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HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Chaotic Flame posted:

Yay! Glad it finally got a thread. Ready to hear tales of my pal Shigemuchi being a terrible liar.

I'm about 45 loops in and unlocking character data at a decent clip.

Loop agnostic relationship musing. Really interested in where the Kukrushka/Remnan scene where she goes psycho develops

Haha, yeah, i think that was the first event i got that you don't consciously trigger by chatting someone up, pretty early on for me, and i was just like "Wtf, that's outta left field!?! What's that about?" It was also on what was supposed to be a hard-fought victory round, so that sorta pissed me off. :v:

The game is, on the whole, very good about making events reasonable and explainable, and keeping them cohesive. So the good news is, even that event makes sense later on. The bad news is, it only clicked for me at the very very end of the game, after the credits had already rolled.

Most of the weirdness surrounds Jonas, i feel. There's some weird energy coming off of him, and i don't mean his grandiose speech pattern or even his weirdo oil sheik master servant thing he has going on with Stella out of nowhere sometimes. But it feels like his hosed up situation is mostly played for laughs, and his fate at the end of the game elicited another "WTF?" from me. It's weird but not in a good way.
He's also involved with one of the events that still don't make sense to me even after the post-credits, but maybe someone else who finished the game can elucidate for me:

Why did he uncork the murder slime? Why? All other actions or motivations in the game make sense at some point, but even if you ask him, you don't get any sort of answer as to why he did that. The game's good at not letting characters' actions feel as if they were just done to move the plot, but this one sticks out.

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HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Nick Buntline posted:

Think my current record on that is checking the post-game logs and seeing eight straight instances of (Noticed Shigemuchi was lying.) That one help tip about "If you're playing as Gnosia and your allies are Shigemuchi and Comet, maybe just give up and restart." is not joking.

Well, Comet actually just straight up tells you "There's no way i'm gonna make it through this, just throw me under the bus and try to save yourself" if you end up with her on the Gnosia team

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Great avatar / post combo, too.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Fun(?) fact: Shigemichi is modeled after one of the developer's real life friends.

Well, not so much the in-game model, but... behaviourally.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

ChikoDemono posted:

Shige is the best because if you are nice to him, heíll defend you until he eventually gets iced.

Been experimenting with games and the 15 crew + 6 Gnosia is fun (as gnos because Iím a chump). Well, itís fun until your crew consists of Shige, Gina, and Stella. My performance is at like 1; so if I say a word, Iím iced immediately.

Just don't lie :v:. Don't doubt anyone you know to be human, and don't defend anyone you know to be Gnosia. Occasionally defend someone you want to ally with, let your team mates do the heavy lifting at the start and be inconspicuous until the numbers are thinned enough that you can target people and have a few people who'll come to your help.

Waltzing Along posted:

To me they are kind of gross. They look like something out of japanese porn comics. The fairy girl and underboobs and the one making all those weird sex faces that seem to be all the rage right now. Yuck. Plus the backgrounds look really cheap. The game is way old by now, but 999 looked way better in pretty much every way.

Comet was a huge problem with me at the start, too, and there's a few other character designs that are pretty absurd (Raqio's outfit is overcompensating something fierce, but it makes sense for the character), but i eventually got used to Comet, if only because she turned out to be my favorite personality despite the design.

I have no idea what a fairy girl is, and if you're really seeing someone making weird sex faces in this game, i think that's more of a you problem :confused:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Scrap Dragon posted:

Thatís my one big complaint with the game, that it doesnít recognize that Mafia is a team game.

Well, that and the fact the that the game is practically unplayable at low charm

I reached something like level 150 before raising my Charm above 10, and ended the game with Charm at 15

I got cryogenically frozen a total of like 5 times across 165 loops and had no problem directing people (except when i'm bug and Shigemichi is engineer and investiates me day 1 again)

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

GiantRockFromSpace posted:

SQ and Kukrushka both have high Performance/Charm and low logic so they basically act based on emotion and are a pain in the rear end to pin down, which makes them real annoying to deal with since they can make someone dislikable and gun for them (though SQ tends to go more on the "making random collabs to have a Seek Help bot and making random accusations" and Kukrushka tends to "Regret and make you regret doubting her because half the crew is defending her and gunning down whoever she dislikes".

Huh. I never really noticed that SQ and Kukrushka are similar, but now that you say it, it makes sense :v:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Girl. i love you but stop wearing jellyfish and stop not wearing anything else

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Since winning as AC Follower is so "hard", it gives great exp.

So if you want to farm EXP real quick, do:

- Start as AC Follower
- 5 players
- 1 Gnosia
- Engineer in play
- Doctor in play

This means there's exactly one normal crew member, 1 engi, 1 doctor, 1 gnosia, and you. Call out the other roles on day 1, claim engineer and get the other (real) one voted out. If you can't do that, try to figure out the obvious 1 crew member and get them voted out. Claim the Gnosia to be human with your fake engineer powers, and day 2 should be a cake walk.

