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Snowglobe of Doom posted:He was even less competent in the comic. He was also more of a rorschach spoof too.
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I did not read the comics, but I'll put this in spoilers because I don't know I felt the show made this pretty obvious but, re: omni-man's motivations: isn't it pretty on-the-nose and even explicit that HE IS the Alien invader who is taking over the earth? everything he describes to his son is basically just imperialist apologia. . Idk, especially the delivery of Earth is not YOURs to conquer made it feel like it wasn't supposed to be too mysterious. I think.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I did not read the comics, but I'll put this in spoilers because I don't know I felt the show made this pretty obvious but, re: omni-man's motivations: isn't it pretty on-the-nose and even explicit that HE IS the Alien invader who is taking over the earth? everything he describes to his son is basically just imperialist apologia. . Yeah, I think the show's been pretty straightforward about his motivations. It's using subtext, but it's not like it's not completely straightforward in delivering that. See also: the way the John Carpenter pastiche plays out. Pretty clever stuff, and not the kind of intertextual play I expected from Robert Kirkman.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I did not read the comics, but I'll put this in spoilers because I don't know I felt the show made this pretty obvious but, re: omni-man's motivations: isn't it pretty on-the-nose and even explicit that HE IS the Alien invader who is taking over the earth? everything he describes to his son is basically just imperialist apologia. . His dialogue to mark explaining what the viltrumites do around the universe was a sincere white man's burden.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I did not read the comics, but I'll put this in spoilers because I don't know I felt the show made this pretty obvious but, re: omni-man's motivations: isn't it pretty on-the-nose and even explicit that HE IS the Alien invader who is taking over the earth? everything he describes to his son is basically just imperialist apologia. . Definitely. This is all speculation, I haven't read the comics, and only involves what we've seen up to episode 4 so I don't think I need spoilers? The question though is just exactly how its going to go down. Are ALL Viltrumites like this? (Probably!) Is he just controlling and wants to be the sole protector on Earth? Is he trying to prevent Earth from becoming more powerful than Viltrumite? Or is he straight up Zod and he's planning on blowing up the Earth to help Viltrumite in some way? (remake it, gather resources, whatever) What's his endgame? The conversation he had with his son, about how all his plans changed when he met his wife and had his son, (ostensibly nothing suspicious) I wonder if that wasn't hinting at something more. Like maybe Omni-man was sent here to destroy or conquer Earth, and he's already reached the point where he should have done so. However, having fallen in love and having had a son, he now feels conflicted? He can't straight up destroy Earth without pissing off his wife, but he also can't allow Earth to grow any more or else Viltrumite may notice that he failed to do his job and send another to come check up on him or something?
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I will say that J.K. Simmons voice acting makes Omni-Man come off way more sinister than he was in the comics. Even knowing how it plays out every scene with him makes me feel on edge. Speaking of the comic I went back and started it again and that early artwork is rough to say the least.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I did not read the comics, but I'll put this in spoilers because I don't know I felt the show made this pretty obvious but, re: omni-man's motivations: isn't it pretty on-the-nose and even explicit that HE IS the Alien invader who is taking over the earth? everything he describes to his son is basically just imperialist apologia. . Who was the "Nazis don't wear capes" guy from the Boys thread? I wish he'd come in here and start speculating.
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muscles like this! posted:Yeah, Red Rush punching Nolan actually tears his costume and visibly injures him, so it seems safe to assume that he was doing some real damage. That sequence reminded me of the speeders in Uber.
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Out of that whole sequence him desperately punching with his shattered hands really left an impressive.
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I'm going to be the one to complain about powers consistency. In episode 3 He flies to the moon in a matter of seconds right? and presumably finds his way back to earth. Then in episode 4 he is struggling to break the sound barrier.
