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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Spoiled Victorian Goon.


Hirsute posted:

How'd you do it? I can't get past that part either, softlocks every time

All settings to minimum, unequipped all tools and used the keyboard to interact. Took Kim with me. Absolutely mashed space in the dialogue with Soona so it's over in seconds.

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Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012



So what are all the copotypes in this now, since the update?

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019


Kobal2 posted:

It's also possible Evrart leaves his office late in the day which would softlock you (don't know for sure)

If you arrive after Evrart's left the game gives you a way out.

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019


Hirsute posted:

How'd you do it? I can't get past that part either, softlocks every time

apparently all you need to do is set "environmental FX" to "low", at least that worked for me

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




Gonna force myself to try this again. 5/3/2/2, with Logic as my signature.

Question, is getting thru the game without drugs/alcohol use a reasonable ask?

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!


Ciaphas posted:

Gonna force myself to try this again. 5/3/2/2, with Logic as my signature.

Question, is getting thru the game without drugs/alcohol use a reasonable ask?

I didn't use drugs or booze at all the time I played (the game comments on this a few times)

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020


Yeah, my initial Harry was sorry boring centrist cop who stayed sober as penance. Totally possible and the crew at the end congratulates you on it, iirc.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I don't Want to be this kind of animal anymore.



Ciaphas posted:

Gonna force myself to try this again. 5/3/2/2, with Logic as my signature.

Question, is getting thru the game without drugs/alcohol use a reasonable ask?

Getting sober can be a big turning point for Harry.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




Sobriety aside I'm already paralyzed deciding between 'reasonable' and 'potentially funny'



(thought i saw someone mention hobocop earlier, guess this is what they meant)

EorayMel
May 29, 2015

You got the fluffy kitty kitty!


Why the gently caress would you wanna be sober?????

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011



Question regarding Evrart and his help is it possible to find Harry's gun without him? I've already discovered I had pawned it before I talked to him., Just wondering if I actually need him at all or if I can find The Pigs on my own.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011




Ciaphas posted:

Sobriety aside I'm already paralyzed deciding between 'reasonable' and 'potentially funny'



(thought i saw someone mention hobocop earlier, guess this is what they meant)

Hobocop is really funny but the other thought is great if you're okay with being a speedfreak.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011




Eason the Fifth posted:

Yeah, my initial Harry was sorry boring centrist cop who stayed sober as penance. Totally possible and the crew at the end congratulates you on it, iirc.

I really like the summary Kim gives of you in the end briefing, if more people happened to screencap theirs I'd be happy to see them, here's mine



Yuran M. Bazil
Jun 20, 2008



Proletarian Mango posted:

Question regarding Evrart and his help is it possible to find Harry's gun without him? I've already discovered I had pawned it before I talked to him., Just wondering if I actually need him at all or if I can find The Pigs on my own.

Also interested in this I told evrart I didn't want his help, and the "find your gun" task completed there and then, which makes me think I'm locked out of finding it, which is pretty lame

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007

my name is john carter



Proletarian Mango posted:

Question regarding Evrart and his help is it possible to find Harry's gun without him? I've already discovered I had pawned it before I talked to him., Just wondering if I actually need him at all or if I can find The Pigs on my own.

you need his help to find The Pigs

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011




Why would you not want to work with Evrart? He wants to get the children off drugs and on rollerskates.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

Randarkman posted:

Why would you not want to work with Evrart? He wants to get the children off drugs and on rollerskates.

There's something about this that I haven't figured out yet. Is Evart really going to do a good thing with his youth center? Joyce had some weird nostalgic plans for the coastal village and I'm wondering if forging the signatures will paradoxically result in better outcomes for that area?

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007

my name is john carter



Kraftwerk posted:

There's something about this that I haven't figured out yet. Is Evart really going to do a good thing with his youth center? Joyce had some weird nostalgic plans for the coastal village and I'm wondering if forging the signatures will paradoxically result in better outcomes for that area?

there is a check (I believe it's a passive one) you can pass that will basically say Evrart seems sincere in his desire to build the youth center despite being a corrupt bag of scum. he does have interest in doing positive things for the area, even if it's for negative reasons

CaptainRat
Apr 18, 2003

Smooth




Aye Doc posted:

there is a check (I believe it's a passive one) you can pass that will basically say Evrart seems sincere in his desire to build the youth center despite being a corrupt bag of scum. he does have interest in doing positive things for the area, even if it's for negative reasons

There's also another check you can do that will say the subtextual plan of the agreement he asks you to get signatures for is to passive-aggressively drive the villagers out of their homes through endless construction noise and limited street access. Evrart is a land of contrasts.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...





