of unrest are somewhere between 1904 Imperial Russia and 1917 Imperial Russia. If the Bangles don�t sign offensive linemen early in free agency buy stock for whoever makes pitchforks and torches.

Up Next: Breakdown of Internal free agents

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 16:27

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Ok, I�ve made a list of our outgoing free agent class. Now, I know you�ve been reluctant to pay anyone until now because the cap is unknown �

Yes, that�s the reason.

But these are guys that we should work on retaining.

We need a long-term deal:

Carl Lawson DE � Since our lovely DC scared off Carlos Dunlap he�s the only pass rusher we have who isn�t utterly incompetent. We need a long term deal. He�s good, young, and should be relatively affordable because he doesn�t have a ton of sacks, just pressures. If we can�t sign him we tag him
Mackenzie Alexander CB � If we don�t sign him we will create a need at slot corner. We have enough needs already. Cheap and capable.
William Jackson III CB � Probably the most talented player in our free agent class, just less of a need. He�s an excellent press man corner. Our dumbass DC is making him play off the receiver, let him play his game and sign him long term.
Brandon Wilson S � quality backup safety who is an excellent returner. Will be affordable. No reason to let good depth and special teams turn into a need

Should be re-signed

Kevin Huber P � Why create a need? He�s good, locally popular, and reliable.
Mike Daniels DT � He looked good out there, is familiar with the system and affordable. Seems to enjoy playing for us.
Margus Hunt DT/E � Decent versatile and cheap. Good depth.

Luxory re-signing after unrestricted free agency:

Shawn Williams S � He�s a good player whose been misused. This offseason is unlikely to have a strong demand for him, we may get him back cheap.
Samaje Perine RB � I liked what I saw. He�s probably only going to command a minimum salary so why not?
Josh Bynes LB � Useful to have a veteran and he�s cheap. Cool with letting him go.
Christian Covington DT � Some flashes, decent signing for depth.
Cethan Carter TE � Worth a roster spot for ST
Quinton Spain G � Hot/cold backup guard. As a dedicated backup he�s not awful. Don�t pay much.

Don�t care, can�t even be bothered to write a blurb:

Mike Thomas WR
Brandon Allen QB
Xavier Williams DT

Please don�t:

Jordan Evans LB � progress blocker
Alex Redmond G - talentless head-case
Randy Bullock K � We can do better, not terrible. No one else will sign him
Alex Erickson WR � He�s FINE, but unless he�s signing for less than he can get elsewhere we can find a younger guy cheaper to do the same job
John Ross WR � For his sake and ours. It just isn�t ever gonna work for either party
AJ Green WR � It hurts to say this, but he needs a change of scenery and we have better uses for the money

I swear to god, if you even call this man:

LeShaun Sims CB � Garbage. Worst corner I�ve ever watched. I will pay you not to sign him.

And potential roster moves who are not free agents:

Long term deal:

Jessie Bates S � perhaps the most talented defensive back in the division, top 3 safety. He will be more if we wait, and safety is an undervalued position.

Cut options:

Bobby Hart RT: OK as a backup but we pay him like a top 10 tackle.
Geno Atkins DT: Only worth cutting in the event that we actually need the space. Reliable solid leader. I would like him to retire here, but our idiot DC is trying to jam him into the wrong position and he may have lost it.
Giovani Bernard HB � From purely a money perspective this makes sense HOWEVER Gio is the only guy on the roster who knows how to pass block. Getting rid of Gio before we have acceptable improvement on the offensive line is flat out negligent.

Ok, so that�s the run down, what do you think?

... Well, William Jackson, Mackenzie Alexander and Carl Lawson won�t sign long term deals because they hate our DC

Oh, you mean the DC that put them all in bad positions, hasn�t done anything at any point in his career to justify his position, has had multiple sources say he was abusive and dismissive of the players, and should have been fired? That DC?

Yes.

Well if you don�t franchise Carl I�ll be apoplectic.

Anyway, if we had fired him who takes that job? Our head coach is on borrowed time.

Why not fire him too?

Everyone knows it�s illegal to fire head coaches before their first hundred games. We also only have so much cap space

6th most in the league prior to cuts and a QB on a rookie deal.

Anyway, about LeShaun Sims�

Future plans:

~3/15/21 is the next major update. It will be the roster chart and priority chart for free agency. I will pop in with blurbs for any significant roster moves. The actual interactive part of the offseason starts after the first few days of Free Agency, where I�ll start breaking down my draft plans and interesting prospects.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 00:25

TeeMerk: Jun 9, 2013

Can I have a cartoon face character guy?

I'm the Dallas Cowdoys

# ? Mar 12, 2021 22:34

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Alright, so it’s time to discuss free agency.

Weird that you waited until after the first day to discuss it.

Yeah… “weird.”

Anyway, as usual gently caress you for not franchising Lawson.

We hope to sign him in FA.

Are you gonna pay him like a top 10 End?

He doesn’t deserve that deal.

One of the 31 other teams will disagree with you.

So breaking down the roster, I have rated all the existing players using the following rating:

Exceptional is a player who would start for virtually any team and is a significant improvement from an average starter. A quality player is a noticeable improvement on the average, a top 10 guy at his role. Average is a player who is not a problem, inadequate is a problem. An unknown player, unless otherwise stated, is someone who could be either adequate or inadequate. Exceptional potential means that the player has a floor as a quality player but could be a true blue chip. Potential quality is a guy who has a floor of adequate but could be quality.

I have separated my starters from my backups. Some players exist as starters and as backups, if there’s a realistic chance of them being ether. Defense is broken up at the line for run and pass defense, as there are players on the roster who are significantly better at run defense and I wanted to reflect that.

We are missing multiple starters on the Offensive line. Depending on where you rate Tee, we are also lacking a true #1 or #2. I personally think Tee and Boyd are good enough that we can get away with a less capable wide receiver alongside them, as long as they are a real deep threat.

We also need depth on the offensive line, but I don’t hate our existing options at line as backups. The biggest problem is that no one on the entire roster plays naturally at right guard.

Our defense would look relatively OK IF we had retained WJIII and Lawson. If that had been the case really slot and edge would be our only screaming needs. They’re both probably out the door. As is we have no effective pass rusher. DJ Reader has the potential to be a solid interior rusher and there’s a chance Atkins bounces back, but on the outside everyone on the roster is a run specialist. We badly need ends. Our linebacker room has a lot of potential, I am bullish on Marcus Bailey.

Our depth at D is lamentable. Outside interior defensive line I wouldn’t feel good having more than one or two of these guys on a 53.

To be tolerable as a team to watch we need to find at least adequate starters at five or six positions. We do not have a right guard, right tackle, slot corner, deep boundary receiver, edge (honestly we need two ends) and slot corner. The #1 priority is stopping Burrow from having to play with a 1 second pocket again. Realistically we could have an incredibly productive draft and Free Agency and still be an uncompetitive franchise next year. I would focus on fixing the offense, that would give us 3 years to figure out the D on Joe’s rookie deal. I’d sign multiple OL, at least one guard and tackle and still draft at least one 1-3 round OL. Tre is not a bad starter, but he had an ACL week 17. We are going to need multiple receivers by the end of the offseason, so signing a speedy guy with a reasonable contract should be the second biggest priority. After that you look at end and corner.

Essential Free Agents:

Adequate or better right tackle
Adequate or better guard
Role playing WR (speed)

Competitive free agents:

Pass rushing End
Slot corner

Priority upgrades:

Center
Box safety
Perimeter corner

Depth needed:

WR
Corner

Luxury signings:

TE
Quality WR

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I just don’t see this roster being 8-8 even in a best case scenario. We need to raise the defense past a level where joe is throwing the ball 70 times a game, but I can’t see us making them good this year.

Lou says otherwise.

He is, was, and will be utterly incompetant. If we find a decent guard and tackle we can avoid having Joe literally die on the field, and that’s honestly the best we can realistically hope for.

We can draft Sewell and a guard.

Everyone and their mother will know we want Sewell. If we don’t have an answer at OL we’re begging to be sniped, anyways OL are rarely day one starters and we have terrible luck with rookie injuries. It just sucks that we couldn’t snag Zeitler, but I’m sure we at least made a competitive offer.

Yes I agree, incidentally don’t look at twitter.

https://twitter.com/TheTylerDragon/status/1371599061548142592

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Free Agency wrap up ~4/1

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 21, 2021

# ? Mar 16, 2021 01:17

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

: So Free agency is wrapping up, and here�s the summary:

Presumed starter:

Trey Hendrickson, DE
Chidobe Awuzie, CB, (second boundary corner)
Mike Hilton, CB (slot)
Kevin Huber, P
Larry Ogunjobi, 3 DT
Riley Reiff, RT (maybe RG depending on draft)

Presumed backup:

Mike Daniels, 3 DT
Ricardo Allen, S
Eli Apple, CB
Jordan Evans, LB (ST)
Samaje Perine, RB
Quinton Spain, G
Mike Thomas, WR
Brandon Wilson, S (primary returner)

Roster filler:

Amani Bledsoe, DE
Jalen Davis, CB

: And here�s the updated visualization of the roster

Backup defense:

Backup offense:

Starting defense:

Starting offense:

: This is a failure.

: What? We were super active, look how much better your stupid little chart looks now!

: You gave Lou 10 bodies, including the only multi-year contracts we issued. You gave a whopping 4 external free agents to Lou -JUST IN THE SECONDARY- while giving our offense one external free agent on a one year deal. I�m not even going to bother breaking down the defense, we broke the bank to give a terrible coordinator the pieces to run a zone D without a pass rush.

: Riley Reiff is a good player at a position of need.

: He�s a good player at a position of need, meanwhile we don�t have a single natural right guard on the entire roster. In addition to that we don�t have a single receiver on the roster capable of stretching the field.

: The draft is how we address the offense. We can get a guard or a tackle and a receiver. People didn�t take our offers at OL.

: Multiple linemen have said or have had their people say we lowballed them.

: No one should pay more than four million a year for a guard.

: God I hate you, I bet you try to haggle at the grocer- ah who am I kidding, you haven�t gone to a store yourself probably in 40 years.

: So, moving on to the draft, what you have done is weirdly spectacular. All inclinations are that we will have our pick of Chase or Sewell at 5. They�re both arguably generational talents at major needs. What you�ve done is turn one of the most fortunate situations a team has had in the draft in years into a situation where we look stupid no matter what we do.

