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Dec 23, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations


IShallRiseAgain posted:

Well, the comic does get really really bad after a certain point, and it does do exactly that. However, that happens pretty late in the series, so I'm hoping the series will just adapt the good part of Invincible. There is a decent enough ending point before it gets really bad.

Around which issues/story does it get bad? I read the series pretty far and eventually gave up.

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JT Smiley
Mar 3, 2006
Thats whats up!

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Well, the comic does get really really bad after a certain point, and it does do exactly that. However, that happens pretty late in the series, so I'm hoping the series will just adapt the good part of Invincible. There is a decent enough ending point before it gets really bad.

I'm guessing I'm not the only person who stopped reading towards the end of the series when a really hosed up thing happens. And I'm not gonna say what that is but I'm sure anyone who's read it knows exactly what I'm talking about.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



People make way too big a deal of it, but even if it did cause you to stop, it's issue #111 out of #144. I think it's good all the way through.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA


I really didn't care much for the trailer and I had a really bad hunch that this was going to be absolute crap.

But its solid. The animation kicks it up at certain points in the fights and Omni-Man is just as scary as he should be. Really liked the way they did "Earth is not yours to conquer"

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



Yeah I noticed that too. Given the nature and intensivity of animation work, on long anime series you'll have a string of episodes that look bleh but then in a major fight the quality gets insanely good. There's actually a term for it I can't recall. Not that the non-action animation in Invisible is bad necessarily, but they do kick it up for the big fights. I'm trying to figure out what the style reminds me of though.

One thing that gives me pause is that this show's cast is almost a little too stacked for an animated show. Like Mahershala Ali as Titan? Steven Yeun has a good shot at an Oscar this year, which would make him the third winner to have a role on this show. They booked all this before COVID right, I'd almost say that it was just that a bunch of A- and B- list actors had some time to kill during quarantine. Amazon must be spreading money on it.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

Clarke has more acting talent in her brows than most other actors, including herself, have in their entire body.



The thing with "what if superman was evil?" and "isn't superman actually an alien overlord who took over planet earth?" is that Superman already did those plots and explored those themes. it's not really new, and really not that dark and bleak. I dunno, I guess I'll continue watching this show but I guess my point is that "what if superman was an insecure weirdo with mommy issues?" makes a better premise and that's why I prefer The Boys over this. But I'll watch it, of course I will.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Itís more about Mark. The Omni-man stuff is set up for what comes later but itís not a story about evil super man.

Anyway I think itís probably smart that they varied up the races vs the comic. But knowing what happens with Amber later on I could see it generating some think pieces down the road.

Ccs fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 27, 2021

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004



Does anyone else feel like these episodes are like 15 mins too long? I'm enjoying the show but it seems like there is alot of fluff.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I really like it. I just finished episode 3 and this is everything I could have asked for out of an Invincible adaption.

Blastedhellscape
Jan 1, 2008


I never read the comic and I'm enjoying this show a lot. So far the ultra-violence has been put to pretty good dramatic effect, and I especially liked the alien invasion scene.

It's such a cliche in comics and comic-based cartoons to see aliens rolling future-tanks and troops down a city street while laser beams fly and civilians flee, and they shot the scene exactly the way I've seen it a million times before. Except here instead of the lasers flying harmlessly overhead they're just mercing people left and right, in a way that's both casual and horrifying. Mark just completely freezing up in horror was believable and well executed. Also liked how Walton Goggins gave the whole incident the 9-11 treatment later, complaining about exactly how many civilian casualties there had been.

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.




It seems like maybe after the second alien invasion downtown, you'd maybe think about evacuating the downtown core for like a week or something?

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"


This show is pretty rad thus far.

VIOLENT....

....but rad.

I had never heard of the comic before yesterday.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


I read the comic way way back in the day and had forgotten most of it and for some reason when I was watching the show I kept hearing 'Atom Eve' as 'Adam Eve' which was real confusing. It doesn't help that they changed the logo on her chest from a female gender symbol superimposed with an atom design to a female gender symbol that is crossed out




Plus I'm a huge idiot, that didn't help either.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Yeah her name is wordplay on that but it doesnít come off as clearly when not text

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA


Yeah I forgot about that what the gently caress is up with her crossed out symbol?

NmareBfly
Jul 16, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!




I assume the regular one was too hard to animate? Or like they had to flip between a higher quality one and a zoomed out one so it was weird.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001


idk end of ep1 it's pretty clear that nolan was sandbagging it to let himself get hurt in service of his alibi, as soon as he decided to he put them right down

part of why i checked this out is i love walton goggins but it sounds like he's phoning it in

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001





Wheeee posted:

idk end of ep1 it's pretty clear that nolan was sandbagging it to let himself get hurt in service of his alibi, as soon as he decided to he put them right down

I didn't see it that way. It seems like he really did try and just got his rear end beat into a coma. I mean Cecil was perfectly happy to assume that some supervillains did it. Him being there just raises more questions. I doubt anyone would have even suspected him at all if he wasn't there.

