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skasion: Feb 13, 2012; Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

dubLEs posted:

Tolkien says that an 'e' on the end of a name is pronounced as a distinct vowel and is usually written as '�'. Does that mean the letter is said as 'aye/eh' or 'ee'. As in, Man-wee or Man-way'?

The latter. Elvish e is always an �ay� sound, never �ee� (this is represented by elvish i).

The diaeresis is just there to remind you that the vowel is pronounced and not silent, unlike word-final e sometimes is in English. Personally i think it is kind of unnecessary for Manw�, Finw�, nobody looking at those names would assume the e was silent. But it makes more sense in some other words like Hisilom� (rhymes with day, not with home)

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dubLEs: Oct 9, 2019

skasion posted:

The latter. Elvish e is always an “ay” sound, never “ee” (this is represented by elvish i).

The diaeresis is just there to remind you that the vowel is pronounced and not silent, unlike word-final e sometimes is in English. Personally i think it is kind of unnecessary for Manwë, Finwë, nobody looking at those names would assume the e was silent. But it makes more sense in some other words like Hisilomë (rhymes with day, not with home)

Very helpful post, thanks a lot.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 16:07

Ravenfood: Nov 4, 2011

skasion posted:

The latter. Elvish e is always an “ay” sound, never “ee” (this is represented by elvish i).

The diaeresis is just there to remind you that the vowel is pronounced and not silent, unlike word-final e sometimes is in English. Personally i think it is kind of unnecessary for Manwë, Finwë, nobody looking at those names would assume the e was silent. But it makes more sense in some other words like Hisilomë (rhymes with day, not with home)

I think for Manwe, Finwe, etc it does help make it clearer that it's Man-way instead of
MAN-weh. The ending syllable is longer than it could be.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 17:09

Zesty: Jan 17, 2012; The Great Twist

dubLEs posted:

Tolkien says that an 'e' on the end of a name is pronounced as a distinct vowel and is usually written as '�'. Does that mean the letter is said as 'ay/eh' or 'ee'. As in, Man-wee or Man-way'?

Manny

# ? Mar 30, 2024 19:21

Cease to Hope: Dec 12, 2011

skasion posted:

The latter. Elvish e is always an �ay� sound, never �ee� (this is represented by elvish i).

The diaeresis is just there to remind you that the vowel is pronounced and not silent, unlike word-final e sometimes is in English. Personally i think it is kind of unnecessary for Manw�, Finw�, nobody looking at those names would assume the e was silent. But it makes more sense in some other words like Hisilom� (rhymes with day, not with home)

Sometimes the diacritics are very important, as in the case of Gimli's grandfather, Gr�in.

# ? Mar 30, 2024 23:22