: It�s Chase.

: If we pick Chase people will rightly crucify us for seemingly deliberately looking to get our quarterback killed. And they�ll be entirely correct. If we pick Sewell there is not a clear separator on the roster, which means Joe holds the ball longer, which means the line will look worse while it�s developing. It�s somehow a lose/lose despite the fact that two people seemingly made for us are probably available. God I hate your asinine ideas on player value.

: There is way better depth on offensive line in this draft than at receiver.

: I agree with you, and I�ll get into that, but we�re going to need to find, at a minimum, one starter. I will not feel good without two, a right AND left guard. ZSF is not an average starter, he�s also got massive injury concerns. Isaiah Prince and Hakeem Adeniji MIGHT be OK depth, POTENTIALLY. Williams and Hopkins both have major availability concerns. We�re past the point where we control our own destiny on the line, honestly, even if we do sell out on it in the draft.

: Chase will do more for our team both now and in the future than a right tackle would in Sewell.

: We think Williams is destined to be the LT forever, RIGHT NOW. I don�t disagree that when healthy he�s been a solid pass blocker. I�m not married to him at LT through 2035.

: Listen, you want Chase or bust at 5? Go get Trai Turner. He�s not clearly a good starter anymore, but he�s not BAD and it�s a good backup in case we don�t find a plug and play guy at 38. You sign Trai and I will be 100% on board with Chase at 5 and the best fat man left at 38. Until then Jury�s out.

: Will he take a 2 million dollar deal?

Up next: General overview of draft and goals. ~4/10

# ? Apr 1, 2021 23:41

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

OK, so we�ve gotten to the actual point of this exercise now, the Cincinatti Bangles draft class of 2021. Everything up until now was to provide context for the simul-draft we�ll be running in late April. It�s worth re-hashing the way the draft will work:

I will make picks while the Bengals are on the clock and prior to them being announced.
I can not initiate trades, but if the Bengals make a trade I can choose to use or veto it. If there�s a delay in announced compensation I�ll make a conditional selection.
I am avoiding any players with character or injury concerns in the early rounds as I can�t vet players.
Players the Bengals select have to be removed from my board as it�s impossible to know when they would have gone.
After the draft concludes I can select up to 4 players on my board or previously marked as priority free agents.

The big conversation for the Bangles is Sewell vs Chase. I personally like Pitts as much or more than Chase in a vacuum, but due to the needs on the roster Chase makes more sense for us. After the line our biggest need is someone on the periphery who can drive coverage down the field and make for softer defenses in the box and in the intermediate parts of the field. Pitts likely can do that, but I expect Chase will be superior at it. I personally would be in favor of a trade down to 10 or 11 if available. I like both Slater and Vera-Tucker and one would be there. I would LOVE to have an extra two and three in this class.

Pitts doesn�t make sense for us at this time. I also have no intention of trading down, the team needs blue chip players more than it needs a large and unpredictable draft class that may not have any stand-outs.

I�m absolutely on board with sticking and picking, and I also expect one or both of Sewell and Chase to be there. Depending on the outcome at #5 overall my remaining strategy doesn�t change much. If it�s Chase I can tell you right now the #38 will be O-line, ideally a plug and play guard. If it�s Sewell I�m almost certainly taking a guard with the #38, but it does open the draft up if someone I like falls. I don�t like the day 2 receivers, but I like some day 3 guys. I see the priorities of this draft class as follows:

Mandatory:

1 Plug and play guard: Sua Filo is not a starter in my opinion but he�s not game destroying like our other guards. We absolutely need one starter, ideally a natural right guard. (1.5-4, Leatherwood, Slater, Vera-Tucker, Carman)
2a true #1 X receiver: I see Tee as a #2, and it would be much easier on the offense as a whole if there was a guy who could develop into a person who can run multiple defenders down the field. (1, Chase)

And/or
2b speed boundary player: It could be potentially valuable to know whether Tee is a real #1 prior to his second contract. What the Bengals need at WR is someone who can run goes and posts and can beat press often enough that defenses have to take them somewhat seriously. There are guys like that in the later rounds. I would strongly consider double-dipping for another guy like this with one of our two 6ths or our seventh if the player had special teams promise. (3-7, Brown, Smith Marsette, Fehoko, Imatorbhebhe, Adams, Bussey Jr., Stevenson)
3a Developmental tackle (ideally with upside at guard): Reiff is a rental. If we hit with our guard and don't double-dip we�re going into next year with at least two holes on the line, which I want to avoid at all costs. Ideally this player can either kick Reiff inside to guard or (like Whitworth and Tunsil) spend a year at guard and then move outside. (1-4, Sewell, Mayfield, Little, Radunz)

And/or
3b Developmental or risk/reward guard: Most of the tackles with any promise are very much early round guys. Sorting out the inside and going into 2022 looking for a tackle isn�t the end of the world, as long as it�s one position. (3-5, Smith, Meinerz, Brown, Banks)

Priority:

4 pass rushing specialist End/Tackle: Another good double dipping opportunity. This class has a few mid round options that show promise. I would rather spend less in draft capital for a guy who isn�t close to a finished product but has a higher ceiling. We�re unlikely to be competitive next season, and folks who aren�t ready can still be valuable in subpackages (2-6, End: Rousseau, Basham, Smith, Weaver, Cooper // 3-5 IDL: Milton, McNeill, Stills)
5 Run specialist at LB or Safety: While the linebackers the Bangles have on roster were expected to contribute vs the run they actually have largely shown to be better in coverage. Ever since Burfict lost his mind we�ve lost a thumper that can reliably fill gaps in the run game. Bell is the only box safety on the roster. (3-6 LB: McGrone, Moses, Hillard // 4-6 S: Bledsoe, Hufanga)

Luxury/depth

Developmental center, TE (receiving), 3rd down back -thanks for cutting Gio without needing the money, assholes-, backup QB, nickel corner depth, developmental guard, slot receiver depth

I consider it absolutely necessary to come away with two linemen who can be expected to play as starters by next year and at least one speed receiver. After that I intend on more or less a BPA philosophy. I am giving the edge to offense, partly as defense was over-represented in Free Agency and partly because the #1 priority is Joe�s development. I see the Chase route as higher in ceiling but a much greater risk.

Up next: priority players

# ? Apr 9, 2021 22:45

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Is he gone?

That guy never shuts up, huh? Lapp Ham here, and as long as Mike keep slipping me the key to the draft room I�ll be giving you the inside information on the Bangles draft board. I�m sure there would be a ton of caveats about it not being a finished product, but let�s talk about how this� product got made and how to read it.

This guy trawled a bunch of public sources of boards and scouting websites (he�s got some weird hangup with the NFL website, don�t ask) and averaged the boards and player rankings to create a master expected draft order. He says in the week prior to the draft he�s going to add a bunch more rankings and update the existing ones.

He then went position to position, and summarized a couple different sources for write-ups on each prospect. He says if he�s not finding something to distract him the ants �go from crawling to biting,� so that�s probably why he�s spent a couple dozen hours on this project. He then ranked them by round he�d currently be comfortable taking each prospect by and gave a letter ranking to narrow it down to a big board (with one larger list with prospects he wants to look deeper into but doesn�t intend to include at this time). Eventually these two rankings will be replaced by a single ranking.

My understanding is that he hasn�t given a firm ranking to this board yet. He also just got the big scouting PDF from the Athletic that he believes will heavily alter/influence his current rankings. Without any more explanation, here�s the entire board:

Have a great night, everyone.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 22:55

barnold: Dec 16, 2011; what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot

I love this thread

# ? Apr 16, 2021 18:39

Quiet Feet: Dec 14, 2009; THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?

Also just posting to say I am reading and enjoying this thread.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 19:45

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Appreciated. I was actually planning on posting my breakdown of the offensive prospects tonight but at some point I realized I'd accidentally deleted my breakdown on guards. Maybe that's what happened to our free agency?

Tomorrow night.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 01:44

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

: ... And then as I'm looking at my finishing touches for my WRs I realize I had accidentally deleted all of my write ups for guard.

: I've told you at least six times that I don't care.

: and then as I'm re-writing the guards, bear in mind position groups take a good 90 minutes, someone shows me a thing from one of my sources where he has this super bigoted "mock draft" for Emmit Smith where the joke is just a few hundred typos.

: Oh, yeah, Walter Football is awful, everyone knows that.

: ... You don't use the internet.

: I am part of everyone.

: I didn't have a ton of respect for his opinions but I don't like only having two sources for analysis, will just have to figure something out.

I've got my board ordered for my offensive position players.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/bigboard/IPEA3vJ6Hv

I have a few clusters that I'm not certain of:

Toney/Bateman/Marshall, WR
If I go Sewell round one I think it's very possible one of these guys is available at the 38. At this point I prefer Marshall, but I don't anticipate that Toney is limited to the slot and I don't hate Bateman. If Leatherwood and Jenkins are gone and one or more of these players are available I would be very tempted, however at this moment if multiple are available I'm not certain who I'd favor.

Carman/Mayfield/Radunz, OT/G
I could see a couple of these players available round 3 and I don't have much to differentiate them. They all seem fairly developmental. I think I favor Radunz.

Schwartz/Fehoko/Smith-Marsette/Imatorbhebhe, WR
My favorite of the non-first round receivers is probably Nico Collins. That said, these guys all have interesting potential as developmental players. I think I prefer S-M and Imatorbhebhe, but I have no idea where S-M goes and I feel like I would overdraft Imatorbhebhe as I see everything from 3rd round to undrafted.

Notable ommisions:

I took some players off my board due to injury concerns

Injury: Dickerson, Friermuth

Some players that are considered prestige picks I left off my board in the first place:

Waddle - At that draft position I want a more complete route runner
Darrisaw - I can't see him outlasting Leatherwood, who I would take over him
Eichenberg - I've seen some concerns he might struggle outside left tackle, and they make sense to me.

And there are some linemen I may add to my board:
Cosmi - I find him redundant compared to players on my board already
Davis - Ohio state offensive line... *shudder*
Brown (Northern Iowa) - I feel like he'll be drafted too high for me, I'd like him in 4-5.
Cleveland - I likely will add him at some point

You'll probably notice I only have 1 QB - an undrafted one at that - 4 HB and 4 TE on my board. It's a combination of need and value. I don't like the TE class, I am loath to spend draft capital on what will likely be the #3 QB, and at HB I like Doaks the most of all the guys I could see myself taking, and he should be undrafted. I will say, if Carter makes it to 4 I will probably take him.

