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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:
Playing through the original as we speak. Also modded it to allow 200 minions. And it will be nice to not have to be too restrictive with my specialists.
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I'm guessing the 100 minion limitation was purely for the sake of the game being able to not chug on low-end computers on release. Though, what annoyed me the most in the first game was that hotels were completely useless money sinks and actively harmful when John Steele shows up.
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Mar 15, 2021 15:04
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The tourists almost always ignored my hotels and chose to walk into the base/panic because they saw a closed door. Sure were good for keeping my valets tied up though 
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Mar 15, 2021 15:39
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the corpse piles made lethal traps actively detrimental in 1, and all the cool traps were lethal.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:03
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What I liked doing was having a backdoor into a lethal trap hallway so my minions could clean it out without constantly running through the path leading to the traps.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:05
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Triple A posted:I'm guessing the 100 minion limitation was purely for the sake of the game being able to not chug on low-end computers on release. Though, what annoyed me the most in the first game was that hotels were completely useless money sinks and actively harmful when John Steele shows up. EG1 was pretty half baked. the most glaring example is there were tourists, and there were hotels, and obviously you should be able to leverage tourists for funding and cover... but this didn't happen. tourists just showed up to wander around and blunder into traps, and you could build hotels as a distraction, or you could just go permanent hostile and task your valets with distracting the tourists. or once you're on high heat in the end game, just murder them
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Mar 15, 2021 16:55
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Yeah the whole "make agents waste time until they go home" thing made sense on paper, but in practice just ended with seven agents standing around confused blocking my entrance door open and allowing more people to just waltz inside  it's so much easier to just stay at yellow alert and have your guards light up anyone not wearing a jumpsuit even if you WANT to run a low heat stealth base
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Mar 15, 2021 20:45
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I sigh and press the Jubei button as one of my minions once again lets a squad of robbers into the vault while looking for a place to smoke
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Mar 15, 2021 20:48
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good luck to the tourists finding the correct entrance to my base, as opposed to all of the stub tunnels that are just six doors one after another, or all the sheds littering the outside that are nothing but a permanently locked high security door behind which is an attention trap i remembered now that building hotels is actually a liability, as then it draws your valets out of the base to get murdered
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Mar 15, 2021 21:04
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well, the correct entrance is probably the one surrounded by suspiciously beeping tiki statues and a shitload of body bags just being able to incinerate bodies would be a big step, instead of having to build a massive meatlocker freezer
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Mar 15, 2021 21:06
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Been eyeballing this game a bit since I loved the concept of EG1, but actually playing it felt cumbersome. In particular, the world domination portion was very frustrating. It was no fun waiting for a particular minion to get trained up which took forever due to low minion limit, generally slow and unresponsive minion AI (waiting for both the teacher and student minion to free up their schedule), and then the actual training process. Naturally after waiting like 30-60 minutes for all this to happen, you send them out on a quest and they fail it and likely all get killed in the process, causing you to repeat everything. All these things feel like timers that bad phone games have today. It seems they've upped the minion limit as a baseline, and I hope with the new world domination system consuming minions means it's a guaranteed success at least.
