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Space? Robots? Gungans? Lions who are Jesus? You won't find any of that poo poo here. This is a thread for discussing the big questions, like who is Gothmog, are there one or two Glorfindels, and how much better is Rankin-Bass's Return of the King to Peter Jackson's? No longer will the Book Barn have a monopoly on elf chat. Pictured: me and my boyfriend stealing in to start a thread  e: SA considers ë to be an invalid character in thread titles but I promise you all that I know the correct way to spell Fëanor. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 00:53
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wait this is an actual question that I know I knew the answer to at some point but forgot, how do orcs reproduce? is it all asexual like the Uruk-hai?
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Mar 27, 2021 00:54
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I think Balrogs had wings but also I think that how gravity works means those wings probably wouldn't be sufficient to allow them to actually fly, not that such things would be a big deal to Tolkien.
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Mar 27, 2021 00:59
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reignofevil posted:I think Balrogs had wings but also I think that how gravity works means those wings probably wouldn't be sufficient to allow them to actually fly, not that such things would be a big deal to Tolkien. yeah but if dragons could fly balrogs probably could definitely fly. I don't think they could fly though because then the balrog would of just flew over Durin's bridge
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Mar 27, 2021 01:08
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indigi posted:wait this is an actual question that I know I knew the answer to at some point but forgot, how do orcs reproduce? is it all asexual like the Uruk-hai? uhh lurtz def fucks
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Mar 27, 2021 05:42
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Those spinny anti-arrow things from the Hobbit movies that the dwarfs used were dope and also hilarious because they were clearly invented as a gently caress you directly to the elves, and if you didn't like them for not being realistic you're a big nerd.
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Mar 27, 2021 08:01
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banned from Starbucks posted:uhh lurtz def fucks but is it for reproduction or just for pleasure?
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Mar 27, 2021 12:14
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So like, after the second war of the ring do you think there are a bunch of Gondor middle bureaucrats with tactilol ranger gear?
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Mar 27, 2021 12:49
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The majority of what I know about Tolkien's world building at this point is from his nonfiction writing (letters, academic stuff) and the Blind Guardian album about the Silmarillion. Edgar Allen Ho posted:but is it for reproduction or just for pleasure? As much as Tolkien talks about elf-loving afaik he doesn't talk that much about orc loving other than that at one point it was the same, so presumably yeah. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhmqtoUxqZg
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Mar 27, 2021 18:14
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Tulip posted:The majority of what I know about Tolkien's world building at this point is from his nonfiction writing (letters, academic stuff) and the Blind Guardian album about the Silmarillion. yeah but elves autoperish if they’re about to be raped, so idk how the first generation of orcs was bred in utumno given that they would have been direct offspring of the original elves, nor if you could even breed that trait out of them. maybe Melkor invented some form of IVF
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Mar 27, 2021 22:00
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do orcs go to the halls of mandos???
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Mar 27, 2021 22:01
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1KbvBayqPH4
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Mar 28, 2021 01:48
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Orcs are just elves who lapsed in their skincare regimen you can't trick me, woodsfolk!!
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Mar 28, 2021 13:20
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Tulip posted:the Blind Guardian album about the Silmarillion. an excellent album
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Mar 29, 2021 13:52
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Tulip posted:As much as Tolkien talks about elf-loving ... am i forgetting some parts of the lord of the rings or is this in the silmarillion
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Mar 30, 2021 07:51
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:am i forgetting some parts of the lord of the rings or is this in the silmarillion Lol, Christopher Tolkien didn't let this poo poo into the Silmarillion. It was in Tolkien's other writings: letters and various musings on his many drafts of the Silmarillion that went nowhere. A lot of it is in the History of Middle-earth though.
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Mar 30, 2021 10:40
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Glorfindel owns , as well as fingolfins death
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Apr 6, 2021 01:43
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Sylink posted:Glorfindel owns , as well as fingolfins death yah agreed. freaking Hurin. way to go dipshit
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Apr 6, 2021 02:18
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Tolkien handwaving contradictions away with 'an unreliable narrator did it' is honestly a very clever way to enjoy exploring worldbuilding without worrying about if you have every detail consistent at all times.
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Apr 6, 2021 23:27
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Tsaedje posted:Tolkien handwaving contradictions away with 'an unreliable narrator did it' is honestly a very clever way to enjoy exploring worldbuilding without worrying about if you have every detail consistent at all times. A lot of older novels had this obsession with documenting how the story came down to the audience, so it was a fairly well established trope even at the time. Modern writers usually don't go that direction because modern readers are completely willing to accept that the novel just exists. It's hard to have an unreliable narrator in a book that isn't narrated though.