# ? Apr 20, 2021 01:42

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Well, shoot, he posted his own board? Ah well, I was hoping to have the scoop on that but I guess I'll have to settle on his comprehensive notes he used to arrange it. His format is weird, but it boils down to this:

Position name, college || age || height weight 40/reps
Positional ranking, Positional ranking, Positional ranking
1st source: projected round, Summary
2nd source: projected round, Summary
3rd source: projected round, Summary

write up posted:

*Snip*

: Remember, this is just offensive positions, he's likely to add about 30-35 defensive prospects.

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Apr 26, 2021

# ? Apr 20, 2021 02:42

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

: I've finished my board. Obviously it will be tweaked but I feel good about it.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/bigboard/IPEA3vJ6Hv

: I want to try it on a few different mock sites, I used DN as my first resource and it's likely colored my expectations, even though my ordering is significantly different than theirs. I ran two mocks to test them, the rules I set for myself were that I couldn't jump a player with the same position or take a selection more than 4 spots down my board. I intentionally began one with Chase and one with Sewell, and I allowed myself a trade for the second if it was appealing as the Bangles have a history of doing just that.

*****

CHASE:

5: Jamarr Chase - likely to be a clear #1 receiver

38: (trade 38 for 46 and 120)

46: Dillon Radunz - G/T, right side, rated higher in pass pro, jury out on ability to start this year

69: Milton Williams - 3DT, Instant quality depth, incredible tools, potential to be a high quality starter

111: Aaron Banks - Compete for start at RG, good scheme fit, likely a limited ceiling

120: Rashad Weaver - Good base end, struggles with pad level, probably limited ceiling, will rotate right away

149: Garret Wallow - solid run defending LB, fits a hole in existing talent, needs to develop

190: Josh Imatorbhebhe - Potential to contribute as a receiver, floor is a quality ST player

202: Shakur Brown - developmental, potential to overplay draft position, our depth is solid, makes sense to take a risk

235: *a kicker* - kickers don't exist in this mock. Dude from Miami, dude from Pitt if Miami was picked. Doaks would have been my selection barring a kicker,

UDFA

Whop Phylor - WR depth for the slot position

Jimmy Morrissey - Backup center, developmental

Feleipe Franks - tell me a sad story about a practice squad QB

Shawn Davis - Good depth at S

Strengths: high potential in this draft class. Between Banks and Radunz someone should be able to fill our hole at RG. pass rush looks promising.

Weaknesses: a lot of player I don't believe will fall fell, If Banks isn't able to start Radunz is unlikely to. One end is a risk. Was counting on Doaks to go undrafted but the rear end in a top hat Saints nabbed him.

*****

SEWELL:

5 - Penei Sewell - Right side, if he's ready to play tackle he'll play tackle.

38 - Terrace Marshall Jr - capable of stretching the field, made the most sense with the avail players, would have taken Tryon or Leatherwood over him

69 - Milton Williams - Debated him vs Brevin Jordan

111 - Aaron Banks - if he makes it to this pick I'm likely to take him 9 times out of ten, debated Jordan Smith and Ihmir S-M

149 - Rashad Weaver - DN is too low on him, I don't expect him to make the 5th irl

190 - Simi Fehoko - I see him as similar to Imatorbhebhe but with a bit more upside at WR.

202 - Garret Wallow - I really like this guy. Surprised he made it past the 5th, he spent ages as the top projected LB

235: Gerrid Doaks - I like Doaks as a very balanced late round RB, somewhat limited as a receiver, but a very good blocker.

UDFA

Deommodore Lenoir - Good bottom-of-the-roster zone corner.

*a kicker* - Dude from Pitt

Willaim Bradley-King- DE depth.

Whop Phylor - backup slot

Strengths: we should be able to have a solid starting five OL with a quality backup. Marshall, Fehoko and Phylor fill out the WR room nicely.

Weaknesses: same lack of depth at end, I was counting on Morrisey to be undrafted for center depth, means Price will be center #2 again this year.

*****

: I will say, the trade down was way, way more appealing with the Chase draft, not because there was a wealth of great O-line options but because the only one left (Radunz) that I felt good with was much less likely to go by the mid 40s than Marshall. Without the trade I prefer the Sewell draft, with the trade I probably lean Chase but not by much.

: Radunz has the potential to be really good in the gap scheme Zac likes, I think you're dramatically underselling what we can do with Chase as the first pick.

: the Chase draft relies on players falling who reliably fall in DN that I doubt will fall in reality. The guys I rely on being there at 111 in that situation on the interior have much higher grades on average. DN has edge players like Weaver and Jordan Smith waaaaay below the trend.

: Who the hell is Garret Wallow?

: I'm not sold on our options for run defense in space, there are a few guys like Bledsoe, Wallow, Moses and Hufanga who have potential as second level run defenders. Wallow is just the one who seems like the best value at the minute.

: I'm bored. Goodnight.

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# ? Apr 25, 2021 04:19

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

: Hello, everyone. I don't have much tonight, just this guy's complete notes organized by value.

board posted:

**** T Penei Sewell, Oregon || 20|| 6’4 331 30 ****

EH 5, Ath 1, DN 1 || Obvious starter at guard/tackle year 1, extremely high ceiling, RG/RT 1

EH: 85, + excellent power and str, quick sets and active hands, footwork, - finisher, speediest rushers.

Ath: 1, hs guard, +++ ath, great mobility pass pro, tremendous second level, Rt/LT exp, somewhat limited as finisher

DN: 1, ++ run blocking, athletic, some spotty technique, like as guard and tackle

**** WR Ja’Marr Chase, LSU || 21 || 6’0 201 4.34 ****

EH 2(fl), ATH 1, DN 2 || Very safe pick, true 1, only concern is vs press, perfect fit for wr need

EH: 88, + ++ acceleration, separation, hand/eye coordination, focus, finds gaps in zone, versatility, - press, rerouted

ATH: 1, “elite” toughness, body control, tracking, attacking football, led college in ya contact in ’19, bt, tips routes, flags?

DN: 1, routes, hands and blocking, YAC

**** TE Kyle Pitts, Florida || 20 || 6’5 245 4.4 ****

EH 1(F), ATH 1, DN 1|| #1 prospect potential, multipositional, could be #1 TE and/or #1 speed wr option

EH: 88, + outstanding athlete and receiver, better blocker than advertised, focus and jump ball – blk tech

ATH: 1, Lean and issues with contact, get in the way blocker Special athlete, move TE #2 overall

DN: 1, #3 prospect (Sewell), incredible size/ath, willing blocker, encourages snaps as WR and TE

**** G Rashawn Slater, Northwestern || 22 || 6’4 304 ****

EH 4(t), ATH 2 (t), DN 2 (t) || I see as LG, mobility and versatility, plug and play. Similar to Williams

EH: 85, + quickness and athleticism, versatility, movement, punch and pass, - hand placement

ATH: 1, excellent technique and hands, move blocker and good in second level, length concerns

DN: 1, #3 lineman, ideal center, scheme diverse, fundamentals, comp is Jonah Williams

**** WR DeVonta Smith, Alabama || 22 || 6’0 “170” N/A ****

EH 1 (se), ATH 3, DN 3 || Size does not seem to be limitation, great fit for need, 1a/1b boundary

EH: 90, +acceleration and speed, explosive, routes and leverage, release, blocking (?), -bulk, str

ATH: 1, “near elite” ball skills, competitive, ballerina feet, Z, temperamental

DN: 1, “maxed out” Cath in traffic and routes

**** G Alijah Vera-Tucker, USC || 21 || 6’4 308 32 ****

EH 3, ATH 1, DN 1 || pro-bowl level LG, potential higher than slater imo, less versatility. Plug/play

EH: 86, + technician, pass set and punch, quick in run game, good mobility, high upside. – speed rushers

ATH: 1, balanced and patient, generates movement, looks for work and is good with stunts, needs sink.

DN: 1, Exceptional athlete and mobility, balanced, competitive, left guard, zone

**** E Joe Tryon, Washington || 22 || 6’5 259 4.65 7.18 22 ****

EH 1ER, ATH 5, DN 5 || extremely high potential, can rotate and likely to be obv starter eventually

EH: 86, + speed to power, production, tools, explosion, vision and pursuit, - double teams

Ath: 1-2, action figure frame, stunt/loop agility, heavy tackler, competitive and coachable, low power

DN: 1, versatile, fluid, edge setter, high upside, needs weight for end.

**** G Alex Leatherwood, Alabama || 22 || 6’4 312 n/a ****

EH 9(t), ATH 3, DN 10 (t) || likely day 1 starter at either guard position, unlikely avail at 38 eventual T?

EH: 82, + Consistent pass pro, hands athleticism and anchor, - inconsistent vs run.

ATH: 1-2, durable, light feet, good base, exp T/G, great vision, stiffness, needs to clean up hands, day 1 G

DN: 1-2, G/T Great frame not exceptional strength, aggressiveness, issues adjusting

**** T Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma State || 23 || 6’5 317 36 ****

EH 20, ATH 4, DN 4 || I may drop him, concerns w/ pass, potentially a Hart style T, +run—pass risk

EH: 76.5, + right tackle, run blocker, heavy punch, - plays heavy, on ground

ATH: 1-2, 36 reps, thick, violent position physicality, ++ run blocker,- technique vs speed, hip injury, consistency issues.

DN: 1, back issues, extreme physicality, developmental

**** WR Terrace Marshall Jr., LSU || 20 || 6’2 205 4.4 ****

EH 4(fl), ATH 7, DN 5 || likely a #2, plug/play, can stretch the field, adequate for need, Awkward if Tee isn’t a #1

EH: 78.5, + yac, big play, box out, versatility, stretch vertical, - iffy routes, vs press

ATH: 2, High level HS recruit, good frame, produces in end zone, some drops, questionable blocking

DN: 2, slot + outside, iffy blocker, exceptional production

**** WR Rashod Bateman, Minnesota || 21 || 6’0 190 4.41 ****

EH 6(fl), ATH 5, DN 4 || slight risk, potential true #1, perfect fit for need, I don’t expect to be avail at 38

EH: 77.5, + smooth/acceleration, elusive, versatility, + release, athleticism, - tips routes, drops, str

ATH: 1-2, great route runner, sells double moves, less acceleration

DN 1, toughness, routes and ball skills. Excellent release

**** T Dillon Radunz, North Dakota State || 23 || 6’5 301 24 ****

EH 10, ATH 9, DN 5 || questions vs pass, risk, unlikely to be day 1 starter, good ceiling

EH: 81.5, + Anchor, core str, combo blocker, washes and attacks defenders, -too patient, hand placement

ATH: 2-3, low hs recruit, Good vs speed rushers, physicality, good production, balance issues, developmental

DN: 2, great run blocker, power scheme

**** DT Christian Barmore, Alabama || 21 || 6’4 310 4.97, NA ****

EH 4DT,ATH 1, DN 2 || risk/reward guy, luxury pick, unlikely to be the best option for us while avail

EH: 77.5, + First step, power, pursuit, - raw technique, pad level

ATH: 1, explosive, great vision, forces fumbles, has moves, weight issues? Late developer, questions on run.