Are there any playthroughs of the OG game (unless you know of a good Final Cut one that started) where someone actually takes the time to discuss some of the gameíssymbolism and politics? Likely the only way I would be into an LP of this but need something to hold me over cause Iím too busy to really sink my teeth in at the moment.

Bonus points if theyíre not some neolib dipshit like every Twitch streamer who just wants politics to shutup so they can keep making money off donations from whales.

Simone Magus
Sep 29, 2020




Just fuckin lol at them just now getting around to saying the PS4 patch isn't even ready

People always try to be like "well you know, contracts, capitalism, maybe they CAN'T say anything!" but like, no, that's not doing it for me, I literally can't imagine what would prevent them from doing SOME communication

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019


Kraftwerk posted:

There's something about this that I haven't figured out yet. Is Evart really going to do a good thing with his youth center? Joyce had some weird nostalgic plans for the coastal village and I'm wondering if forging the signatures will paradoxically result in better outcomes for that area?

Latish game spoilers: I'm pretty sure after you send the letter off Evart lays his cards on the table; he's planning to seize the habour from Wild Pines and re-invest the resulting funds into restoring Martinaise to its fromer glory, while simultaneously placing the Union as the de-facto government of the district. This plan is pretty much the natural continunation of the Union's role in Martinase over the previous years, and presents the same issue; while it's clear that the Union is the only organisation that has done anything to actually govern and improve the standards of living in the district, it also means handing more control over to someone as slimy as Evrart.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006


EDIT: wrong thread

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.



Clapping Larry

weekly font posted:

Are there any playthroughs of the OG game (unless you know of a good Final Cut one that started) where someone actually takes the time to discuss some of the game’ssymbolism and politics? Likely the only way I would be into an LP of this but need something to hold me over cause I’m too busy to really sink my teeth in at the moment.

Bonus points if they’re not some neolib dipshit like every Twitch streamer who just wants politics to shutup so they can keep making money off donations from whales.

There was a nice screenshot one on this very forum. Or did you want video?

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

Vagabong posted:

Latish game spoilers: I'm pretty sure after you send the letter off Evart lays his cards on the table; he's planning to seize the habour from Wild Pines and re-invest the resulting funds into restoring Martinaise to its fromer glory, while simultaneously placing the Union as the de-facto government of the district. This plan is pretty much the natural continunation of the Union's role in Martinase over the previous years, and presents the same issue; while it's clear that the Union is the only organisation that has done anything to actually govern and improve the standards of living in the district, it also means handing more control over to someone as slimy as Evrart.

Seems like the best out of a series of really lovely options. It reminds me of Nationalist China and how the central government lacked the resources and the means to govern the outbound provinces so they relied on local warlords loosely aligned with government but functionally independent and self serving.

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019


Vagabong posted:

it also means handing more control over to someone as slimy as Evrart.

As opposed to the pristine unslimy-ness of the Moralists of the world and their hired killers, or unrepentant bougie scum like Joyce who want to keep a "pornographically poor" neighbourhood around because it's charmingly quaint ? Or worse, fascist assholes (of which, thankfully there isn't really a serious, leading example in the whole of Martinaise right now ; just a bunch of individual little assholes making life worse for everyone around their pissant little sphere of nuisance power... but if fascists are anything, it's easy to lead/dupe/coalesce into a violent force.) ?

Socialisme ou barbarie, bratŗn.

On an unrelated note : I seem to remember that the necktie is supposed to start making comments with Inland Empire at 4+ ; but my current Cop is at 6 and my second-best friend in all the world has yet to chime up. Does it have to be 4+ when you first pick it up from the fan ?

Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 8, 2021

Sokani
Jul 20, 2006



Bison


Vagabong posted:

Latish game spoilers: I'm pretty sure after you send the letter off Evart lays his cards on the table; he's planning to seize the habour from Wild Pines and re-invest the resulting funds into restoring Martinaise to its fromer glory, while simultaneously placing the Union as the de-facto government of the district. This plan is pretty much the natural continunation of the Union's role in Martinase over the previous years, and presents the same issue; while it's clear that the Union is the only organisation that has done anything to actually govern and improve the standards of living in the district, it also means handing more control over to someone as slimy as Evrart.

He also reveals that the harbor will largely be dedicated to the drug trade, legal and otherwise. He's going to improve Martinaise by exporting misery elsewhere.

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019


EorayMel posted:

Why the gently caress would you wanna be sober?????

I love that Electrochemistry turns Harry's addictions into actual quests, complete with little chimes and XP rewards - thus pushing the *player* to feed Harry's demons through their own desperate need for that sweet, sweet dopamine. Very meta, very disco.