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Apr 6, 2021 23:42
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sweet geek swag posted:A lot of older novels had this obsession with documenting how the story came down to the audience this is the same instinct behind people posting what their precocious 8 year old supposedly said on Twitter
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Apr 6, 2021 23:48
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you won't believe what my little hobbit buddy just did...
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Apr 7, 2021 00:32
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sweet geek swag posted:A lot of older novels had this obsession with documenting how the story came down to the audience, so it was a fairly well established trope even at the time. Modern writers usually don't go that direction because modern readers are completely willing to accept that the novel just exists. It's hard to have an unreliable narrator in a book that isn't narrated though. There's also inspiration from real world mythologies where there are different versions that don't line up perfectly because oral history + passage of time. How many balrogs were there? Thousands, a handful? He could change his mind to suit whatever story he wanted to tell. Unreliable narrator is probably the wrong term, but if you have the framing device that you're just recording a history/mythology that's been passed down you can get around any times you've changed your mind along the way with 'some accounts say this, others say that' and be done with it without any of it being 'wrong'. Then decades later people can make a career out of clickbaity youtube videos debating what the correct number of balrogs is.
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Apr 7, 2021 00:42
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I like the theory that Gandalf is Manwe
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Apr 7, 2021 01:27
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indigi posted:this is the same instinct behind people posting what their precocious 8 year old supposedly said on Twitter Attributing things you want to say to other people is a classic move. Dao De Jing, for example, is framed as "This super old super wise guy told this to a guard before he disappeared into the wilderness never to be heard from again." The Constitution of the Athenians is almost certainly by a "Pseudo Xenophon" who just pretended to be Xenophon. And of course one of the most famous pieces of Western fiction, Don Quixote, has a pretty elaborate framing device making fun of this whole process. Tsaedje posted:There's also inspiration from real world mythologies where there are different versions that don't line up perfectly because oral history + passage of time. How many balrogs were there? Thousands, a handful? He could change his mind to suit whatever story he wanted to tell. Unreliable narrator is probably the wrong term, but if you have the framing device that you're just recording a history/mythology that's been passed down you can get around any times you've changed your mind along the way with 'some accounts say this, others say that' and be done with it without any of it being 'wrong'. Tolkien's love of iron age poetry really does rule and it's a good approach to fiction to be like "nobody fuckin knows how many balrogs there were."
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Apr 7, 2021 01:33
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I love the random aside in the Hobbit that goblins are responsible for gunpowder
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Apr 7, 2021 05:39
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This is still my favorite thing anyone has ever written on any part of Tolkien's novels: https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html
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Meatgrinder posted:This is still my favorite thing anyone has ever written on any part of Tolkien's novels: this rules
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Apr 8, 2021 00:20
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Gimli's grandfather is Groin
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Cease to Hope posted:Gimli's grandfather is Groin Gróin, please It's pronounced "Grow-in"
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Apr 9, 2021 20:58
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yeah that’s cause I’m growin when I see nanna gimli
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Apr 9, 2021 21:34
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This is my fireplace mantle. A map of Middle Earth, pleather LOTR books, and pipes from my grandfather and dad. I've only read everything but Return of the King which I'm in the multi-month process of reading it since I switch between books I'm reading constantly.  Don't judge me.
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Apr 9, 2021 21:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Gróin, please Tolkien knew how people were going to read it.
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Apr 10, 2021 00:21
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Pennywise the Frown posted:This is my fireplace mantle. A map of Middle Earth, pleather LOTR books, and pipes from my grandfather and dad. I've only read everything but Return of the King which I'm in the multi-month process of reading it since I switch between books I'm reading constantly. I've judged you and I find you "enviable"
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Apr 10, 2021 19:39
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Pennywise the Frown posted:This is my fireplace mantle. A map of Middle Earth, pleather LOTR books, and pipes from my grandfather and dad. I've only read everything but Return of the King which I'm in the multi-month process of reading it since I switch between books I'm reading constantly. This is classy as hell.
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Apr 10, 2021 20:04
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reignofevil posted:This is classy as hell. I, on the other hand, am not.
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Apr 10, 2021 22:35
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Where are the pleather books from?
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Apr 11, 2021 04:46
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I try not to look at maps of middle earth because it ruins the magic for me a little. Thats said, drat thats a fine-rear end map. Wanna take that map out for dinner and let it order some lobster.
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Barudak posted:I try not to look at maps of middle earth because it ruins the magic for me a little. I don't get that. Tolkien LOVED maps. Each book has like 5 maps in them. Plus, how does that take away magic from it? Sorry but that's just a weird thing to say lol. banned from Starbucks posted:Where are the pleather books from? It's the The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings: Deluxe Pocket Boxed Set from Amazon. Yeah they're a bit small but I wouldn't call them "pocket" sized. I really like them. edit: oh it's vinyl. I don't know my materials. But it's supposed to mimic leather. 
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