DN: 1, 3, strong hands, weak vs double teams, less developed technique

**** E Gregory Rousseau, Miami || 21 || 6’6 266 4.67 7.5 21 ****

EH 9 ER, ATH 6, DN 4 || risk is he’s a clean up production guy, great tools, 3, not 2, can drop, instant rotation piece

EH: 74.5, + uses length well, athleticism, can drop, active and pursuit, - raw, burst, plays high, needs speed

ATH: 2, first step, great frame, vision and agility, needs strength, needs technique, bit upright

DN: 2, very developmental, -technique, ++ ath/size, scheme versatile,

**** LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa || 21 || 6’4 259 4.65 NA ****

EH 1, Ath 3, DN 4 || would have to drop remarkably to be in play, not a great fit for need but could be our best lb

EH: 85, + instincts, length, man and zone, beats traffic, - not explosive, run d, rushing

Ath: 1-2, excellent athlete, prolific tackler, range and attacks ball, not great reading play

DN: 1, multiple, well rounded, solid athlete, good vision

**** WR Kadarius Toney, Florida || 22 || 5’11 193 4.37 ****

EH 3(fl), ATH 4, DN 6 || Big risk/reward, some feel he can play outside, some not. Slot= awkward X=great

EH: 80, + +++ yac, quickness and elusiveness, acceleration, hands, versatility, -routes, acceleration from break, press

ATH: 1-2, extremely elusive, start stop, experience outside and as punt returner, can throw, route and press, needs dvp

DN: 2, vertical and elusive, good hands, limited as route runner, character concern is having a gun (this is America)

**** CB Kelvin Joseph, Kentucky || 21 || 5’11 197 4.34 7.21 ****

EH 5B, ATH 8, DN 16 || worth it if he falls, potential #1 corner, hard to justify over a need at his draft position

EH: 79, + polish, Patient, technician, length good press, ball skills, - peeking, footwork/agility

ATH: 2, Loose hipped, twitch/speed, versatile and has ball skills, capable tackler, penalties, risk/reward

DN: 2, boundary, developmental, + length, + ball skills, zone guy

**** LBM Nick Bolton, Missouri || 21 || 5’11 237 4.59 7.4 ****

EH 8(I), Ath 5, DN 8|| great to fill run stuffing LB hole. If he falls. Bit of a luxury pick, We play Bal/Cle 4 games

EH: 76, + vision size and athleticism, good zone and hips, acceleration, - size

Ath: 2, feet and play speed, attacks run in backfield, good reads and hands, maxed out frame, no make up speed

DN: 2, Mike, Big hitter, built, ++zone, vision?, +blitzer

**** TE Brevin Jordan, Miami || 20 || 6’2 247 4.67 ****

EH 2 (H), ATH 3, DN 3 || Very appealing prospect, bit redundant w/ existing roster, luxury, if he falls. versatile

EH: 77.5, + routes, change of direction, YAC, vertical, flex / H – blocking consistency, conditioning/durability

ATH: 2-3, excellent athlete, speed translates, physicality, frame may be weak for blocking, body language tips routes

DN: 2-3, TE/WR, + YAC and routes, Competitive blocker but not capable, F

**** S Jevon Holland, Oregon || 21 || 6’0 207 4.46 na ****

EH 5C, ATH 3, DN 2 || potential upgrade from Bell, run stuffer, high ceiling, would have to fall.

EH: 79.5, + ball skill, solid in run, awareness and zone, st – man (handsy), strength

Ath: 2-3, fluid, great ability to challenge catches, aggressive and violent vs run, not fully developed but great promise

DN: 2 multi-scheme/position, loose hips, ++pass, vision

**** WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina || 21 || 6’0 189 4.44 ****

EH 5(se), ATH 9, DN 8 || Last of the potential #1 guys (ceiling only), effective speed, capable of drawing deep cvg.

EH: 80.5, + fluidity, split/flanker, release and accel, hands w/wo contact, body control, - physicality

ATH: 2-3, accelerator, + double move, fluid, hands, effort blocker, issues w/ tracking, concentration drops, big play guy

DN: 2, great production, vertical receiver, developmental in route running

**** DT 3/5 Milton Williams, Louisiana Tech || 22 || 6’3 284 4.63(!) 34 ****

EH 3 DT, ATH 4, DN 4 || Draft crush, ++ potential as 3. low floor. Day 1 rotational, likely to start quickly. Pass rush

EH 79.5, + versatility, hands, very quick, multi-technique, - needs more weight

ATH: 2-3, room to fill frame, lateral range, improvement in conditioning and play, multi alignment, leverage issues

DN: 2-3, 3/5, ++ vs run, ++ath, twitch, technique?

**** G Jalen Mayfield, Michigan || 20 || 6’5 326 NA ****

EH 23(t), ATH 4, DN 7 (t) || potential to play T, likely better as RG. Gamble to expect him to start early.

EH: 74.5, + excellent Run game, patient vs pass movement, g? – slow in pass (intentional?) anchor

ATH: 2, + run game and hands/punch, mean/finisher, good vs blitzers, feet issues, length, guard, development.

DN: 3, Performed well against NFL edge play, right tackle/G, limited athlete but good production

**** ¾ Edge Joseph Ossai, Texas || 21|| 6’3 256 4.62 na 19 ****

EH 12ER, ATH 8, DN 7 || Unlikely to be avail when I’d take him, requires development (rotation day 1?), boom/bust

EH, 74 + athleticism and versatility, olb/edge, zone, length, acceleration, - strength, pad level, no plan

ATH: 2, relentless, great acceleration, balanced w/ powerful hands, not an elite bender, limited technique

DN: 2, stand up, +ath + motor, ball production, can drop, 3-4olb

**** LBW Jamin Davis, Kentucky || 22 || 6’3 234 4.47 NA ****

EH 14, Ath 4, DN 6 || Very much a luxury pick. +++ ceiling, hard to see us taking him in most situations

EH: 74.5,+ athlete, fluidity, zone/man, leverage, flexibility, - underweight, needs better hand usage

Ath: 1-2, rangy and long, great reader of defense and block shedding, good zone and gap shooting, tackling issues

DN: 1-2, Riser, Will, +length and explosiveness, developmental, -block shedding, -vision

**** C Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater || 22 || 6’2 320 n/a ****

EH 4, ATH 2, PFF 2 || Great insurance for Hopkins, LG/C flexibility, low floor, high ceiling, may be liability at day 1

EH: 76.5, + senior bowl, G/C, strength poa, footwork, - pad level, needs continued development

ATH: 2(54) Glowing review of technique, G/C flexibility, questions about recovery and vs NFL talent

DN: 3, ideal body type for guard, LG, -ath, +mentality, Some balance issues, gap scheme

**** Base E Payton Turner, Houston ||22 || 6’5 270 na na ****

EH 2DE, ATH 9, DN 12|| Write up reminds me of Dunap, has tools? Day 1 rotation guy, high ceiling

EH: 81, + “chaos on wheels “motor, energy, versatility, speed to power, - high, double teams

ATH: 2-3, very long, visible improvement on technique, violent hands and good pursuit, captain, too tall

DN: 2, scheme versatile but best as 4/3 end, + tools/motor, -technique, developmental

**** WR Nico Collins, Michigan || 22 || 6’4 215 4.45 ****

EH 17 (se), ATH 13, DN 11 || projection based on tools and poor qb play, take if he falls, don’t reach, #2 speed guy

EH: 75, + release, quickness and burst, route leverage and set up, red zone, not afraid of contact, - zone, box out

ATH: 3, good athlete, vertical speed, good at selling routes, high pointer, inconsistent blocker

DN: 3, limited by QB play, vertical threat, good ball skills, X

**** HB Michael Carter, North Carolina || 21 || 5’7 201 4.5 ****

EH 2, ATH 5, DN 4 || Great fit if he falls, not before 4th, luxury pick

EH: 82, + fluid runner, burst and explosion, A+ footwork, protection, receiving, - impatient, str

ATH: 3-4, Patient, great vision, cutter, good pass protection, build issues

DN: 3, lean, inside/outside runner, patient, good blocker

**** S(n) Ifeatu Melifonwu, Syracuse || 21 || 6’2 205 4.48 7.01 ****

EH 3FCB, Ath 10 (cb), DN 7 (cb) || my favorite nickel in the class, luxury pick.

EH: 79, + versatile, acceleration and support, ball skills, - awkward backpedal

ATH: 2, size/build/length, plays football and good in cvg, flags, consistency issues

DN: 3, cb/s, ++ size, physical and ath, zone corner, +run, ok press, -spacing, high ceiling

**** CB Paulson Adebo, Stanford || 21 || 6’1 198 4.44 6.69 ****

EH 8F, ATH 12, DN 9 || Seems like a good zone corner, versatile and high ceiling, luxury

EH: 75.5, + explosive, great recovery, transitions, blitzer, great ball skills, - acceleration, technique

Ath: 2-3, production, ball skills, press, highly productive, stiff lower body

DN: 3, loose hips, +ag, +zone and ball skills, high football iq

**** LBW Chazz Surratt, North Carolina || 24 || 6’2 229 4.59 7.04 ****

EH 2(i), Ath 8, DN 10 || Not a great fit, luxury pick, good selection if he falls.

EH: 84, + outstanding athlete w/ big upside burst and pressure, chaser w/ cvg, - not a good rusher, hands

Ath: 3, NFL athlete, pursuit, good coverage and aggression, poor play vs run

DN: 3, Pursuit, developmental, +production, +backfield play, OK cvg, + ath

**** Base E Carlos Basham Jr, Wake Forrest || 23 || 6’3 270 4.59 7.13 20 ****

EH 4ER, ATH 7, DN 9 || potentially limited ceiling but good plug in rotational base end.

