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So which of Stabler's kids gets killed in the SVU episode this week? The logline for Organized Crime says that Stabler arrives at the Organized Crime Bureau following "a devastating personal loss." My money's on Kathleen, who, last we saw the Stablers, has inherited her grandmother's bipolar disorder, has at least one DUI, dabbles in street drugs and has done God knows what else. I feel like we could Mad Libs this poo poo for the full SVU madness. Let's see ... Kathleen Stabler gets caught up in A DRUG TRAFFICKING RING run by HUNGARIAN NATIONALISTS who are SECRETLY BEING MANIPULATED BY NYPD POLICE CHIEF PETER GALLAGHER. She is murdered, the cause of death being A RARE FORM OF EBOLA CONTRACTED FROM THE BASKETBALL MONKEY. At THE FUNERAL, Elliot picks a fight with JOHN MUNCH but the fight is broken up by BENSON who decides to START MAKING OUT WITH ELLIOT ON KATHLEEN'S CASKET. Ratings gold, Jerry. Give me a typewriter and an office.
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YeahTubaMike posted:Holy poo poo, really? When???? It won't be his wife. Isabel Gillies has been seen on location with Meloni as of a week or two ago, this lines up with the second episode of SVU that Stabler is going to be in later this season.
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Apr 1, 2021 01:22
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muscles like this! posted:In your line up of L&O shows you forgot Conviction which didn't have the Law & Order name but was a spin off of SVU starring Stephanie March's Alexandra Cabot. It only ran for 1 season of 13 episodes in 2009 and was focused on younger ADAs. Hilariously, Conviction wasn't even developed as a Law & Order show. It wasn't testing well at all, so NBC ordered Dick Wolf to come up with a tie-in. Stephanie March was available, so she shot some scenes for the pilot like two weeks before it aired (which is why she barely interacts with the main cast in the first episode). This was before Alex Cabot returned from witness protection in SVU, and they didn't even bother to lampshade her being back in New York.
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Apr 1, 2021 03:45
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YeahTubaMike posted:I've seen one episode of Blue Bloods and while I don't remember the premise, I do remember it being blatantly weirdly right-wing. Like, the main character has the last name Reagan, for gently caress's sake. It focuses upon an entire family named Reagan.  The grandfather, played by Len Cariou, is a retired commissioner. Tom Selleck, that guy's son, is the current commissioner. And all of his kids are cops, too.
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Apr 1, 2021 14:01
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I'm curious to see if Organized Crime has a traditional L&O opening, complete with a Mike Post theme, or if it's going to be a title card with a brief sting, like the #OneChicago shows and Law & Order Los Angeles.
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Apr 2, 2021 02:02
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New theme sounds like a half-assed version of the remix they used for the non-Goren episodes of Criminal Intent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGw2tPecgv8
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Apr 2, 2021 03:07
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fartknocker posted:Has this had a Nope.
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Apr 2, 2021 03:40
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Jose Oquendo posted:Oh yeah that reminds me. WHy the gently caress is Homicide not streaming anywhere. What the gently caress. If you’re gonna launch your own service to stream all your own poo poo, then loving stream all your poo poo. As far as I can tell, it’s owned by NBC/Universal all the way. As I understand it, the music rights are a bitch, and NBC isn't particularly keen on relicensing music for a show that approximately seventeen people watched at its peak.
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Apr 3, 2021 19:11
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Frankly this new series isn't really Law and Order to me, it has none of the structure or DOINK DOINK that should come with the branded property. it's just a prestige crime drama using the cast from another L&O property. Audiences seem to be agreeing with you. While the premiere did fabulous ratings and hung onto almost the entire lead-in from SVU, the next two new episodes finished close to dead last in their time slot.
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Apr 21, 2021 18:29
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fartknocker posted:I know SVU has been on for 22 years, but isn't this like the 35th time Benson has walked into a hostage situation? I think they have an annual quota to meet. The one that always sticks in my mind is when she's held hostage by some home invaders who want revenge on a grocery store owner for firing one of them. Bizarre poo poo.
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Apr 23, 2021 02:23
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fartknocker posted:Rofl the literal “and everybody cheered” ending It was seriously like the final shot of The Fugitive. Holy ell oh ell. And here's your reminder that SVU has been renewed for seasons 22 and 23, so the show isn't going anywhere until 2023 at the soonest (same with all three Chicago shows). Oof.