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Youtube served up the, uh, fight from episode 1 in my recommendations. What is with Amazon's TV division and evil superman analogs? Is this just another show about how yo, putting your faith in hyperpowerful individual people is probably not a good idea with MAXIMUM GORE like The Boys?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Youtube served up the, uh, fight from episode 1 in my recommendations. What is with Amazon's TV division and evil superman analogs? Is this just another show about how yo, putting your faith in hyperpowerful individual people is probably not a good idea with MAXIMUM GORE like The Boys? No I’d say Invincible is Kirkman throwing everything he likes about superhero comics and sci fi weirdness and even some occult stuff into one show. Currently it’s about evil superman but there’s evolving plots about alien parasites and dimensional invaders and teen superhero angst and middle age relationship drama and on and on. The comic sorta became like if the entire Marvel or DC universe was contained in one series. Episode 4 really reminded me how many side plots Invincible is always juggling. There’s always something new happening, some plot thread to simmer in the background for a dozen issues before becoming the main focus, so the world just keeps expanding.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Youtube served up the, uh, fight from episode 1 in my recommendations. What is with Amazon's TV division and evil superman analogs? Is this just another show about how yo, putting your faith in hyperpowerful individual people is probably not a good idea with MAXIMUM GORE like The Boys? If you want to understand the show you should watch the whole episode, watching something from the end of a build-up out of context tends to give you the wrong impression  It is like The Boys in that its about superheroes and the consequences of them actually existing, but no its not really like The Boys in plot and you should give it a chance or otherwise just move on who cares.
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I’m a little bummed they sacrificed the cult of Burger Mart garbage in London for the secret service step-dad and his son, but I am curious what other side gags from the comics those two will probably also absorb.
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This show very different from The Boys. It's like saying Deadpool is the same as Logan because both are super violent movies with superheros.
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Apr 4, 2021 12:25
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The Boys is more of a satire, interested in the horror of the ubermensch. Invincible is a dark fantasy drama superbeings, that takes their world seriously. But it's still a comic book world, with enough differences so as to be legally distinct. The superbeings are scary, but what they do is essentially, pragmatically good. That's not a knock, I like both, but I currently prefer Invicible. Feels like it has more to say than the second season of The Boys. But they're different.
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Surprised I haven't seen anyone point out what a visual downgrade episode 4 was. I suppose it wasn't super surprising to see that they clearly spent more money on the first three episodes, I assumed that was going to happen when they said they were doing 45-minute length shows, but it was still kind of off-putting to see these low quality 3d models suddenly being used very openly in episode 4. It wasn't *too* bad but some of the Mars scenes really looked like trash.
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The first couple of episodes had some cheap animation parts. Like Mark flying in episode one had some bits where they were just jiggling a still image over the background.
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muscles like this! posted:The first couple of episodes had some cheap animation parts. Like Mark flying in episode one had some bits where they were just jiggling a still image over the background. Yes, and this looked way worse than that.
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Hakkesshu posted:Yes, and this looked way worse than that. I mean if you’re going to nitpick the scene at the kitchen table was way worse. Still frames with a barely animated mouth. But you have to pick your battles. Saving money on scenes with very little movement so they can splurge on battle scenes is par for the course in animation. It’s all about how you hide it.
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I found it really neat how similar it felt to the early 2000s Justice League cartoon and the other DC cartoons of the era. And then the gore happened and it got more interesting!
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Liking the adaptation so far but I gotta say that casting jason mantzoukas as Rex splode is just the absolute worst and most distracting thing. Just a terrible decision for so many reasons
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Agree, and I love Mantzoukas; his casting and the needle-drop soundtrack are just ill-fitting and grating in a way I don't think they intended.
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Nikumatic posted:Agree, and I love Mantzoukas; his casting and the needle-drop soundtrack are just ill-fitting and grating in a way I don't think they intended. I also like Mantzoukas generally but his voice just works better in a purely joke role and not in a main cast slot that’s probably gonna need some nuance So distracting every time he’s onscreen
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Good Citizen posted:Liking the adaptation so far but I gotta say that casting jason mantzoukas as Rex splode is just the absolute worst and most distracting thing. Just a terrible decision for so many reasons I like the Zook but he just sounds weird as a teenager character.
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Not sure what else I've seen/heard Mantzoukas in but in this he basically just sounds like a superhero version of his character in Big Mouth and, I dunno, I find it grating myself
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Good Citizen posted:I also like Mantzoukas generally but his voice just works better in a purely joke role and not in a main cast slot that’s probably gonna need some nuance I dunno so far Rex Splode has been purely played up as a living joke. But its a very repetitive one so I'm sick of him too. On the other end most casting is great. Robot is perfect. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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Not only does he sound way too old, the voice just doesn't suit the character at all. Like Rex is a scumbag character sure, but not a Mantzoukas type scumbag.