EorayMel
May 29, 2015

You got the fluffy kitty kitty!


Kobal2 posted:

I love that Electrochemistry turns Harry's addictions into actual quests, complete with little chimes and XP rewards - thus pushing the *player* to feed Harry's demons through their own desperate need for that sweet, sweet dopamine. Very meta, very disco.

The skill also leads you down a path of substance abuse, giving you quests
to procure amphetamine, or just buy a magnum sized bottle of wine.

These quests are often non-refusable.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



IIRC at one point Electrochemistry breaks the 4th wall by saying you'll never clear your quest log without getting those sweet

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



Simone Magus posted:

Just fuckin lol at them just now getting around to saying the PS4 patch isn't even ready

People always try to be like "well you know, contracts, capitalism, maybe they CAN'T say anything!" but like, no, that's not doing it for me, I literally can't imagine what would prevent them from doing SOME communication

yeah thats been obvious they just didnít have it done. I donít know why they didnít just say that instead of trying to imply it was some sort of certification issue. Like people werenít even really mad about the bugs, they got mad after the announcing a patch was coming in 1-2 days then saying nothing for a week, then implying it was Sonyís fault

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



and then the 1.2 patch on PS5 apparently doesnít even fix the big progress blocking bugs that literally happen to everybody on the console. wild

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

Right in the Kokoro



Sokani posted:

He also reveals that the harbor will largely be dedicated to the drug trade, legal and otherwise. He's going to improve Martinaise by exporting misery elsewhere.

Thatís kind of the point of Evrart as a character. He is the Lenin or Mao of Disco Elysium. He is fighting international capital but he is also so compromised that he will personally guarantee the revolution fails in the end. He is a dead end.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010








Captain Oblivious posted:

Thatís kind of the point of Evrart as a character. He is the Lenin or Mao of Disco Elysium. He is fighting international capital but he is also so compromised that he will personally guarantee the revolution fails in the end. He is a dead end.

you're making a couple of interesting assumptions about the devs' views of a wide number of things here, considering their own analogue to the russian revolution was crushed by international capital swooping in to destroy it.

nabo
Oct 23, 2010


Captain Oblivious posted:

Thatís kind of the point of Evrart as a character. He is the Lenin or Mao of Disco Elysium. He is fighting international capital but he is also so compromised that he will personally guarantee the revolution fails in the end. He is a dead end.

Lenin and Stalin are not interchangeable

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019


Impermanent posted:

you're making a couple of interesting assumptions about the devs' views of a wide number of things here, considering their own analogue to the russian revolution was crushed by international capital swooping in to destroy it.

You can pretty much say the same thing of Stalin and Mao (even if both added their own brand of stupid self-sabotage). Or the French Revolution, or the Commune de Paris, or South America as a whole... Basically every socialist experiment has been crushed from the outside, most often by capital (special mention to Makhno's Ukraine, which got crushed by socialists ; although I suppose one could still ascribe it to capital albeit more indirectly).

The *one thing* liberals do not want is an example of a functional, successful society not controlled by liberals existing and threatening their deathgrip on everything (no matter what that alternative is - doesn't *have* to be Fully Automated Luxury Communism). There is literally no effort or vileness they will not stoop to to prevent that from happening. They would rather destroy the entire world overnight than cede even a iota of power ; and they know full well how powerful "we're the ONLY solution" is.

Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 8, 2021

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Captain Oblivious posted:

Thatís kind of the point of Evrart as a character. He is the Lenin or Mao of Disco Elysium. He is fighting international capital but he is also so compromised that he will personally guarantee the revolution fails in the end. He is a dead end.
Seems a lot more like Huey Long to me, but even with all his slime America would have been a better place had Long dethroned Roosevelt.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I don't Want to be this kind of animal anymore.



Sokani posted:

He also reveals that the harbor will largely be dedicated to the drug trade, legal and otherwise. He's going to improve Martinaise by exporting misery elsewhere.

That is a rather unfair characterization.

It is true that the union will be dealing drugs, but that's because contraband is the only thing that the capitalists dedicated to destroying the union don't have power over. It's basically their only source of income outside of the capitalist structure.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011




Terrible Opinions posted:

Seems a lot more like Huey Long to me, but even with all his slime America would have been a better place had Long dethroned Roosevelt.

You know, I'm not sure if it was intentional because Evrart is kind of an archetype in many ways, but the Huey Long comparison is actually pretty good right down to the slogans, "every worker a member of the board!" and "every man a king"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VfjON1iX6g

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BurningBeard
May 10, 2013


So what's the likelihood of getting a refund through sony despite their garbage policy? This is kind of a joke at this point.

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