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Apr 23, 2021 03:23
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MJeff posted:Hey, Carisi! Shadow, in Vanilla season 8, has McCoy setting up a sham prosecution in order to trap an ADA who was on the take. I don't know if SVU has done that specific plot, per se, but I do recall they have done storylines about the prosecution colluding with defense attorneys for a particular outcome, I'm just having trouble remembering specific episodes.
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Apr 23, 2021 03:39
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Someone spoiler whatever this drama with Mrs Stabler is cause I sure as hell couldn't make it through the second episode. At the end of this week's episode, Stabler learns that he wasn't the target of the car bomb, his wife was.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:18
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I feel you on a lot of points, YTM, but for me this show (OC) is hanging on by a thread; I honestly think the only reason I watch it is because it's on after SVU and I don't have to change the channel. I think part of the reason it isn't clicking for me is that Stabler Family Drama was the absolute worst part of the first twelve seasons of SVU, so having an eight-episode series with Stabler Family Drama as its core or throughline just automatically makes me yawn. The supporting cast also really isn't doing much for me, either. But ultimately, this just doesn't feel like a Law & Order to me. No doink-doink with setting cards, very whack-rear end and overly emotional music, and a strange cipher of a villain. I mean, it's only eight episodes, so I'll finish the run out of laziness if nothing else, but if it gets another season, I would really hope it sees a retooling as extreme--or more--as what Los Angeles got. And, man, I can't get over how much the theme is just a slightly microwaved remix of the alternate Criminal Intent intro used for the non-Goren episodes. CI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGw2tPecgv8 OC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W3dnmJlvYY
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Apr 25, 2021 00:02
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MJeff posted:Just had TURN ON THE SUN on Ion. Gotta love that peak season 7 - 10 insanity. As I recall, 7 opened with Let's Go Do Rape in the Rape Van Because Now Is The Time On Sprockets When We Rape, and had the Lynda Carter / Estella Warren crossover episode, as well as the introduction of Ludacris and the Norman Reedus "lol pills are bad" episode, and I think that year has the episode with neo-Nazis and Munch getting shot in the rear end. 8 gave us Benson going undercover with ecoterrorists, Connie Nielsen as Stabler's partner, Munch's crazy uncle, tons of Stabler Family Bullshit and Benson Brother Bullshit. 9 had Adam Beach and Diane Neal leaving in the same episode like two weeks after Jesse Martin left Vanilla in a very similar episode, Robin Williams as Villain Superman, Jared Harris as Not Hannibal Lecter (No, Seriously, He Really Isn't Hannibal), a whack-rear end episode about a coffee family sleeping with the same woman, and, of course, TURN ON THE SUN. And season 10, that has Cragen hugging a monkey, Carol Burnett sleeping with her developmentally delayed nephew, Hillary Duff: Anti-Vaxxer, and who can forget Dale Stuckey, CSU tech legend? God, that show got so batshit insane under Neal Baer.
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Apr 25, 2021 05:24
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HOLY gently caress posted:also for ADAs: i forgot Peter Stone who was on for like one season until Carisi took over. that was fairly recently too! i can barely remember anything about him Peter Stone was an odd duck. I have a lot of respect for the actor--Philip Winchester uprooted his entire family from Oregon to Chicago because he was so strongly committed to Chicago Justice and felt it would have a long run ... and then it got canceled after thirteen episodes. He then moved to New York to do SVU, but eventually quit after two seasons because he's a committed family man, and they had moved back to Oregon (hated the midwest winter). But the character of Stone himself was just ... man, talk about a cipher, he was essentially whatever was needed for the given episode. Edit: And, yeah, Organized Crime is only eight episodes, so they're bringing it back in mid-May to align with sweeps. Timby fucked around with this message at 23:52 on May 2, 2021 |
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May 2, 2021 23:47
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 quote:Law & Order fans are used to seeing how the District Attorney’s office goes about taking down criminals. Now, for a change, they’re going to get a seat at the defense table.