EH: 79, + feet/hands, quickness, locked in, through whistle, burst and fluidity, - length, power

ATH: 2, Nimble, reads, balanced, improved hands and natural power, relentless, stiff and wasted movement

DN: 2, 4-3 end, power, good technique, needs improvement run recognition

**** G Jackson Carman, Clemson || 21 || 6’4 317 NA ****

EH 22(t), ATH 8, DN 9 (t) ||  developmental, will need to sit. High ceiling, scheme fit if he develops.

EH: 74.5, + core, first contact, movement skills, r/t t, - hands, sloppy footwork, holder

ATH: 3, Good frame / power, good kickslide/ hands, drive blocker w/ low stance, lunger, holder, gap guard but no exp.

DN: 3, exceptional size, power, OK mobility, technique, weaknesses w/ edge, guard? RG gap scheme, great fit.

**** T Brady Christensen, BYU || 24 || 6’5 301 30 ****

EH 3, ATH 8, DN 13|| consolation prize. Developmental, likely safe as G dept at worst case, won’t start right away

EH: 85, + technician, consistency, recovery, mobility and vision, - late hands, whiffs sometimes in space

ATH: 2-3, Great feet, flexible and good in second level short arms, late punch, overshooter, probable starter

DN: 2-3, limited athlete, RT/G, + size and intelligence

**** S Talanoa Hufanga, USC || 21 || 6’0 199 4.63 6.96 ****

EH 6S, ATH 10, DN 9 || S/LB run support tweener, valuable piece. Potential low ceiling.

EH: 78, + vision, versatile, sam, pursuit, - fixated on backfield, sometimes out of position

Ath: 4-5, great reads, solid tackler, not an elite athlete, shoulder injury (collarbone)

DN: 4, Faller, multi-positional, violent and instinctive, developing as pass cvg

**** C Josh Myers, tOSU ||22 || 6’5 310 29 ****

EH 1, ATH 3, PFF 4, DN 6 (iol) || divisive prospect, debatable whether he’s a C only or C/G, probably can start early

EH: 89, + technician, athletic, can move for screen and zone, core/power, - late hands

ATH: 2-3 high recruit, C/G, climber, good recovery and technique, limited mobility and bad angles Projected starter

DN: 3 good lateral mobility and size, poor in space, starter but potentially low ceiling

**** E Jordan Smith, UAB || 23 || 6’6 255 NA na na ****

EH 10O, ATH 17, DN 13 || tools guy, potential steal. May need development even to rotate.

EH: 76, + Length, acceleration, upside, - unsure in zone, balance, pad level

ATH: 4, long and limber, great agility and acceleration, pursuit, developmental in terms of hands and power

DN: 3-4, motor and tools, raw, developmental, high ceiling

**** WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Iowa || 21 || 6’0 181 4.47 ****

EH 8(fl), ATH 37, DN 16 || fast enough for our purposes, #2, DUI, great routes – particularly post and doubles

EH: 75.5, + press footwork, routes, speed, return game, -str through contact, poor reads vs zone

ATH: 7, quick, vertical routes, some character issues, needs work on ball skills

DN: 6, speed, vertical receiver, limited by qb play, limited strength, dui

**** DT (n, 1) Alim McNeill, NC State || 20 || 6’1 317 4.96 27 ****

EH 1 NT, ATH 7, DN 7 || N w/ 3 potential, + pass rush for position, could be dirty next to Reader, rotational

EH 81.5, + vs Double team, good hands, push/pull/club, - pass rusher, ? versatility

ATH: 3, explosive, fast first step, resets los, low pads, unpolished, issue recognizing blocking schemes.

DN: 3-4, 1?, at 3?, bull rusher, ++ str, technique?, developmental

**** S Hamsah Naisrildeen, Florida State || 22 || 6’3 215 na 7.05 ****

EH 7S, ATH 4, DN 6, || similar to Hufanga, higher ceiling lower floor

EH: 78, +wood, LOS, footwork and fluidity, acceleration, ball skills and matchup, - speed, change of direction, injury

ATH: 3, Great frame, downhill form tackler, forces fumbles, tweener, hybrid box S

DN: 3, positionless, +vs tight end, great vision, 19 inj, -hands, - blitzer, high ceiling

**** WR Simi Fehoko, Stanford || 6’3 222 4.43 ****

EH 12(sl), ATH 16,DN 18 || gamble, needs development, first WR = nailbiter. Can go/post, play speed

EH: 74, + burst before and after catch, movement, yac, - unpolished, concentration drops.

ATH: 3-4, big body and uses it, good acceleration catch radius and start stop ability, needs work on routes, ST potential

DN: 5, catch radius and vertical routes, some drops

**** G Aaron Banks, Notre Dame || 23 || 6’5 325 24 ****

EH 1, ATH 7 || last safe day 1 starter I have at OL on board, RG. Low ceiling. Great scheme fit. Emergency 3rd, better 4

EH: 90 + power at poa, hands, patient, pass pro, length/power, pull/screen, - feet lag

ATH: 3, great functional size/str, can wash out players in run game, durable and versatile, posture issues,

DN: 4, frame and power, limited in space, could start but not a premier player, gap/power

**** S Joshua Bledsoe, Missouri || 22 || 5’11 204 na na ****

EH 7C, ATH 19, DN 7 || Draft crush, great box safety, highly effective in division, I will be tempted to reach.

EH: 78.5, + versatility, burst and aggression, power and force, can 1v1 te, closing – sone, washes self out

ATH: 6-7, thick frame timing, durable nickel/S, striker, cvg issues

DN: 5, Hybrid, close to scrimmage, block shedder, man cvg, +run, -deep cvg

**** WR Anthony Schwartz, Auburn || 20 || 6’0 186 4.25 ****

EH 4(sl), ATH 21, DN 20 || Not a great fit, but tools are too tempting to not have on board, luxury slot

EH: 80, + +++ speed, hand catcher, uses body positioning, vs zone, tracks, - str, catch point and bt, not shifty

ATH: 4, exceptional speed, dual threat, not always great at attacking the football,

DN: 4, exceptional speed, slot only?

**** G Trey Smith, Tennessee || 21 || 6’5 321 32 ****

EH 9, ATH 9, DN 11 || Boom/bust, potential to be a real + lineman, Also possible to be a wasted pick inj/technique

EH: 76, + pass pro, anchor, redirection, climber, str, - little slow with hands, lumberer,

ATH: 3, “bully strength” mover, nasty in contact and good movement skills, high pad level, “sloppy” power scheme

DN: 3, Natural right guard, exceptional power, limited flexibility/mobility gap RG, natural fit

**** LBS Dylan Moses, Alabama || 22.93 || 6’1 225 NA ****

EH 4, Ath 16, DN 11 || great fit for need at LB, questions re durability and vision. If he falls.

EH: 79, +explosion, run/chase great blitzer, - durability, instincts, block shedding and zone

Ath: 5, high level recruit, smooth, makes reads for team, struggles block shedding, Injury concerns

DN: 4, sam/will, +size, still room for growth, +physicality, sideline to sideline, ++technique and vision,

**** E Rashad Weaver, Pittsburgh || 23 || 6’4 259 4.86 6.97 20 ****

EH 7DE, ATH 12, DN 31 || some limitations may affect ceiling, may disappoint in pass rush ceiling, day 1 rotate

EH: 75, + power/acceleration, polished, awareness, swatter, - burst/suddenness

ATH: 3, NFL frame, good hands and hips, flexible positionally, upright, lacks explosion, versatile

DN: 5, inj 19, length and power, -ath/bend, good vision

**** HB Kenny Gainwell, Memphis || 22|| 5’8 201 4.44 ****

EH 17, ATH 4, DN 5 || Good fit, lack of blocking limits usefulness, ceiling as receiver is high

EH: 74, + center of gravity, routes, elusive, burst, receiver

ATH: 2-3, Exceptional footwork, low pad level, soft hands, Build issues, not a blocker

DN: 3, Vision, elusiveness, play in slot, needs to develop frame

**** S James Wiggins, Cincinnati || 24|| 5’11 209 4.41 na ****

EH 10C, ATH 11, DN 8 || Luxury pick, bit risky, high ceiling. Not the best fit, if he falls

EH: 74.5, + Versatile, ball instincts, anticipation vs pass, open field tackling – recovering from acl, technique

Ath: 4-5, “rocked up” Good tackler and cvg and kick return, blocks catch him, depth player

DN: 4-5, good hands, inj 19, 20, physical, athlete, multi-scheme, - reads

**** TE Kenny Yeboah, Ole Miss || 22 || 6’3 250 n/a ****

EH 7(F), ATH 9, DN 6 || Great scheme fit, potential low ceiling.

EH: 73, + “plays long” catch radius, strider, hands, contested catches – str/pwr “baby deer,” routes aren’t natural

ATH: 6, good body control physicality in blocker but not tough, move TE

DN 5: F, good route runner, 11 personnel, gap blocking (Great scheme fit)

**** Sub E Jonathon Cooper, Ohio State ||23|| 6’2 253 4.7 7.02 28 ****

EH 21E, ATH 30, DN 20 || Probably a permanent rotational pass rusher, but with a very high ceiling.

EH: 72, + twitchy, burst, fundamentals/technique, quick hands, vision, - tools, OK strength

ATH: 6-7, hard charger strong hands, relentless, violent tackler, captain, not flexible, ceiling? rotational

DN: 5, high motor, designated pass rusher, good hands and counters, potential starter

**** Outside E Ade Ogundeji, Notre Dame || 22|| 6’4 260 4.78 7.19 22 ****

EH 16E, ATH 22, DN 18 ||   High floor, likely to have value in rotation very quickly

EH: 73, + length, arm bar, disruption, pad level and leverage, - tentative, counters, strength

ATH: 5, long, good extension, grip strength, good spin, forces fumbles, captain, too tall, mechanical

DN: 4, high tools, scheme versatile, developmental, lacking technique

**** WR Josh Imatorbhebhe, Illinois || 23 || 6’0 218 4.52 ****

EH 4(se), ATH 46, DN 24 || #2 lottery ticket, plays faster than 40. If he develops could be very promising.