Pussy Quipped
Jan 29, 2009



I watched this knowing nothing about it and after the first episode ended I felt like I was going to be sick.

I like it.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I read the comic way way back in the day and had forgotten most of it and for some reason when I was watching the show I kept hearing 'Atom Eve' as 'Adam Eve' which was real confusing. It doesn't help that they changed the logo on her chest from a female gender symbol superimposed with an atom design to a female gender symbol that is crossed out




Plus I'm a huge idiot, that didn't help either.

I noticed that she has shorts rather than a bikini bottom for her outfit too.

The best thing about this is the voice cast, everyone is so good in their roles, i love Jason Mantzoukas as Rex Splode, the perfect voice for such a smarmy rear end in a top hat. I get the feeling this is a real passion project to Steve Yuen, having a half Asian superhero out there front and center.

My biggest issue with it is A) the animation is very generic, it looks a lot like the really forgettable DC animated movies that lack any distinct style, but the comic didn't really have anything special about its artwork either. It's serviceable to the plot but that's about it. and B) everyone is pretty much just another hero, maybe gender or aged swapped; Atom Eve is Invisible Woman, Rex is Boom Boom, Multi-Kate is Multiple Man, I choose to believe Robot is Robot Man due to their copper colouring and more Doom Patrol homages is good, and so on. Obviously having "Superman but this" isn't something unique to Invincible and it's also hard to think of new and unique powers, still it sorta makes me think of the Venture Bros superheroes but without the jokes. I mentioned this in the BSS thread and a Goon mentioned how it showed a deep and long history of superheroes, which yea I totally get that feeling from it, but still it can't help but feel derivative.

Story is good enough to keep me interested and make those two issues not really problems. It is a Kirkman comic so I prepaired for it to meander and loose focus after an initial major story hook of Omni-Man killing the Guardians for some reason, was he doing it because he wanted to, was it because he was being controlled? Why did Robot let Kevin Michael Richardson out of his cell? . I am bracing myself for some "i know the world is about to end but i have high school drama to deal with!" kind of stuff as well.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

I didn't see it that way. It seems like he really did try and just got his rear end beat into a coma. I mean Cecil was perfectly happy to assume that some supervillains did it. Him being there just raises more questions. I doubt anyone would have even suspected him at all if he wasn't there.

In the comic book SPOILERS he kills them all easily (most of them never even see him coming) and then leaves and pretty much avoids all suspicion, they assume it was supervillains again but the show diverges from the comic on a fair few things so that might not mean anything


twistedmentat posted:

I mentioned this in the BSS thread and a Goon mentioned how it showed a deep and long history of superheroes, which yea I totally get that feeling from it, but still it can't help but feel derivative.

The derivative/referential stuff is pretty much just a jumping off point. The show has even avoided a few comicbook cliches that the book used such as supervillains interrupting the big funeral

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

I didn't see it that way. It seems like he really did try and just got his rear end beat into a coma. I mean Cecil was perfectly happy to assume that some supervillains did it. Him being there just raises more questions. I doubt anyone would have even suspected him at all if he wasn't there.

Yeah, Red Rush punching Nolan actually tears his costume and visibly injures him, so it seems safe to assume that he was doing some real damage.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I like the changes from the comic. Varying up the races is smart, costume adjustments are smart, style changes arenít too drastic, it looks a lot like Cory Walkers early art with some of the Studio Mir/Legend of Korra influenced stylization. (I know theyíre not the ones animating it but it has very visible influences and the animation supervisors in Korea mightíve worked on Avatar)

shirunei
Sep 7, 2018

I tried to run away. To take the easy way out. I'll live through the suffering. When I die, I want to feel like I did my best.

mcmagic posted:

Does anyone else feel like these episodes are like 15 mins too long? I'm enjoying the show but it seems like there is alot of fluff.

No

everydayfalls
Aug 23, 2016


Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I read the comic way way back in the day and had forgotten most of it and for some reason when I was watching the show I kept hearing 'Atom Eve' as 'Adam Eve' which was real confusing. It doesn't help that they changed the logo on her chest from a female gender symbol superimposed with an atom design to a female gender symbol that is crossed out




Plus I'm a huge idiot, that didn't help either.

Until your post I thought it was Adam Eve as well. I thought there was going to be some play on gender norms with the symbol plus the dual gender name.

HardKase
Jul 15, 2007
TASTY

I have never read the comic but have seen the first 3 episodes.

I have theories involving omni man's race invading earth and invincible having to choose between the homeworld of his people and his father and his home, eventually forcing him to overcome his own father and become is own man.

But I'm kinda stupid so I'm probably wrong.