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May 3, 2021 19:58
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HOLY gently caress posted:edit: Whoa, Cragen?! I knew he had been on the franchise for a long time but I didn't know it was that long Yep. Dann Florek was in the first three seasons of Vanilla before he was let go due to NBC mandate (the show was dipping badly in the ratings, so NBC ordered Dick Wolf to put some women in the cast; previously it was an entirely male starring ensemble), but he did a few more guest appearances on Vanilla and also had a supporting role in the Exiled TV movie that starred Chris Noth. Wolf had always respected that Florek was a loyal soldier, came back a few times when offered and didn't do any public complaining when he got sacked from Vanilla, so when he was looking for a squad commander for SVU, Florek was the first person he called and a deal was struck relatively quickly.
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May 7, 2021 20:48
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fartknocker posted:He also guested in a few other episodes as well during that time, with them saying Cragen was in some task force. ... I said that in my post.
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May 7, 2021 22:42
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Hand Knit posted:Just watched the last episode of Law and Order classic. Two thoughts: One is that the bit at the end with the alarm ringing and no other noise is pretty good. The other is that the big break in the case comes from Lindsay Vonn. Rubber Room is absolutely a phenomenal episode, and given the procedural and episodic nature of the show, it works out incredibly well as a series finale, even though it was absolutely in no way intended as such. Just another happy accident, which happened to Law & Order quite a bit throughout its 20-year run.
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May 7, 2021 23:10
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fartknocker posted:Pablo Schreiber is in a few other episodes as well. Denis O'Hare, Bruce MacVittie, Bruce Altman and Michael O'Keefe have to be up there, too. Also, I had forgotten how convoluted that Greg Yates storyline gets, especially when the medical examiner in SVU gets roped in as his accomplice. There were so many crossovers with Chicago PD for that storyline that it made my goddamn head spin.
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May 9, 2021 22:10
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Hand Knit posted:I feel like episodes like this underline the failure of Organized Crime. Like, the shows have clearly managed to pull off that sort of artsy/serious-within-the-standards-and-aesthetic of Law and Order. Organized Crime is hampered because Dick Wolf & Co. clearly want to have a prestige drama, a la True Detective, but Stabler isn't the character to carry it. And the ratings show it. The infrequent airing schedule and the awful writing have combined to make it, I believe, the least-watched show on Thursday nights.
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May 11, 2021 22:56
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Hand Knit posted:But, like, aesthetically Solitary is closer to prestige drama. Organized Crime is more like, I dunno, visually NCIS but without the action. That's what makes this stick out: it suggests that the people running the show are perfectly capable of doing the things they're failing to do. If they wanted to do an eight-episode prestige miniseries they should have put a dump truck full of cash on Benjamin Bratt's lawn and had him come back. poo poo, the series already established that Rey Curtis had experience at OCCB.
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May 11, 2021 23:54
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fartknocker posted:And continuing our trend of people who’ve been in a dozen episodes across multiple shows it’s… that guy! Bruce MacVittie.
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May 14, 2021 02:20
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Hand Knit posted:Simon was House's private investigator? Yeah, Michael Weston. He was on SVU as Simon first, though, and it actually got him the House role. fartknocker posted:Yes. Also what looks like a small figure of her on the desk. I have no idea how long they’ve been there, though. At least for a couple of years, I've seen those on season 18 reruns on ION Television.
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May 14, 2021 02:50
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fartknocker posted:Meanwhile, this has, uh… taken a turn… Kathy's been dead for, what two or three weeks (OC has been unclear about the passage of time, but in the SVU episode the intervention Benson and Stabler's kids had with him was said to only have been a few days ago)? Dude goes on the rebound fast.
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May 14, 2021 03:09
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Well, that just took a fuckin' turn.
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May 14, 2021 03:57
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Hand Knit posted:Alright, let's get stupid. SVU looks like it's going to return to season 7 levels of peak stupid, based on the teaser for next week.
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May 14, 2021 04:01
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Organized Crime has been renewed for a second season, which will run for 24 episodes as opposed to this season's eight. Edit: Also, Thursdays will now be Law & Order night beginning this fall. For the Defense will air at 8 Eastern, SVU at 9 and Organized Crime at 10. Timby fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 20:00
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metachronos posted:I’m watching through all of SVU and bringing back Nicky Sobotka’s uber-rapist character who somehow became an expert lawyer seems a bit much even for this show. Maybe this will be another episode where someone walks and then they get shot on the steps of the courthouse since that seems to happen twice a season. The William Lewis saga got almost into Joker / The Dark Knight territory in terms of how convoluted and twisty it got. There was some pure-strained Jake Roberts "You think we're playing checkers, I'm playing chess" energy to Lewis.