EH: 81, + Athleticism, versatility, release is explosive, routes, physicality, -drops, vs zone

ATH: u, not a burner, good at catch point, drops

DN: 5, needs development as route runner, plays fast, potential as starting X

**** TE Tre’ McKitty, Georgia || 22 || 6’4 246 n/a ****

EH 3 (H), ATH 8, DN 7 || Good depth option w/ versatility at TE, blocking skills are appealing

EH: 75.5 Strength at poa, inline and outside, blocking, maintains blocks, underrated receiver, ST, - hands blocking, slower

ATH: 5-6, agility, good enough speed, improved hands, promise as blocker, limited production, backup

DN: 5, adequate blocker, YAC

**** G Deonte Brown, Alabama || 23 || 6’3 344 n/a ****

EH 7, ATH 6, DN 10|| Potential to be an adequate starter, reads like someone who won’t provide + time in pocket

EH: 78, + strength/power, anchor, lower base and leverage, moves the line – hands in run, late

ATH: 2-3, Power and size, great anchor, mauler, struggles vs quickness, some issues w/ pickups

DN 4, “beefy” effective, strong run blocker, good awareness, good foot quickness, great anchor, trouble sustaining, gap

**** S Tyree Gillespie, Missouri || 22 || 5’11 207 4.42 7.06 ****

EH 10F, ATH 9, DN 13 || Safety depth with obvious ST potential. If other options were missed

EH: 73.5, + tackler, reaction and acceleration, zone, - angles, transition

ATH: 4, rangy and aggressive, sets edge and good tackler, st gunner, limited in pass

DN: 3-4, depth and st, split safety prospect, physical, ok ath

**** LBW Garret Wallow, TCU || 22 || 6’1 220 4.64 6.87(!) ****

EH 1(i), Ath 18, DN 18 || Draft crush, seems overlooked, no brainer at 6, tempting at 5

EH: 85, + Instincts, lateral agility, zone positioning, angles and play speed, - pursuit, weight

Ath: 5-6, ath, vision and feet, captain w/ st exp, solid tackler, bit stiff, overpursues, not great in cvg.

DN: 6-7, Will, develomental, ++ blitzer, +speed, man/zone, not a liability vs run, -vision, -weight

**** E Cameron Sample, Tulane ||21|| 6’2 267 4.80 7.4 23 ****

EH 3E, ATH 18, DN 26 || Rotational piece, could start but likely with low ceiling. Tweener?

EH: 80, + base and pad level, speed to power, awareness, versatile, - explosion

ATH: 4, Good frame, good hips and anchor, can drop, not explosive, high effort tweener

DN: 4, 4-3 end, -size/tools, good hands vs run, pass rush counters adequate

**** WR Rico Bussey Jr., Hawaii || 23 || 6’0 186 4.49 ****

EH 9(se), ATH 54, DN 29 || Good late round receiver, risk reward guy. ST value, deceptively high floor

EH: 79, + burst, technician w/ routes, acceleration, body control, run plays, -str

ATH: u, good routes and footwork

DN: 7-u, special teams and route running/blocking, dynamic, hands?

**** CB Shakur Brown, Michigan State || 22 || 5’9 185 4.63 7.08 ****

EH 9S, ATH 15, DN 28 || Late round luxury lottery ticket. Potential to overplay draft position or do nothing.

EH: 74, + instincts, peel off, footwork/technician, ball skills, - speed, zone vision

ATH: 3-4, confidence and ball skill, quick and mean, flags and lack of top end speed

DN: 5, good ball skills, man/zone, nickel in press man, high ceiling/low floor

**** C Drake Jackson, Kentucky || 23 || 6’1 293 n/a ****

EH 15, ATH 7, PFF 6 || backup center, I’m not keen. Emergency pick

EH: 71, + smart, combo blocks, second level, hand usage, - slow feet, bull rushers

ATH: 5 High level prospect out of high school, quick. (31 inch arms!), seems like a very limited ceiling, old for rookie.

DN: 6-7 good leverage and hands, good mobility, true center, reads like concern w/ extended blocks

**** WR Marques Stevenson, Houston || 23 || 5’10 182 ****

EH 5(sl), ATH 23, DN 25 || Major injury risk, extremely high ceiling. If he can defeat press he could be a #2 Z

EH: 78, + +++ speed, deep threat, plays big, not afraid of contact, catch run, - vs press, str, zone, routes

ATH: 4-5, great acceleration, deep threat, KR guy, limited strength, iffy routes, developmental

DN: 7, big play, exceptional speed, ball skills, issues with release, slot only?

**** DT 3 Darius Stills, West Virginia || 22|| 6’0 278 4.97 23 ****

EH 5DT, ATH 13, DN 22 || tweener 3/5, good potential for dedicated pass rushing sets.

EH: 76, + thinks is oop as nose, burst, variety of moves, projects as 3, - strength, ok hands

ATH: 5-6, quickness and low center of gravity, good production, overpursues and may be maxed out.

DN: u, 3, good first step, leverage, ++hands, motor, --run, counter move?

**** T Brenden Jaimes, Nebraska || 21 || 6’5 298 25 ****

EH 18, ATH 15, DN 19 || Good swing tackle, potential to be used as an extra blocker/6th man

EH: 77, + footwork and athleticism, anticipation, “kung fu” hands (?), mobility, - weak vs counter

ATH: 3-4, 25 reps, low ceiling, highly regarded at swing tackle, good feet, lacks a major weakness

DN: 5-6, backup, good technique and athleticism, positional versatility

**** C Trey Hill, Georgia || 21|| 6’3 319 17(???) ****

EH 6, ATH 8, PFF 7 || Backup inner O-line w/ good versatility, what’s up with 17 reps?

EH: 75, + power and first step, active feet, core strength, - redirection, doesn’t always use length.

ATH: 5-6 Violent hands, + size, C/G, good anchor and recovery, poor balance and ends up on ground, career backup

DN: 5-6, C/G, attacker, less mobile, swing guy, power run

**** S Tariq Thompson || 21 || 5’11 204 4.72 7.75 ****

EH 4C, ATH 24, DN 18 || Tempting option for a late round flier, I like the potential

EH: 82, + excellent ball skill, zone diagnosis, run support and blitzing, - deep speed

ATH: 7, smooth and quick, leader and bright, ball production, not explosive and limited vs run.

DN: 6, slot man and zone, + pass, good vision, athlete?

**** Base E Victor Dimukeje, Duke || 22|| 6’1 262 4.81 7.2 28(!) ****

EH: 10DE, ATH 25, DN 17 || Solid potential as a 2nd or third rotational pass rusher

EH: 72, + closing and reads, fundamentals, twitch, can flatten, - quickness, passive hands, tools

ATH: 5-6, thick, heavy handed, leverage and footwork, durability, no burst, power only rusher. “lesser Carl Lawson”

DN: 4, multi-pos +size +ath -technique High ceiling

**** WR Jonathan Adams Jr., Arkensas State || 22 || 6’2 210 4.54 ****

EH 11(se), ATH 30, DN 32 || Good rounded depth receiver. Would be great as a snd selection, ST?

EH: 76.5, + Hands, snatcher, ontested catches, athleticism, release, vs zone, -routes, reads

ATH: 5-6, Good catch radius, great hands, good vs press, not a burner

DN: 7, developmental in route running, not a burner

**** E Janarius Robinson, Florida State || 22|| 6’5 263 4.69 7.31, 25 ****

EH 17E, ATH 26, DN 8 || very developmental, depth guy with good tools, can drop, has the tools

EH: 73, + strength at POA, heavy hands, tools, - vision, raw

ATH: 5-6, Long and big, speed to power, chase and cover, improving, stiff, not creative, not a starter

DN: 3, prototype, good vision, +run, needs development in pass, base end, developmental

**** CB Thomas Graham Jr, Oregon ||21 || 5’10 192 4.48 7.08 ****

EH 5S, ATH 17, DN 17 || solid depth corner, nothing flashes, can press

EH: 76, +tight cvg, swatter, tackler, - explosion, recovery

ATH: 4, good hips and backpedal, smart, good tackler, productive, speed issues

DN: 5, avg ath, +tackling, +technique, contests the catch, boundary only, press zone

**** S Darrick Forrest, Cincinnati || 21 || 5’11 206 4.41 6.91 ****

EH 8S, ATH 15, DN 16 || Promising, young, and floor is a solid ST contributor, sources dispute his tackling

EH: 77.5, + explosive, assertive, run d, ball skill, man, - overaggression, vs doubles

ATH: 5-6, reaction and acceleration, physical, captain w/ special teams exp, tackle and run fit concerns

DN: 5-6, No standout trait, smart, good tackler, multi-role, potential starter

**** HB Chris Evans, Michigan || 23 || 5’10 211 4.51 ****

EH 20, ATH 14, DN 9 || Could really develop to outperform a late pick.

EH: 74, + Balance, sturdy, vision, cutback, feet/elusiveness, receiving, -burst/speed, acceleration

ATH: 5-6, good build, routes, leader, easy to tackle, blocking?

DN: 6, all physical tools, contact balance, developmental starter

**** LBI Monty Rice, Georgia || 22 || 6’0 233 4.57 7.34 ****

EH 10(i), ATH 11, DN 17 || Special teams contributor, very high ceiling for draft positioning if he develops vision

EH: 74, + Speed and fluidity, blitzing and man, pursuit and tackling, - blocks and anticipation

Ath: 4, Great bulk and strength, great tackler and eye discipline, straight line, issue w/ reads

DN: 5, ILB/ST, mobility, potential in cvg, -length, block shedder

**** K Jose Borregales, Mimai || 5’10 206 (ath 6) ****

HIM KICK BALL GOOD

**** HB Gerrid Doaks, Cincinnati || 22 || 5’11 228 4.57 ****

EH 22, ATH 29, DN 13 || My first choice for UDFA. If I end up with extra picks I’m more than willing to burn a 7

EH: 74, + passion and acceleration, willing blocker, good vision, - not fast, not patient

ATH: u, injury issues, developed and rounded, good w/ run and pass.

DN: u, power, great pass pro, undervalued as receiver

**** C Jimmy Morrissey, Pittsburgh || 22 || 6’3 303 26 ****

EH 7, ATH 9, PFF 10 || No brainer UDFA if there aren’t already 2+ quality OL selections

EH: 75, + core strength, anchor, pass pro, mobility, - late on stunts, trouble disengaging when needs to.

