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I have been watching both nights of ROH's Weekend of Thunder. ROH, like CZW, didn't have a deep enough roster for doubleheaders, but it's hard to blame them for doing them when fans were willing to buy tickets. Plus, I'm sure that it helped with the tickets and booking fee for Liger. The best match, by far was Daniel Bryan vs Jushin Liger. If you go into it expecting an epic match that would be the best you could imagine of the two, you would be bummed coming out of it. But if you go into it expecting a fun match between two guys who can go, it's a really good time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK5rwHdw4GE
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El Gallinero Gros posted:McMemphis, the original dry run for the Mr.Mcmahon character I haven't seen that in ages. A dude online was kind enough to make me a burned copy of that on old CDRs in the late 90's, which was cool, since I never had poo poo to trade. I love interpromotional poo poo. Even when the power dynamic is skewed like USWA/WWE or AEW/Impact, it's just cool seeing people where they aren't supposed to be.
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Mar 24, 2021 23:13
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I'm about halfway through ROH All Star Extravaganza II 2004 I'm sure that the Punk vs Joe match at the end will blow me away, but there are some neat little things on the relatively lowkey undercard. Colt Cabana gets to interview, rescue, and then be managed by Bobby Heenan, which had to be massive for him, as evidenced by his facial expression:  After watching another one of the early Lacey promos in which she bullies Special K, I'm convinced that she's top 10 promowise up to 2004 in ROH, possibly top 3-5. And I'm currently watching my favorite indy guy who didn't make it to "the majors", Trent Acid, wrestle Jerk Jackson who, had I not looked him up on Cagematch, I would never have realized was Bobby Fish. He was pretty drat aerial for his build at the time, but he literally looks like an entirely different guy: 
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Apr 3, 2021 10:21
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Everybody knows that Punk Vs Joe III was great, but Danielson Vs Homicide (II iirc) was loving amazing. It was possibly better and very much worth going out of your way to see.
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Apr 3, 2021 20:45
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I just watched the end of Samoa Joe's ROH title reign and, even ignoring everything that has transpired with the guy in the last few years, they seriously ended the 80 year reign with loving Austin Aries? This seems really underwhelming. Did it seem so at the time?
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Apr 8, 2021 19:14
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Rarity posted:Yeah Austin Aries was over in the 00s, it wasn't really until his TNA run that things went sour My first exposure to Aries was as Austin Starr, so that could be hurting my perception a bit. Do you think that they thought that he was a better fit than Punk or Bryan? Or was it possible that they felt that those two just didn't need the belt? It could be that I'm upgrading them in retrospect and that people didn't see as much in them yet. Aries was a better talker than Bryan at the time and a better worker than Punk, so I'm thinking that maybe he seemed like the best of both worlds to an extent. Thinking about it, I guess that there were way more fresh matches for Aries than for either of those two also. I didn't get to see much Homicide before I started my retro watch and I'm kind of wishing that he got a run. He just seems the most real out of everyone. It seems like operating against the constraint of having their guys constantly signed away worked for ROH for a certain amount of years. Now that they have some top guys that no one seems to want to take, it's given them consistency, but that hasn't entirely been for the best.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:31
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forkboy84 posted:I dunno how much you've seen or aware of so don't want to go into it, but to go back to December 2004 mindset, Punk didn't need to be the guy to end Joe's reign, nor did Bryan. They were both already big deals in the company. Austin Aries was real good but not at that level in the crowds mind. Beating Joe for the title made him a big deal in the eyes of fans. It made real sense. I'm basically watching the shows in a vacuum, so any info that would be clear to someone contemporary is interesting to me. I've watched all of the ROH shows up until this one, aside from a really brutal seeming JAPW co-show and a couple trainee shows without commentary. I plan to go up to about 2012-2015 if I don't quit my weird watch everything (WWE, TNA, ROH, CZW, PWG, and, when I get there, AAW, Beyond, Evolve, and DGUSA) quest by then. At one point, I had a basic knowledge of who got the title and didn't, but I've managed to forget the details to enough of an extent that I was actually surprised that Punk didn't eventually take the title from Joe. El Gallinero Gros posted:I remember being shocked as I thought if anybody was going to get the belt off Joe from Gen Next it'd be Alex Shelley, but I've always thought Shelley could be a HUGE star. Two things stopped him: TNA being dumb as rocks and injuries. I only sporadically saw TNA when I tuned in to wrestling and was like "not for me" during his peak there. He seemed like the perfect answer to what they needed. A guy who would wrestle X division style and do comedy and promos. I don't know if the Nash stuff was ultimately helpful, but it seemed like he was being groomed for something. When I got back into wrestling while he was in ROH, it seemed weird that he was mostly just a straight workrate guy. I know that ROH was a more serious promotion, but they had other people doing fun stuff and character work, but whenever I saw him, it seemed like it was unfortunately just matches. I'll be able to tell better when I watch his career more comprehensively, but he seemed like a guy who could be a main eventer somewhere big when I caught him in the past. Even during my retro watch, when he first was doing stuff nationally and doing guest commentary early on while feuding with Jimmy Jacobs in CZW, he seemed way beyond any of the workrate/X/ROH guys on the mic.
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Apr 8, 2021 22:35
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I'm currently watching the buildup to Nash Vs Jarrett in 2005 TNA: Not having ever seen the match, I think it's safe to say that I won't be recommending it after watching. However, the build is basically "this time Nash is going to try" because he's serious "this time." And, it kind of reminds me of a sort of proto-Orange thing, but without the requisite buys. (Oh yeah, and you can tell he's serious this time because he dyed his hair.) I always enjoyed Nash in WCW (and shoots), but I hadn't realized that it had gotten to the point where his not making an effort had entered kayfabe by 2005. He was the biggest (in a couple regards) star that they had at various points, but outside of some funny comedy segments, did he ever do anything that mattered in TNA? I'd like to see Nash in a 2021 feud with Orange over who cared less about their match.
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Apr 25, 2021 12:00
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Having received 4.75 stars back when that was a pretty rare thing, the real main event of the show will almost certainly be great, but I didn't know that it was possible to make match graphics this bad:
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Apr 25, 2021 12:08
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