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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



NO COMIC SPOILER ZONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfAVpuko5o

Based on the comic book which ran from 2003-2017 Invincible is an hour long animated action series on Amazon Prime. The series follows teenager Mark Grayson who is the son of the superhero Omni-Man (think mustache Superman) as he comes into his own powers and becomes a superhero. Just a head's up, the comic could be super violent and trailers definitely made it seem like it is following in the same vein. The show will be following new standard Amazon Prime release schedule starting with 3 episodes and moving to weekly.

(some of the) Cast:
Steven Yeun as Mark Grayson / Invincible
J. K. Simmons as Nolan Grayson / Omni-Man
Sandra Oh as Debbie Grayson
Mark Hamill as Art Rosebaum
Seth Rogen as Allen the Alien
Gillian Jacobs as Samantha Eve Wilkins / Atom Eve

Like the thread title/top post states I would like this thread to avoid comic spoilers.

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



First three episodes up now.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003






Wedge Regret

I was expecting these to be 30 min EPs. Be interesting to see what they burn through given the EP count and time frame.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008






Well guess they arenít going to shy away from the gore

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



.Z. posted:

Well guess they arenít going to shy away from the gore

Yeah, full on exploding a guy's head was definitely not something I expected to see.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Watched the first two episodes tonight. This was my favorite comic in high school and college, and right now is perfectly itching my nostalgia button. Story is close to the comics but doesnít seem likes itís worried about stepping away and choosing its own beats here and there. Great voice acting, and Iím excited with how many characters theyíre introducing, and knowing in my head where they might be in a season or two. Designs from the comics look great onscreen, and the animation is better than it looked in the trailer. Some really fluid sequences. Iím impressed.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001





Show seems interesting enough so far. I do like that all the episodes are 40+ minutes.

I think the scene at the end of ep1 with Omni-man versus the Guardians should have been shot better? I can't think of a better word. The way he effortlessly destroyed that entire planet but got put into a coma from a few punches really doesn't add up in my head. Or I guess it also goes to show just how powerful the Guardians were, even though it didn't translate that well to the actual fight.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

I'm starting to think that this Omni-Man is not actually that heroic. Just a hunch.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020


CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:


I think the scene at the end of ep1 with Omni-man versus the Guardians should have been shot better? I can't think of a better word. The way he effortlessly destroyed that entire planet but got put into a coma from a few punches really doesn't add up in my head. Or I guess it also goes to show just how powerful the Guardians were, even though it didn't translate that well to the actual fight.

Well, They were the best and strongest superhero team on the planet. Also, based on the beard Omni-man grew while on the other dimension it apparently took him a while to ruin their world.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?

badjohny
Oct 6, 2005





Tiggum posted:

I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?

Definitely 100% not for kids. This isn't a spoiler for any of the plot but if it's anything like the comic, the violence / gore is just getting started. To the point that many people criticized the comics for almost turning into gore porn.

badjohny fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Mar 26, 2021

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


badjohny posted:

Definitely 100% not for kids.

Well obviously.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Tiggum posted:

I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?

Youíre describing the comic (and the show), Invincible. It is very sincere superheroic storytelling, with kind-hearted and funny characters, that also does not back away from violence and gore. They exist hand in hand here.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Conrad_Birdie posted:

Youíre describing the comic (and the show), Invincible.
Yes. That is what I was doing. Explicitly.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Tiggum posted:

Yes. That is what I was doing. Explicitly.

And Iím saying youíre not missing the point of the show. Thatís what theyíre going for.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Conrad_Birdie posted:

And Iím saying youíre not missing the point of the show. Thatís what theyíre going for.

I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch?

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Tiggum posted:

I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch?

Now it feels like youíre equating cartoons with kids. Animation is a medium to tell a story, any story. It doesnít have to be any ďoneĒ way.

And clearly a big theme of the show, three episodes in, is the difference between what Mark thinks being a hero will entail and what itís like in reality . That disparity is the point.

But also hey itís okay to not like something. The show is telling you what itís going to be like and itís cool if thatís not your bag!

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009



Tiggum posted:

I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?