ATH: 7-u Competitive, mean, Can’t reliably sustain blocks, very limited ceiling

DN: u, good form and technique but no power, developmental zone

**** WR Whop Philyor, Indiana || 22 || 5’9 184 4.57 ****

EH 6(sl), ATH 40, DN 33 || would be a great get as a udfa slot receiver

EH: 78, = savvy routes, vs zone, elusive yac, ST, - str, drops

ATH: 7-u, start/stop, physicality, iffy routes, nfl level play speed

DN: 7, Prefers Burger King, personality conflict w/ Chad, explosive athlete, hands

**** G Sadarius Hutcherson, South Carolina|| 23 || 6’3 321 35 ****

EH 16, ATH 17, DN 13 || Good scheme fit, less versatile than Morrissey but better ceiling.

EH: 73, + moves DL, poa str, twists/stunts, - feet lag, limited movement.

ATH: 6-7, frame and anchor, good attitude, stiff lower body, ok mobility, run blocker

DN: 6, experience at T but should play G, mauler, balance and hand placement issues, gap

**** T Tommy Doyle, Miami (OH) || 22 || 6’8 320 24 ****

EH 14, ATH 16, DN 24 || Potential as a developmental T, low ceiling?

EH: 79, + athletic, great control for size, deceptive strength, movement, - pad level, slow striker

ATH: 4, good frame, only 24 reps, high hipped, leverage issues, developmental swing

DN: u, play strength, good production in run game, needs development as pass blocker

**** DT 5 Marvin Wilson, Florida State || 22 || 6’3 303 5.08 23 ****

EH 16DT, ATH 11, DN 10 || Dedicated rotational backup interior lineman. Tweener. Consolation prize

EH: 72.5, + pushes line, good lean, hand quickness, - inconsistent base, not explosive

ATH: 5, great build, physicality, great vs inside run, sure tackler, balance and weight issues

DN: 4, 5tch, quick, run/pass, anchor?, physical development needed

**** ¾ E Patrick Johnson, Tulane ||22|| 6’2 240 4.66 6.96 16 ****

EH 15E, ATH 32, DN 19 || really appealing as a low ceiling depth guy

EH: 73.5, + rounded, spin/bull, Run defender, ST, - vs length, assertive inside

ATH: 6-7, plays heavier, quick hands, efficient and technician, hard worker, tweener, not sudden, leaner

DN: 5-6, 5 +physicality + Run -dicipline/vision has technique developmental

**** E Patrick Jones II, Pittsburgh ||22|| 6’4 261 NA 22 ****

EH 8DE, ATH 14, DN 16 || I am too cool on to likely have a shot, low floor/decent ceiling. May be tough to roster

EH: 74.5, + disruption, length, swatter, quickness 1st step and dip under, - weak vs pull, str, counters, pad level

ATH: 3-4, prototype, good burst, effective mobility, captain, forced too far upfield, disorganized and lacks twitch

DN: 4, 4-3 end only, faller, ballanced, has moves, -size and length, potential starter

**** S Shawn Davis, Forida || 22 || 5’10 202 na ****

EH 3F, ATH 12, DN 22 || Overlooked safety prospect, quality udfa

EH: 81.5, + pursuit and acceleration, Enforcer, plat and drive, - shallow, tackling, inj

ATH: 5, twitchy, hip movement, intelligent and rangy, size/speed issues, nickel

DN: u, good ath w/ special teams exp, vision, one hander, priority udfa?

**** K Alex Kessman, Pitt || || 6’2 189 (ath u) ****

HIM KICK BALL FAR

**** 3/4 sub E William Bradley-King, Baylor ||23|| 6’3 252 4.75 7.1 na ****

EH 18E, ATH 24, DN 25 || Could be a steal if he does end up undrafted, may be tough to carry

EH: 72.5, + length, active at LOS, swatter, edge, - strength, pad level

ATH: 5-6, motor and acceleration, low, upward striker, lateral movement and good fundamentals, undersized.

DN: 6, 3-4 olb, patient, +attacking corner, +hands, poor contain

****QB Feleipe Franks, Arkensas || 23 || 6’6 234 ****

EH 10, ATH 12, DN 10 || I’m not spending a pick, but Franks would be an ideal 3rd QB w/ potential.

EH: 73.5, + touch, accuracy, reasonably aggressive, ok ath, -placement, pressure off edge, hitch

ATH: 7-u, sturdy, good arm, deep ball, “bird-dog” good passing percentages

DN: u, OK mobility, Practice squad qb w/ upside

**** LBW Tony Fields II, West Virginia || 21 || 6’0 222 4.63 7.15****

EH 11 Ath 14, DN 16 ||  Tempting UDFA if we miss a LB in draft.

EH: 75.5, + speed acceleration and zone, physicality, gunner, - vision block shedding

ATH: 4-5, rangy, agility helps find ball, zone, team leader, frame and vision concerns

DN: 6, Will, +ath, +vision, developmental, ceiling?

**** CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon || 21 || 5’10 199 4.44 ****

EH 19B, ATH 34, DN 36 || potential to be a solid depth CVG corner

EH: 73.5, + disrupting, ball skill, burst and timing, - handsy, awkward backpedal

ATH: 6-7, speed and balance, good physicality, ball skills, iffy speed and vision, backup ceiling

DN: 5-6, slot and outside, +tackler, smooth, -ath, good vision for zone

**** CB Antonio Phillips, Ball State || 22 || 5’11 189 4.52 ****

EH 10B, ATH 30, DN 29 || good bottom of the roster CB udfa

EH: 76, + press, length, uses sidelines, ball skill, - technique

ATH: 6, body control, press and athleticism, ball skills and tackling, flags, minor issues w/ hip stiffness

DN: u, ball production, + run defender, special teams guy, developmental

**** CB Lorenzo Burns, Arizona || 23 || 5’10 183 4.54 ****

EH 2S, ATH 45, DN 37 || Solid UDFA option for a backup nickel, best option if no safety taken

EH: 84, + footwork from backpedal, lateral agility, mirror, blitzing, physicality, - transition, mass

Ath: u, Competitive nickle with limited tools, ball skill and reads well

DN: u, good run defender, competes at catch point, man/zone, -size

**** G Ryan McCollum, Texas A&M || 23|| 6’5 307 20 ****

EH 5(c),ATH 10 (c), DN 22 || Practice squad UDFA IOL, iffy scheme fit.

EH: 76, + pad level, moves dl, str, c/g, absorb/redirect, - late hands

ATH: u, starts are at center, issues w/ leverage and mechanics, decent power and hands

DN: u, Good cover blocker, developmental zone blocker

**** DT Malik Herring, Georgia || 22 || 6’3 275 NA NA ****

EH 24DT, ATH 35(e), DN 15 || Tweener UDFA with an OK ceiling as pass rusher

EH: 70.5, + versatility, 3 tech quickness, subpackage, - no counter, hand issues

ATH: 7-u, sure tackler, good moves and fluid, issues w/ sustained blocks and block recognition

DN: u, end?, +motor, ath, +technique, tweener

**** Sub E Shaka Toney, Penn State || 23|| 6’2 242 4.52 7.0 24 ****

EH 19E, ATH 31, DN 30 || Practice squad developmental end w/ ceiling

EH: 72, + leverage, hands, vision, - strength, tools

ATH: 6-7, quick and slippery, low and dip, can drop, captain, good production, undersized, needs strength, sub

DN: 5, high motor, consistant pressure, needs weight, quick and bendy, specialist

**** T Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan || 23 || 6’4 311 27 ****

EH 12, ATH 14, DN 21 || worth a punt if other UDFA linemen are unavailable

EH: 79.5, + consistency, play rec, aggressive pass pro, - stops feet

ATH: 3-4, Good feet and frame, arm length concerns, needs power, more zone than gap.

DN: 6, +movement and aggression, developmental zone tackle, lunger

**** Base E Tarron Jackson, Coastal Carolina || 22|| 6’2 254 4.71 7.44 25 ****

EH 7E, ATH 29, DN 29 || potential to sneak onto the roster as an UDFA

EH: 75.5, + versatile, power/quickness, contact strength, hand usage, - doubles

ATH: 6, productive, quick and balanced, good hands, captain, versatile, tweener, rigid, “spark plug”

DN: 7, good size, good hands, + motor and lvrg

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 26, 2021

# ? Apr 26, 2021 01:21

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

... and they're not that far off. Sua Filo at LG shouldn't be BAD. Hopkins is slated for a day 1 return at center. We just need a RG, that's it. Pollack will improve the existing guys.

How did that thought process work last year?

Joe holds the ball too long.

You're used to Dalton, who averaged the quickest release time in the league. Burrow was right on average in 2020, and if you extrapolate his season out he'd lead the league in QB hits. Joe was holding the ball an appropriate length of time, the line was the problem, full stop.

OL at 5 is a waste when you can find a guy at 38, there are -

Look at me.

- yourself have like 11 people on your board you think could contribute right awa -

Look at me.

This team is not one receiver away. Zac thinks he can save his job by compiling guys who make a day one impact, but he sucks at internal evaluation. He hired garbage coaches. Turner was not just a stupid decision, it was a transparently stupid decision at the time. Lou is telling you he had a bunch of square pegs for a round hole last year, and I guarantee you he'll have the same excuse next year. Selling out to win now just because those schmucks don't want to get fired is idiotic.

I'm fixing the line. Overkill would be great. If Pollack fixes a couple of Turner's mistakes and we cut a viable guy I'm 100% OK with that. A poor offensive line is a difficult thing to resolve and drat near impossible if you refuse to spend in UFA. We'll have 3 years of Burrow's rookie deal left in 2022. If we have a line and he has both knees we'll be able to find a guy to take the top off. That's if we can't hit on a later receiver in this class, which I am not discounting. Your plan has us looking for two starters on the line again next year, that's a recipe to spend years chasing a line and never catching it.

And if I'm wrong, and the team is capable of competing next year, Joe is capable of elevating receivers. We should be able to be much more balanced as well without an obvious weak link on the line.

So it's Sewell at 5?

Yeah.

What if he is gone? You just taking Slater?

... You wouldn't trade down, would you?

Hell no.

Well you could just let me make the calls.

The last time I let you near a phone you called Snyder an "incompetent, stale food peddling sex trafficker."

Heh, yeah. ... Honestly I'd be tempted to go Pitts.

OH FOR gently caress'S SAKE!