Yeah, I heard Adam eve as well, eventually figured out it was supposed to be atom.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


twistedmentat posted:

everyone is pretty much just another hero, maybe gender or aged swapped
Some of them are so blatant I don't understand how they got away with it. You can't call something a parody if you literally just changed the name and nothing else, and that's clearly all they did with Batman and the Flash. I initially assumed it must be owned by DC and wondered why they weren't just using their characters' real names but, having looked it up, it seems it's not?

misguided rage
Jun 15, 2010

God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title

I guess they didn't last long enough for anyone to complain?

First half of the first episode was dire. Very uninterested in the high school drama part of it but the rest is entertaining enough that I'll likely watch the rest of it. I'll probably wait until it's all out to watch it all at once, this doesn't really strike me as a show that's great as a weekly thing.

Also originally I didn't know Invincible was a thing, so I heard about the show and thought it was gonna be about Imbattable. Not sure how they would've done it but it seems like it would be way more interesting.

misguided rage fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Mar 29, 2021

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

Pastiches of the Justice League are incredibly common in works that aren't by DC. Even Marvel has them. In fact, Marvel had two such teams, one of which was invented just to be dispatched, like this team.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



Argue posted:

Pastiches of the Justice League are incredibly common in works that aren't by DC. Even Marvel has them. In fact, Marvel had two such teams, one of which was invented just to be dispatched, like this team.

Image Comics had multiples, too, of which this was only one of them.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



Yea, they had Sun God, the Rider, the Norn, i can't remember the rest. Hyperion is also Superman and his team is straight up the Justice League. But they're different enough that they don't seem like repainted originals, here they really feel like it.

My only experiance with Invincible is that crossover where he met the Avengers and asked if Luke Cage's name was Black Man after being introduced to Spider-Man.

I might as well just dig up the panel

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


If I heard the show correctly, this version of Wonder Woman is called War Woman. Which is basically perfect, as far as zero effort brand name knockoffs go.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Yeah they're super blatant knockoffs, except perhaps for Immortal. The city Darkwing lives in even has the red sky that Gotham had in the 90s Batman cartoon.

Image likes clowning on the other comics companies. Later in the series heroes from Image's own greater library of heroes show up, like Savage Dragon and Brit.

Btw Savage Dragon is a... weird comic. It's like if they took a typical superhero story and unlike in Invincible, where they went the violence route, they went the porn route instead.

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

Don't see the point of spending a whole lot of effort on characters whose purpose is fulfilled so quickly. You paint fast, in bright colors and big swatches, and let the cultural osmosis fill in the details since you haven't got a lot of time for them.

It did bug me a bit that that scene wasn't as effortless as in the comic, but someone up thread pointed out the alternate reading of serving Nolan's alibi and he does just kind of wreck face as soon as he's decided he's had enough to make it look good. Little sad to not see "I never liked you."

Nundizo
Feb 9, 2021


mcmagic posted:

Does anyone else feel like these episodes are like 15 mins too long? I'm enjoying the show but it seems like there is alot of fluff.

Indeed

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


Ccs posted:

Yeah they're super blatant knockoffs, except perhaps for Immortal.

He's pretty much "What if Vandal Savage was a hero and not a villain" with extra powers

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



He's dressed like a New God so I always assumed he was supposed to be one of them

Doom2020!
Dec 31, 2020

If you think this has a happy ending then you really haven't been paying attention

HardKase posted:

I have never read the comic but have seen the first 3 episodes.

I have theories involving omni man's race invading earth and invincible having to choose between the homeworld of his people and his father and his home, eventually forcing him to overcome his own father and become is own man.

But I'm kinda stupid so I'm probably wrong.

Yeah, I heard Adam eve as well, eventually figured out it was supposed to be atom.

Not going to spoil anything but never feel bad for guessing. I enjoyed the piss out of this comic back in the day and think a good portion of viewers will like where it heads. Hoping the show is cheap and successful enough to last a few seasons at least as there are certain characters I am dying to see.

I still wish I could remember if I peaced out at the end of the "good era" and what exact issue. I hope the comic diverges at least a little as I like to be surprised. Anyone know why they made Seance Dog and not Science Dog? Is it because the comic was a Tom Strong homage?

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



It's a Kirkman thing where he has an okay decently edgy but not too much thing going on, then he goes all Negan and you get fatigued.

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Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




Doom2020! posted:


I still wish I could remember if I peaced out at the end of the "good era" and what exact issue. I hope the comic diverges at least a little as I like to be surprised. Anyone know why they made Seance Dog and not Science Dog? Is it because the comic was a Tom Strong homage?

Maybe they felt Dr.Strange was a superhero reference more people would know? I dunno. When I first heard "Seance Dog" I was like "That's a weird way to pronounce Science".

My reason for peacing out on Invincible was super petty. I hated how they bolded certain words so the reader couldn't put their own emphasis on what they wanted to in the sentence while reading. After a certain point I found it so aggravating that I couldn't be bothered to read another issue.

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