This dichotomy is core to the story, as has been said, but I agree with you I have no idea who this is for, except people who are already fans of the comic. I cannot imagine this weird blend of teen superhero/ultraviolence in 45 minute animated chunks being very successful with a larger crowd. They already cancelled The Tick and I would've put more money on that.

It seems good TBF, just I have a hard time imagining it lasting very long, but I hope I'm wrong!

badjohny
Oct 6, 2005





Tiggum posted:

I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch?

There is an entire anime market that is just like this. Cartoons for adults. I mean 30 years ago Fist of the North Star was doing the ultra violent cartoon. This is nothing new. It is not for everyone, but there is definitely a market for it. The comic was pretty popular too from what I remember.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?



Hakkesshu posted:

This dichotomy is core to the story, as has been said, but I agree with you I have no idea who this is for, except people who are already fans of the comic. I cannot imagine this weird blend of teen superhero/ultraviolence in 45 minute animated chunks being very successful with a larger crowd. They already cancelled The Tick and I would've put more money on that.

It seems good TBF, just I have a hard time imagining it lasting very long, but I hope I'm wrong!

Tick got cancelled because it was one of the most expensive to make TV shows of all time. Tick's suit was very expensive CGI, and filming on location in New York isn't cheap either.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


IShallRiseAgain posted:

Tick got cancelled because it was one of the most expensive to make TV shows of all time. Tick's suit was very expensive CGI, and filming on location in New York isn't cheap either.

It also had a weird release schedule, and those hurt shows more than anything else.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Conrad_Birdie posted:

Now it feels like youíre equating cartoons with kids.
It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are).

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



I've read through the full Invincible run a few times, how close are they staying to the source?

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Tiggum posted:

It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are).

Again, the dichotomy is the point

badjohny
Oct 6, 2005





zoux posted:

I've read through the full Invincible run a few times, how close are they staying to the source?

So far the general story is the same, but some things are moved around or done a little different. I also noticed some characters are different races and genders. So far it is close.

Spacebump
Dec 23, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations


I've only made it through the first episode. This season is 8 episodes right? How many issues are covered by the first three episodes?

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011


Who the hell pronounces it "Sea-cil" its "Ses-il".

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Tiggum posted:

It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are).

You know Dragonball Z, the really popular series for kid and teenagers? Invincible is that but with superheroes.

Honestly gore and stuff isn't that objectionable in animation outside the US. The biggest movie in Asia this year was Demon Slayer which is rated R in the US because of gore, but was made for elementary school students in Japan.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Sonderval posted:

Who the hell pronounces it "Sea-cil" its "Ses-il".

Tons of people pronounce it the first way hahaha

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011


Must be an American thing then I guess?

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Sonderval posted:

Must be an American thing then I guess?

Yeah thatís the difference

Doom2020!
Dec 31, 2020

If you think this has a happy ending then you really haven't been paying attention

Tiggum posted:

I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?

Tiggum posted:

It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are).

Weirdly enough this exact question came up in a discussion about the comic back when it first came out. How the comic was sold to me was "Think about Hyperion. Imagine he had a teenage kid and wanted to be a super hero like his dad." I asked whether he meant Squadron Supreme, Squadron Sinister (from Exiles) or Supreme Power Hyperion and he said keep reading. I asked if it was a kiddie comic or a serious comic in tone and was told "drawn like Amazing Spider-Man" but they don't shy away from what happens if Hulk had just his fill of Doc Ock and punched him in the face. Looks like a dini-verse cartoon but I have read most of the comic (my CBR and PB torrent days died before the comic did) and can say that it does get a bit hosed up but not over the top or gratuitous but it does ride that line at times. It handled a variety of storylines and grew as the main character did. Starts off more teen as the Invincible is that awkward teen discovering his powers and place in the world. As he grows up the world gets darker and more complex as that is pretty much how life goes. World doesn't just start to get awful when you hit puberty, it always was.