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May 24, 2021 18:24
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HOLY gently caress posted:Oh god, the whole Lewis thing was a lot. Not surprised he tried defending himself in court, as I remember he started out doing well and then just got eviscerated And then there was the juror who fell in love with serial killers, so she was mailing cakes filled with hidden razors and drugs to Lewis, Dr. Rudnick and Greg Yates.
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May 24, 2021 19:21
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fartknocker posted:Probably, or depending on if they got renewed for next season or not to give them some options. With 24(?) episodes to fill next season Yeah, it's a full 24-episode order as opposed to the eight-episode limited run they had this season (it was planned to be longer, but there was first a shakeup in showrunners--Matt Olmstead dropped out, presumably because he was stretched too thin as he's a major producer on all the #OneChicago shows--and then they had at least one positive COVID outbreak on set, which shut down production for a while).
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Jun 4, 2021 04:40
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YeahTubaMike posted:OC thoughts: I think one of the biggest issues with Organized Crime is that it was never allowed to develop its own identity. Benson was in literally seven of the eight episodes this season. As long as it's living in the shadow of SVU, it's never going to fly.
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Jun 4, 2021 18:23
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PaybackJack posted:You may want to check out The Shield if you like hand camera, aka shaky cam, stuff. It's also a great show. Homicide: Life on the Street was also shot entirely with handheld cameras.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I dunno the end of the Stabler run and Danny Pino years are pretty trying. Yep. The descent into madness began with the Rape Van episode, which premiered the seventh season, I believe. By season 10, the show was like a porn parody of itself, and then there was the idiotic season 12 finale with the shootout in the squadroom. Neal Baer finally resigned as the executive producer after the end of 12, with Warren Leight taking over, and with the major cast shakeup, the series had a pretty decent breath of fresh air. Until we got Rollins' batshit family and Amaro having the longest goddamn divorce ever and becoming Stabler 2.0.
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Jun 13, 2021 18:28
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HOLY gently caress posted:Yeah, Amaro's problems went on for way too long and it was kind of a relief when he finally left. Father Dearest, season 13.
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YeahTubaMike posted:I have never seen Phantom of the Opera, I have only seen one parody of it (the "Phantom of the Telethon" episode of American Dad), and I had no loving clue that prison was even involved in any way. It isn't. Hence the joke. YeahTubaMike posted:I love Rollins's batshit family The episode that finally got me to say "I'm loving done with Rollins' Rowdy Relatives" was the insanely convoluted one in which Kim shoots the on-again, off-again guy she's been seeing, and then it turns out that Kim had taken out a life insurance policy on him and listed Amanda as the beneficiary, causing Tucker at IAB to once again try to nail an SVU detective to the wall. I know it's only a 42-minute episode, but it felt three hours long. There was also the one where Kim seduced, drugged and robbed a star violinist.
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Jun 14, 2021 00:01
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YeahTubaMike posted:I thought the joke was that he went to prison for something other than stealing bread. Whoops. The gag is that the woman screwed up. At the beginning of Les Miserables, Jean Valjean is finally released after spending 19 years in prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. There's no such thing in Phantom, unless you count the Phantom being an outcast and living in the sewers beneath the opera house as a metaphorical prison.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:So, I haven't watched a huge amount of Law & Order, but... am I off-base here, or does Jack McCoy strike anyone else as kind of bloodthirsty? I watched a couple of eighth season L&O episodes recently and McCoy just seems wildly aggressive in wanting to put anyone behind bars. Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"? Season 8 McCoy is also reeling from the death of Claire Kincaid, a former ADA he was sleeping with.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm watching the episode True North, and McCoy and Carmichael are obsessed with getting to put someone to death, it feels like McCoy almost thinks it isn't even worth putting the defendant on trial if he can't go for the death penalty With the exception of Carmichael and Serena Southerlyn, Law & Order characters' positions on the death penalty are wildly inconsistent, largely depending upon the writer. McCoy gets a wicked zeal for someone getting the needle whenever possible, despite him witnessing an execution and being horrified by it in Aftershock (season 6 finale).
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