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Zaphod42 posted:Robot is perfect. Probably not long for that world. After all, he is only a robot.
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I've been watching Close Enough recently where Mantzoukas plays a 40 year old college professor and he fits that role much better. Kind of crazy you can be a voice actor and give the same exact voice to a child in Big Mouth, a teenager in Invincible, and a 40 year old in Close Enough and be like "yeah, that tracks."
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Ccs posted:I've been watching Close Enough recently where Mantzoukas plays a 40 year old college professor and he fits that role much better. Kind of crazy you can be a voice actor and give the same exact voice to a child in Big Mouth, a teenager in Invincible, and a 40 year old in Close Enough and be like "yeah, that tracks." Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Everyone they cast in Invincible and Big Mouth are just actors. It's just Mantzoukas's speaking voice for his characters, same with JK Simmons and everyone else. At least Zachary Quinto is trying to sound vaguely like a robot I guess. It's a really weird choice to do a bunch of casting like this and then just apparently hire Grey Griffin to fill in all the remaining voices. I'm not saying it's bad but it really shows that 90% of the cast are some notable names in live action acting, rather than voiceover performers.
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Good Citizen posted:Liking the adaptation so far but I gotta say that casting jason mantzoukas as Rex splode is just the absolute worst and most distracting thing. Just a terrible decision for so many reasons Malpais Legate posted:Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Everyone they cast in Invincible and Big Mouth are just actors. It's just Mantzoukas's speaking voice for his characters, same with JK Simmons and everyone else. At least Zachary Quinto is trying to sound vaguely like a robot I guess. It's a really weird choice to do a bunch of casting like this and then just apparently hire Grey Griffin to fill in all the remaining voices. I came into this thread to say I've watched four episodes and the voices are really distracting. Either they sound like regular speaking voices of the actors or they sound like one trying way too hard at doing a different voice, like clone guy(s) or the demon detective. Come on, "tighten throat muscles and growl your words" can't be the only idea they have for a voice. The most distracting for me are Rex Splode and Cecil. A lot's been said about Mantzoukas, but Walton Goggins doesn't match Cecil at all.
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ruddiger posted:I’m a little bummed they sacrificed the cult of Burger Mart garbage in London for the secret service step-dad and his son, but I am curious what other side gags from the comics those two will probably also absorb. One of my favorite gags from the comic isn't really possible anymore either Damien Darkblood actually being really bad at his job.
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Zaphod42 posted:Definitely. Grem posted:Who was the "Nazis don't wear capes" guy from the Boys thread? I wish he'd come in here and start speculating. Open Source Idiom posted:The Boys is more of a satire, interested in the horror of the ubermensch. I like that comparison. Love the Boys but it takes the piss out of everything, including itself. Heard the Boys comic was even more rough about it. Invincible will always be that comic from my teens that weird bridge between reading kid comics and more serious fare. I read a ton of comics of varying types at that time but there was something special about Invincible and I can't even tell you why. Now I'm a bit sad I never finished it. edit: Weird semi related comics Question for you guys. I know Disney owns all Marvel but did they get Spider-Man yet? Just wondering if there was a possibility for crossovers with different company characters. DC is all Warner Brothers correct? Who owns Hellboy/BPRD? Doom2020! fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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LifeLynx posted:I came into this thread to say I've watched four episodes and the voices are really distracting. Either they sound like regular speaking voices of the actors or they sound like one trying way too hard at doing a different voice, like clone guy(s) or the demon detective. Come on, "tighten throat muscles and growl your words" can't be the only idea they have for a voice. The most distracting for me are Rex Splode and Cecil. A lot's been said about Mantzoukas, but Walton Goggins doesn't match Cecil at all. Ironically the voices for the clone and the demon are career voice actors. I don't mind most of the voices. I actually think even Mantzoukas is alright for the character, I'm just a bit tired of hearing him in everything I'm currently watching.
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one of the funniest bits so far has been how absolutely useless that batman analogue was. just a bag of blood and meat that exploded when omni man got his hands on him and how there was nothing said about his value in the secret funeral. Show feels like it's all over the place, but it makes sense they'd have a project like this that'll bring in people for when the boys is between seasons. i'll probably take a peak at the comics because i love alternate superhero worlds/one offs.
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