Also: as far as contrast between tone and occasional brutal violence

Conrad_Birdie posted:

Again, the dichotomy is the point


Who does this appeal to? I loved the piss out of it as a tween and teen. Pretty much anyone who grew up with the dini-verse should enjoy the animation. I don't think parents now would let their under 10 kids see it but teens to Millenials should be an easy sell. Stoners? People who like animation but don't have to have the anime style? Adventuretime handled tons of serious subjects while keeping the kiddie style (sorta) animation. Rick and Morty has far more gratuitous gore. I don't think the show's audience is THAT limited. I enjoyed the crap out of it at least.

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Doom2020! fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 26, 2021

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Yeah I loved the comic in high school and own a bunch of the hardback collections from that time. So demographic wise itíll probably appeal to anyone 13 up whose a fan of superheroes and okay with violence. Itís cartoon violence still, so even the ďgoryĒ stuff isnít much more than a big blood splatter.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Ccs posted:

You know Dragonball Z, the really popular series for kid and teenagers?
Not really, no. I've heard of it, obviously, but I've never seen it and I don't know what it's about.

Ccs posted:

So demographic wise it’ll probably appeal to anyone 13 up whose a fan of superheroes and okay with violence. It’s cartoon violence still, so even the “gory” stuff isn’t much more than a big blood splatter.
That seems pretty weird to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see it getting any rating but MA15+ on Australian TV.

pnumoman
Sep 26, 2008

I always get the last word


Tiggum posted:

Not really, no. I've heard of it, obviously, but I've never seen it and I don't know what it's about.

That seems pretty weird to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see it getting any rating but MA15+ on Australian TV.

I'm genuinely confused as to why you think teens wouldn't be into a hyper-gory animated show about a teenage superhero coming into his powers in a violent universe. Like, I don't understand why you think teen sitcom angst, violence, and animation don't go together unless you just haven't been watching any animation at all since you watched Saturday morning cartoons as a kid. It clearly seems aimed at the older teen to mid-thirties nerd demo that's so in fashion these days, so your confusion is very curious. Cartoons haven't been just for children since, well, ever.

And lol at anyone at Amazon giving any shits about ratings for an amazon exclusive animated show that's not aimed at young children.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


pnumoman posted:

Cartoons haven't been just for children since, well, ever.
It has literally nothing to do with it being animated. I'm well aware that there are cartoons that aren't aimed at children. I've watched many of them. As I said before, it's the writing that I'm talking about. It doesn't seem, to me, like it's written for adults. The characters and themes seem designed to appeal to kids (tweens and younger teens), while the violence is likely to get it rated as inappropriate for that age group.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer



Young Orc

Its a coming of age story, get over it.

Also teens love violent poo poo and don't give a gently caress what it is rated

pnumoman
Sep 26, 2008

I always get the last word


Tiggum posted:

It has literally nothing to do with it being animated. I'm well aware that there are cartoons that aren't aimed at children. I've watched many of them. As I said before, it's the writing that I'm talking about. It doesn't seem, to me, like it's written for adults. The characters and themes seem designed to appeal to kids (tweens and younger teens), while the violence is likely to get it rated as inappropriate for that age group.

I think you're just looking at it from a ratings perspective. Ratings don't matter at all for a streaming service, so if your young teen audience likes it, why not? And it's written for both adults and teens, dunno why you think teen angst/coming of age is only for tweens and younger teens. This is definitely for both teens and adults, despite your thoughts on ratings that have no bearing on the show anyway.

JT Smiley
Mar 3, 2006
Thats whats up!

A buddy gave me the first omnibus back in my mind 20s and I read all of it in the span of a few days. I get why the violence would turn some people off, but I don't think Invincible has ever done violence just for the shock value. There's actually a heart to the story and the characters.

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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?



JT Smiley posted:

A buddy gave me the first omnibus back in my mind 20s and I read all of it in the span of a few days. I get why the violence would turn some people off, but I don't think Invincible has ever done violence just for the shock value. There's actually a heart to the story and the characters.
Well, the comic does get really really bad after a certain point, and it does do exactly that. However, that happens pretty late in the series, so I'm hoping the series will just adapt the good part of Invincible. There is a decent enough ending point before it gets really bad.

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