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Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
If there's one thing that irritates me about this game, it's playing as the AC Follower role. If you do your job right (i.e. take suspicion off of the Gnosia, impersonate an important role, etc.), then you get outed as an enemy and killed. It's actually really good play in a real social deduction game, but what sucks in this game is that you are supposed to survive, and doing the "correct" sacrifice play is actually bad for you, even though it's good for the AI.

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Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
Just played two more rounds as AC Follower. Was killed on the second to last round by Gnosia (and had been signaling to them for the previous few rounds that I was on their side). Was voted out by Gnosia on the last round even after covering like crazy for them for the previous four rounds.

Again, good play on my part in that the Gnosia definitely won (and only won because I was covering for them), but no credit for me because I technically didn't make it to the end. Very frustrating.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

GiantRockFromSpace posted:

So yeah, you should really check out the How to Play section because goddamn not only is it pretty indepth, it explains how hate and likeability work, and why you should pump Stealth and Charm ASAP cause those are the stats tthat make it no one hates you or target you.

Oh, I have no issues when I'm anything other than AC Follower. You just end up naturally making enemies and/or becoming a scapegoat as AC Follower because, well, that's your job. If you've got to cover for Shigemichi, then you put yourself at a massive risk because of how obvious he is.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Hogama posted:

I've never played Werewolf or its like before and this just sounded interesting enough that I popped the $25. Not too far in at all (I assume I'm still in the tutorial) but Yuriko just removed my Ignore Targeting protection :ohdear:.

That's just a tutorial thing - they want you to stick around for the first few loops so that you can see how things play out before throwing you to the wolves and letting you get voted out/stabbed as well.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

GiantRockFromSpace posted:

That was what I was hinting at my last post but didn't want to be that overt. It's a pretty powerful tool though: using Step Forward D1 means one of the claimants is guaranteed to be Engineer/Doctor because of that quirk (and also that you should pay attention if someone else claims/asks for claims).

Just did this and the AC and Gnosia both pretended to be the engineer. This lead to the AC outing the Gnosia, followed by the Gnosia mercing the AC while I sat back laughing.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

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StarkRavingMad posted:

Really enjoyed both the ending and the True Ending. What a cool, weird little game. I can definitely still see myself firing it back up for a loop or two every now and again.

Same. Game is adorable and worth playing.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

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Gato posted:

Why does he let the mold out in the ending where it kills everyone?

He's a creepy rear end in a top hat who, uh, "investigates" bodies in cold sleep with some enthusiasm. Comet is also very clearly an attractive woman and you can figure the rest out from there.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

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Regy Rusty posted:

How do you actually use the "Definite Human" and "Definite Enemy" skills. I've unlocked them and I have the logic stat necessary, but I never seem to see them as an option. I may just never have gotten the in the moment prerequisites for them but I guess I'm not 100% sure what those are.

You have to be logically sure that they are a human or a Gnosia. For instance, if there are two total engineers, and they both say someone is human, then that person is Definitely Human (one engineer is gnosia/AC/bug, and the other engineer is human because if the AI is human and has a role they will always claim it, and humans cannot lie about who they report on). Same thing is true if both engineers say that someone is a gnosia. There are a lot of other ways for it to happen, but they primarily revolve around the engineers, doctors, and total number of gnosia in the game.

(Another example would be a game with 1 gnosia, no AC, and no bug, and two people claim to be the engineer. In this case, all non-engineers are Definite Human, and if the gnosia engineer calls anyone else a gnosia, they become Definite Enemy)

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
Another thing that helps a lot is to play as Gnosia and to remove the AC and Bug. This way you know exactly who is on what team and can start learning how everyone behaves. Doing this for 10 or so games will really get you into the flow of how different people act, and a lot of the events require you to be Gnosia anyway, so it's not like you're not advancing the story by doing so.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Pollyanna posted:

I won a 15/3 as Crew with everyone enabled and I have no idea now. Yuriko carried my rear end.


Im following this post:


Cause I think its kinda pointless to thoroughly learn characters aside from Comet being bad at lying, Shigemichi always claiming to be a role hes not, and Kukrushka and Yuriko amassing a meat shield of followers. Most of the game takes place by figuring out whos sympathetic to who, and then using the Engineer/Doctor reports to figure out which roles are fake, then correlating that with voting records and discussions.

Honestly I suggested it less as a way to learn characters and more as a way to learn how the Gnosia work and think. By being able to precisely see who is on which side (since you as Gnosia know all of your fellow Gnosia), you can much more easily learn how the AI plays as Gnosia and how to play it yourself.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

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Thuryl posted:

Also, if Shigemichi fake-claims Engineer, he will immediately go around reporting all his Gnosia buddies as human, so if you keep him around for a couple of days you can sniff out who the other Gnosia are.

Yeah... he's just so garbage at the game that you can use his earnest defenses to out Gnosia as well.

Tip for anyone playing a game like this - if you're one of the bad guys, throw shade at other bad guys on occasion as well, and don't always leap to their defense. If one of your allies accuses someone, defend that person on occasion as well. Do what you can to make it seem like there are disagreements between you so that you're not lumped together as easily.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

cheetah7071 posted:

Gina is the character who probably benefits the most from say you're human, so her stopping it is super suspicious. If it was followed up with a doubt chain I could see it getting to nearly unanimous. Either her fellow Gnosia didn't want to look suspicious by backing her, or she was an AC follower trying to cover for them and they threw her under the bus

And to be fair, it's a halfway decent move for the AC follower to do (assuming you were playing actual mafia and didn't have to survive until the end of every game regardless of role).

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Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
If you do get intuition, the Say You're Human skill is really nice. It's less useful for actually catching people who are lying, and much more useful for following how people react to it. It does piss people off a fair bit though, so definitely keep your head down for a while afterwards.

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