Even if you gently caress up the first day, it's like 30 seconds and you still get some exp. If you win on day 2, it's exp payday for a hard-earned "tough" AC follower round that takes like 2 minutes.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
There's kind of a catch to the data hints (human / gnosia), since they mean that YOU need to be that role to be able to unlock that note, not (as i assumed at the start) that the character needs to be on that side.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Haifisch posted:

Sometimes I really wish the summary at the end of the game would let you see more specifically what triggered Definite Human for people.

In my most recent game, both Chipie and Shigemichi claimed engineer(with Chipie being Gnosia & Shige being the real one). Partway through everyone started treating Chipie's reports as 100% accurate for Definite Human purposes, which confused me to no end(there was also one point where Stella realized I was definitely human, based on no apparent train of logic or evidence except Shige saying I was while Chipie was still around). We did eventually win but I have no idea what triggered the Definite Human actions. And those were across multiple days, not a wave of 'oh ok everyone is human except for the one person who has to be gnosia'.

It's usually a combination of which engineer/doctor reported what, combined with who died via Gnosia and who must have thus definitely lied. By process of elimination (figuratively or literally), you can end up knowing someone must be human by cross-referncing reports.

It's hrd to tell for your specific case without knowing who reported what and who died when.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Also, Definite Human gets to be very fun if Setsu happens to airlock Sha-Ming again on Day 1 before the first discussion. All bets on veracity regarding doctors or engineers are off then :v:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
^
You don't need to use the same details.
Setsu will recognize you regardless and address you as your previous incarnation

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Digital Osmosis posted:

Lastly, someone was talking about Setsu having a pseudo-romantic relationship with the main character and I realized I don't know what the appropriate sarcastic term for a fictional anime nonbinary love interest is. Partneru? Lovero?

"Childhood friend"

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
She'll be back to challenge you again if the setup is similar.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
I'm really surprised Sha-Ming didn't just ice you during the night eventually.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Pollyanna posted:

Thanks, Iíll try that out. 5 people, me Gnosia, Eng+Doctor. Iíve picked up on a couple things: Raqio and Setsu can immediately tell when someoneís lying about claiming a role, cause they always put down definite human when they come forward. Thatís good to know, means I canít claim a role as Gnosia when theyíre in game.

Not sure what else to watch out for. Iím really only seeing the typical group dynamics, not much else thatís unique to characters.

You're not supposed to play as Gnosia to level up. You're supposed to play as AC follower, because that's the "hardest" role to succeed in and thus gives the most exp.

5 people: 1 Gnosia (not you), 1 engineer, 1 doctor, 1 AC follower (you), 1 normal human. I actually posted this before, let me see....


HenryEx posted:

Since winning as AC Follower is so "hard", it gives great exp.

So if you want to farm EXP real quick, do:

- Start as AC Follower
- 5 players
- 1 Gnosia
- Engineer in play
- Doctor in play

This means there's exactly one normal crew member, 1 engi, 1 doctor, 1 gnosia, and you. Call out the other roles on day 1, claim engineer and get the other (real) one voted out. If you can't do that, try to figure out the obvious 1 crew member and get them voted out. Claim the Gnosia to be human with your fake engineer powers, and day 2 should be a cake walk.

Even if you gently caress up the first day, it's like 30 seconds and you still get some exp. If you win on day 2, it's exp payday for a hard-earned "tough" AC follower round that takes like 2 minutes.

this does limit your character pool somewhat though and Setsu is always a part, so it's purely good for stats and not so good for learning characters.


edit: now that i think about it, i do like how they took the time to build story justification for Setsu to always be part of the crew, aside from "Setsu is the player's companion gameplay-wise". A loop without Setsu just couldn't exist.

HenryEx fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 6, 2021

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
As Gnosia, every time you doubt a not-Gnosia or cover a not-Human, you open yourself up for getting caught in a lie. If i play Gnosia, i'm far more careful about doubting someone / joining in on a bandwagon than when i play Human and can just go ham on bullying someone.

My M.O. for role claiming is to avoid it if possible and let your team mates take the fall, unless i have a plan for sabotage. Keep in mind that when you fake a role, you'll be lying constantly and have the high intuition characters on your rear end constantly. If needed, i usually claim a role second if someone prompts or the role themself speak up. If no one asks for a step forward and you get to day two or maybe even three with roles unclaimed, i can take a chance and claim a role and hope the real one was already iced and i have no contenders. The others will know you're possibly an impostor, but you can dictate the records freely and uncontested, which is worth a lot.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, she has reasons to do that, tho i'm not sure if she told you about that already.

Also, technically Chipie also never claims to be human. :v:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

cheetah7071 posted:

well now I wish I was clever enough to figure that out on my own, that would have been a really cool moment

alas

If you go back out to the main menu, it will also give you a hint

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HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
AFAIK the non-binary option is the "no romance for me, pls" option if you don't want anyone to hit on you (except Setsu being just a little too close at all times as usual).

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