# ? Apr 29, 2021 14:27

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Hello everyone. I've been getting a lot less push-back than expected about making these reports, and I have to say, I'm really impressed with how secretive the organization is regarding their board:

My role during the draft will be to let y'all know at the top of each round what the current state of the board is and after each selection if anyone was passed over. I'll also be rating the level of salt in the war room, from Lake Erie to Bonneville. I'm sure he will update you after each pick with his own thoughts.

Finally he's added a couple people to his board:

quote:

**** HB Mekhi Sargent, Iowa || || 5�8 208 4.68 ****
EH 52, ATH 42, DN 35 || I just want him as an UDFA option.
EH: 66, + leg drive, balance and chipping � ath, doesn�t create
ATH: u, No write up, impressive bench and solid SS/3 cone.
DN: u, vision, elusive, low center +blocking, -rec,

**** G Wyatt Davis, Ohio State ||22||6�3 315 25 ****
EH 5, ATH 5, DN 3|| scouting the helmet? Probably one of the better day two options for a LG who can start EH: 80.5, + recovery and reset, mobility, climbs and move blocker, functional strength. � sometimes high and stops feet ATH: 2-3, top hs recruit, solid, quick out of stance, balanced and explosive, twists, on ground and weak off edge DN: 1-2,Mobility + power, mauler, peak in '19, tools, developed

**** G Cleveland, Georgia || 22 || 6�6 343 30****
EH 8, ATH 11, DN 7 || One of the last shots at a day one starter, good fit as a gap, reminds me of Redmond, RG EH: 77, + power, first step, combo blocks, good hands in pass pro, can pass and sustain, -stiff, mobility, sustain hands ATH: 3-4, Good vision and functional strength, gap fit, power and anchor, academic suspension, choppy and stiff DN: 3, avg athlete, good technique, vertical, finisher, solid pas pro

**** Evan McPherson, Florida || || ****
Him also kick good

**** LB Justin Hilliard, Ohio State ||24|| 6�0 229 4.81 ****
EH 22OLB, ATH 21, DN 21 || Xavier men forever mother fucker (in the sixth/seventh round at least)
EH: 73, + ++Ath, fights through contact and sets edge, upside and technique, - overshoots, iffy zone
ATH: 6-7, top HS recruit, St. X. Very active, change of direction/mobility, needs to develop strength and injury concerns
DN: 6-7, depth 4-3 sam w/ athletic potential, ST upside, sure tackler, attacks downfield

He's aggregated a bunch of big boards and come up with an average draft position of the top 400 some prospects

And his final board (minus kickers)

# ? Apr 29, 2021 20:32

Quiet Feet: Dec 14, 2009; THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?

I just wanna say that Wyatt Davis is the name of the best RT in my Madden 2005 franchise game and I had to let him go because of cap reasons. :sigh:

Last I checked he's the only RT left in the league with at least a 90 ovr. :lol:

# ? Apr 29, 2021 22:05

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

With the fifth pick the Bangles take Penei Sewell, fat man, Oregon

# ? Apr 30, 2021 01:49

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Sewell's actual selection: #7

# ? Apr 30, 2021 02:14

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Hello, everyone. We're done with day 1 and onto day two. Overall I would describe the salinity as around the Antarctic ocean, perceptible, but lower than you might expect. Round 1 sees 14 people off the board, the remaining [url=https://thedraftnetwork.com/bigboard/IPEA3vJ6Hv]board[/b] lines up as follows:

1 Tevin Jenkins, OT
2 Terrace Marshall Jr.
3 Wyatt Davis, LG
4 Dillon Radunz T/G
5 Christian Barmore, IDL
6 Kelvin Joseph CB
7 Nick Bolton LB
8 Brevin Jordan TE
9 Jevon Holland S
10 Dyami Brown WR

Reading the room I feel like the biggest surprises were that Jenkins lasted through the first round and that so many linebackers were selected.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 18:16

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Eh, that went pretty well.

Look at all the linemen still available! We could have easily taken Chase and gotten someone.

Yes and no, some of the guys left are guys I have no interest in, and the teams ahead of us still pick. I could see OL being my best option here regardless of the first round, but it's going to depend on the teams ahead of us. two of the 5 teams picking ahead of us have a pressing need at WR and two have a pressing need at OT. Pretty much all 5 could use a WR or OL. I Don't like drafting Cosmi, Eichenberg, Dickerson or Humphry here, so any of them being picked would be a win. Ditto Moore or... well, the other Moore.

Even though Jenkins is higher on my board by one selection I probably go Marshall if the entire board is left at 38. If Marshall and Jenkins aren't there I'd be amenable to a trade down, although I could see myself sticking and picking for Barmore. Radunz is fine, you'd almost be hoping he isn't going to pan out at tackle, but I like his potential. I like Davis a little more as a fit, but I think he'd last into the late 40s. The only thing that really hosed us was the late run at edge. That position is really not on the table even with a trade down. Ultimately my guess is that Marshall and Jenkins are gone, but I'd be very happy to be surprised.

I'm fine with Bolton or Joseph, but they'd be luxury picks.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 18:57

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

I am taking this trade - 46 122 139

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 00:42 on May 1, 2021

# ? May 1, 2021 00:39

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

The Bangles take Terrance MArshall LSU pick 46

# ? May 1, 2021 01:07

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

(Marshall went #59)

Going into round 3 the salt is negligible, let's say Lake Erie. He seems to be pretty happy with his board.

1. Wyatt Davis
2. Brevin Jordan
3. Dyami Brown
4. Milton Williams
5. Joseph Ossai
6. Jalen Mayfield
7. Quinn Meinerz
8. Nico Collins
9. Michael Carter
10. Ifeatu Melifonwu

# ? May 1, 2021 02:35

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

All that grandstanding any you end up going WR/T

He was the best guy on my board and I saw him as a clear 1st round talent. Good work on that trade, though, 2 4ths for 8 spots? Very nice.

What's the plan here?

Potentially Milton or the best O-line available.

# ? May 1, 2021 02:35

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

The Bangles select Milton Williams, DT from LS- wait, there's more than one school in Louisiana?

# ? May 1, 2021 02:49

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

(Milton went 73)

# ? May 1, 2021 03:02

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Going into round 4 the salt is slightly elevated, about Lake Van. Some guards he was hoping to last into round 4 went early or late day 2, in particular Mayfield, Meinerz, Banks, Cleveland, Carman, Davis. It seemed like one of them might fall. As far as other positions go the draft fell more or less as he thought.

1. Brevin Jordan
2. Michael Carter
3. Brady Christensen
4. Taloa Hufanga
5. Jordan Smith
6. Ihmir Smith-Marsette
7. Hamsah Nasrildeen
8. Simi Fehoko
9. Joshua Bledsoe
10. Trey Smith
11. Dylan Moses
12. Rashad Weaver
13. Kenny Gainwell
14. James Wiggins
15. Kenny Yeboah

# ? May 1, 2021 15:39

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

It's a shame we couldn't sneak back into the third for a Davis or Meinerz, but I get wanting the extra picks for depth.

Looks like you were way higher on Brevin Jordan than everyone else.

Yeah, 110 is probably the first pick where I significantly deviate from my board. Trey Smith and Deonte Brown are the only starter level guards I have left on my board, at least ones who reasonably could do it year one. It's a risk reward thing. They're way up my personal board but my board aggregate has them going around here. It's a risk reward thing. Since we have a very safe pick in Sewell I'm inclined to take the risk here.

What about the pass rush?

There's almost definitely going to be one I like at 122, but it is a risk. Smith, Weaver, Sample, Cooper, all of them have cause for optimism. If one of my receiver targets is there at 139 I probably pull the trigger, if not I double dip at end.

# ? May 1, 2021 15:50

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

At 111 the Bangles select Trey Smith G, Tennessee, who had a life threatening lung issue before it was cool.

# ? May 1, 2021 17:25

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

at 122 The Bangles select Rashad Weaver E, Pitt

# ? May 1, 2021 17:53

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

At 139 the Bangles take Brevin Jordan TE, Miami after successfully talking him off a ledge for lasting this long.

# ? May 1, 2021 18:40

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Some elevated salt here, getting to Atlantic range. He had talked himself into taking Carter just as the Jets picked him, And he had to delete his selection for Smith as he went a pick before his. Brevin making it to 139 seemed to cheer him up a bit.

1. Brady Christensen
2. Taloa Hufanga
3. Ihmir Smith-Marsette
4. Hamsah Nasrildeen
5. Simi Fehoko
6. Joshua Bledsoe
7. Dylan Moses
8. Kenny Gainwell
9. James Wiggins
10. Kenny Yeboah

# ? May 1, 2021 18:49

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

It makes too much sense here to take IMS, he's a great value here.

Can he play special teams?

Probably not, but eh, he'd be the 4 or 5.

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 1, 2021

# ? May 1, 2021 18:55

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

With 149 The Bangles buy insurance by drafting Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa.

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 1, 2021

# ? May 1, 2021 19:03

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

(Weaver went 135, Jordan went 141, Smith-Marsette went 157)

There was a late run on guys high on his board, but he seems fine, as he's happy with his available options. Probably back down to Arctic Ocean salinity. Note he missed that Christensen got drafted in the third.

1. Hamsah Nasrildeen
2. Joshua Bledsoe
3. Dylan Moses
4. James Wiggins
5. Kenny Yeboah
6. Jonathan Cooper
7. Josh Imatorbhebhe
8. Deonte Brown
9. Drake Jackson
10. Rico Bussey JR
11. Shakur Brown

# ? May 1, 2021 20:40

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

I'd like Cooper here, but I can't pass on Nasrildeen if he makes it to 190. Cooper probably jumps the line after that and Bledsoe would be my option at 202. I also like Hilliard and Imatorbhebhe here.

yeah OK whatever.

# ? May 1, 2021 20:43

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

THE JETS CAN GO gently caress THEMSELVES :siren:

while the Bangles at 190 take Jonathan Cooper, E tOSU

Carter and Hamsah, bastards. And then of course NE takes Bledsoe. I'm not mad you're mad.

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 1, 2021

# ? May 1, 2021 20:54

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

With pick 202 the Bangles take Dylan Moses, LB, Bama

# ? May 1, 2021 21:24

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 16:27

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

We're somewhere between the Pacific and the Dead Sea here, he was real mad about Nasrildeen.

James Wiggins
Kenny Yeboah
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Drake Jackson
Rico Bussey JR
Shakur Brown
Darius Stills
Jonathan Adams
Justin Hilliard
Tariq Thompson

# ? May 1, 2021 22:44

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