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Mar 15, 2021 21:31
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Yeah as someone with a hundred or so hours on the original game and another couple dozen on the steam re release I can say that you can easily do whatever you want (including beat the game) without ever touching the casino building functions of the game. In fact, they just seemed to cost a shitload of money so you could have valets stand out there like morons while tourists keep kramering into your base
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Mar 15, 2021 21:59
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One strategy I used in EG1 was building sheds all over and putting level three doors on them. Agents seemed to be more interested on higher level doors and wasted most of their island timeslot on these pointless doors. I am not actually sure if this was useful strategy but it certainly felt like it.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:12
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i did the same, it was way more useful to spam mystery sheds than casinos you could either put a trap inside or, just more doors. nothing but doors, tantalizing and hypnotic doors which need to be laboriously cracked open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4270c5qWPBg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ6gdRfBW6c&t=21s Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 22:15
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:EG1 was pretty half baked. the most glaring example is there were tourists, and there were hotels, and obviously you should be able to leverage tourists for funding and cover... but this didn't happen. tourists just showed up to wander around and blunder into traps, and you could build hotels as a distraction, or you could just go permanent hostile and task your valets with distracting the tourists. or once you're on high heat in the end game, just murder them Well already something the new game has fixed. Your Casino cover operation, along with being the place your deceptions minions will tend to hang out to distract people, can have it's devices be set to one of two things. Reducing Enemy Agents stats, so they go home without reporting anything, or at the very least don't notice the traps in the hallway when they sneak in. Or Scamming Tourists for money.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:31
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i did the same, it was way more useful to spam mystery sheds than casinos I did build a huge casino building. So I could fill it with annoying traps that waste agents time.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:32
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Throwing my name in the pile of people who just built a shack with some pop up distract traps in it as opposed to a multimillion casino. Set the door level to three and no agent or tourist could resist trying to crack The Mysterious Storage Shed
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Mar 15, 2021 22:41
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On the second island where there was room for it, I always did that except it was one massive tunnel carved into the opposite end of my island from where I was actually doing stuff. The tunnel contained nothing but doors, intelligence traps and more doors. This was usually a good spot to put the Intelligence Draining Bees, since they'd just get trapped with the agents inside of all the doors.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:45
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Trying to get my Evil Genius 1 playthrough finished before 2 drops... Sure am glad half the base responded for this 1 agent!!  I always loved watching my minions embark/disembark running along the dock 
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Mar 16, 2021 02:13
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Trying to get my Evil Genius 1 playthrough finished before 2 drops... This is why I have have set up several stations and cameras of different types. So the Alarm will only send out smaller groups unless the agents are father in then I would like.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:02
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:well, the correct entrance is probably the one surrounded by suspiciously beeping tiki statues and a shitload of body bags This time round they've said that if agents continue to go missing and not report back, that'll raise heat. So it sounds like the style of just incinerating everything that isn't yours probably won't work. yergacheffe posted:It seems they've upped the minion limit as a baseline, and I hope with the new world domination system consuming minions means it's a guaranteed success at least. I hope not, that seems a bit too robotic and like ticking boxes. I'd prefer that they instead make training more streamlined, though not too much that it cheapens the idea of having to minions up through the tiers - too streamlined and you may as well set a quantity for each type and they walk out of a portal without any thought behind it, which completely undoes any idea of minion specialisation and skill trees for them. Alternatively, increasing the relative size of the rewards for acts of infamy would work, so that the reward for completing it is worth more than the cost including of the % that fail. That way, achieving one is worth the effort of sending minions out, losing some, etc. and they then have much more gravity in the game. AoI are a major part of the game, and I felt they were too shallow in EG1. I hope there's more depth there.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:45
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Something I liked about EG1 was the concept of "scouting" for Acts of Infamy. It was fairly shallow, but it was kind of fun finding the really hidden ones. So yea I really hope they do something about the world map to make it engaging without making it a chore.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:54
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From checking it looks like you have to get Broadcast Strength from building your radio's to build a criminal network in a region. The Networks can then be strengthened by collecting intel from captured agents I think. Which will expose more schemes. Also it looks like some schemes are stuff like Steal lots of money or reduce your heat in the region.
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Mar 16, 2021 05:56
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i dunno that i'm crazy about any of the evil geniuses in this one, but i am glad that max looks much more like some type of rat goblin now
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Mar 16, 2021 05:59
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I like Zalika's style, it's very Mars Attacks. I'm leaning towards her for a first playthrough, maybe with the robot girl for maximum Science! And it's good to see Red Ivan is back considering he was basically a meme in the first game with how much he destroyed your own base all the time. Who was everyone's favorite Henchmen in the first game? I remember the Butcher was the best in combat since one of his attack animations was him wildly chopping and each chop counted as a separate hit. Him vs Jet Chan was always an epic showdown determined by how often that animation got used. Psycho Granny was very fun too. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Mar 16, 2021 11:09
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I recently played the first Evil Genius again to refresh my memory. What irked me about the original was that you always had to put your whole base on alarm if you wanted minions to arm themselves. There was not way to split the alarm states into zones, that would allow you to have areas like your inner sanctum and control centre to be high security areas, where every minion is armed and kills intruders on sight. While setting the outer zones to green, for less heat. I wonder if the new game changes that.
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Mar 16, 2021 11:18
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Hammerstein posted:I recently played the first Evil Genius again to refresh my memory. What irked me about the original was that you always had to put your whole base on alarm if you wanted minions to arm themselves. There was not way to split the alarm states into zones, that would allow you to have areas like your inner sanctum and control centre to be high security areas, where every minion is armed and kills intruders on sight. While setting the outer zones to green, for less heat. I wonder if the new game changes that. IMO the solution to this would be that your guards and mercenaries would also carry pistols/revolvers along with batons and knives on them at all times. Though, I would change the yellow jumpsuit minion so instead of going to the armories for handguns, they'd be arming themselves with submachine guns from there. After all, you look at an old bond film and practically every low-level lackey is armed with an MP40, Sten or Sterling.
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Mar 16, 2021 14:13
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Full Cinematic Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPOI1Uq-AZw
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Mar 16, 2021 18:30
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Also a couple of the Super Agents https://twitter.com/evilgenius/status/1328729889890050048?lang=en https://twitter.com/evilgenius/status/1362794547806355460 Agent X looks like a guy that will be a constant annoyance with his ability to escape, and turn invisible. With a large lair it also seems like it will be harder to locate him to deal with him, if he vanishes from the minimap too while invisible. Olga seems like Dirk Masters but a bit more dangerous, cause she also comes with a squad of soldiers rather then solo.
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Mar 16, 2021 18:39
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Nephthys posted:I like Zalika's style, it's very Mars Attacks. I'm leaning towards her for a first playthrough, maybe with the robot girl for maximum Science! And it's good to see Red Ivan is back considering he was basically a meme in the first game with how much he destroyed your own base all the time. I'm going Max for my first EG2 play through as he was also my go to for EG1. As for henchmen I also liked Red Ivan, but Eli Barracuda was my favorite just because of his one shot ability, made cleaning up errant agents easy.
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Mar 16, 2021 18:41
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Nephthys posted:I like Zalika's style, it's very Mars Attacks. I'm leaning towards her for a first playthrough, maybe with the robot girl for maximum Science! And it's good to see Red Ivan is back considering he was basically a meme in the first game with how much he destroyed your own base all the time. Probably going to go Max first. My favorite Henchman was Lord Kane, but that was more due to an exploit then anything else. (Namely if you pick a target for smooth operator one of his abilities. His target freezes in place and will wait for him to arrive, and won't do anything until he finishes doing his ability. Giving you a map wide stun for any super agent.)
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Mar 16, 2021 18:45
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yeah, max the generalist first then probably zalika for a second playthrough
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Mar 16, 2021 18:55
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Probably Red Ivan first even though I tend to lean hard into Deception minions. I can't resist his ridiculous cheeseball voice acting.
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Mar 16, 2021 20:38
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Captain Oblivious posted:Probably Red Ivan first even though I tend to lean hard into Deception minions. I can't resist his ridiculous cheeseball voice acting. You can still play a deception heavy Red Ivan game. He gets bonuses to his Muscle minions, but his deception minions are still just as good as the other geniuses (Minus Emma's, who are better.)
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Mar 16, 2021 20:47
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Some more gameplay details. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9lDKNxLuI Also Max's full profile.  
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Mar 16, 2021 20:58
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lmao i'm pretty sure thats the CEO of rebellion doing most of the voice work for that video he is uh a big time nerd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwMowoTOOI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=droi9vYFmaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVcey0Ng-w
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Mar 16, 2021 21:27
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The new minion priority system looks like they lifted some good parts from Rimworld.
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Mar 16, 2021 21:30
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Full Cinematic, with no gameplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pelasST7ork
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Mar 18, 2021 21:32
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How did I not know this even existed until now?!?! Evil Genius is one of those games I STILL play after all the years so this was an insta-preorder
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This might be the only 2021 PC game I've heard of that I'm actually excited about so far.
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