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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

I appreciate the The Third Man reference. I don't know if it was any good, and I don't know if the show overall is any good, but I appreciate the reference.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Jack McCoy once reference The Third Man in a cross-examination like 15 years ago!

The subject of that episode?

Fake vaccinations.

It would be a shame to not learn from the best.

Anyway, the first episode had a whole "old vs new" thing going on (heh to Stabler being recruited in a museum) and I'm entirely ready for that to interact with the themes about racial politics to create some stuff that's completely off the walls. We already have the "profiling" conversation and Dylan McDermott killing his dad (Manfreddi Sinatra is an amazing name) for being racist towards his ex-wife. You can already see in the distance an arc of Stabler learning to be modern, but not too modern that he doesn't still have his cop instincts to see through the wokeness of the new rich. In the climax he finally gets his confidence back to take a shot and kill the bad guy.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Well that escalated quickly.

And also concluded quickly.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

I think I appreciate the stealing vaccines story. Kind of shamelessly topical.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

hell of a way to write "Stabler dating again" in to the show.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

fartknocker posted:

That whole scene was lol wtf

I guess it's all to set up this contrast in grieving between Stabler and McDermott, and their different approaches to intimacy. But, like, all of what that scene actually was. And ending on the hug. lmao

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

drat Stabler got his rear end whupped.

Do we recognize eye scar guy yet?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Was the guy in the mask supposed to be Dylan McDermott's driver?

I can't remember whether we were shown the driver having an eye scar.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..


Maybe she is watching the show that has the best instance of the Stabler character: Happy!

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Kid's probably named Forrest after the KKK founder.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

This episode has a great ebb and flow, with Benson giving a stirring speech about implicit bias training for cops, followed by the big break coming from an undercover cop "getting handsy" with a target, and then Benson and Carisi talking tough about the power of the police state.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

That concluded quickly and anti-climactically.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Cripes, I totally forgot about this.

I miss anything with SVU?

You missed Benson giving a speech about how the good cops want implicit bias training while the music swelled. I'll let you decide whether that's a yes or a no.

e: I hope Stabler looks like this throughout the rest of the series.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

fartknocker posted:

Like, I think the implication is that guy talked and presumably Benson called the EMTs and he lived, but they went from Benson cancelling the ambulance to commercial and then her and Fin off pursuing the other guy without any mention of shot white guy again so I dunno maybe they just stood there and watched him die who knows itís SVU anything is possible

If you combine it with the contrast between Benson talking about departmental changes and Benson threatening the wife with "you're in the police state now" you've got this thing going on with Benson either getting rid of or losing the rules when poo poo gets real, and possibly losing control.

But, you know, lol

e: this driving montage whips rear end

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

the future is... off-line

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Your face, that is.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Well, that was that

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

I really like the original Law and Order format, but I don't know if the show could be brought back, just on a cultural level. By that I mean partially that in terms of political culture you can't just bring back a 'good cops' show so easily. But, further to that, the original Law and Order show emerged in a cultural context where there was this idea of out of control New York City crime. It was something that was instantly recognizable and compelling in and of itself. And... I think that's kinda gone.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Blue Bloods is successful and that show is so much worse about that than L&O ever was./

I only know that from the advertisements but from a distance it seems like a drama about a cop family more than a detective show.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

This episode seems very topical so far.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MorrisBae posted:

I was just going to say, lol

Benson is gonna use the power of empathy to defeat all the bad vibes of the coronavirus.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

'maybe the afterlife is like facetime' is this week's SVU moment of insight

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

There's like 5 minutes of this left.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

fartknocker posted:

Rofl the literal ďand everybody cheeredĒ ending

There's so much empathy. Empathy is so powerful.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Is there a significance to the shoes?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

fartknocker posted:

His son has the same pair, they showed them in the recap at the beginning of the episode.

I thought so but couldn't remember.

Also, I figure there's no way Gina survives this episode.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Noooo, she's toast.

This guy's hosed too.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

More Benson empathy.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

He finally said it. But then unsaid it, sort of.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

With how much time all the capital-D Drama takes up, I'm not actually sure that this six episode miniseries is going to have more than a regular episode's worth of story.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Also, both Gina and foreign guy made it to the end of the episode!

I am surprised

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Mooseontheloose posted:

I've been reluctant to watch the Organized Crime spin off because

A) SVU is just not good anymore. I truly gave up after their weird Joker-eque Liv bad guy arc.
B) Police climate in the US right now and what Stabler kinda represents to that.

Is it any good?

Also, someone on page 1 mentioned blue bloods. What I always appreciated about Law and Order is that they aren't afraid to show that cops are also super lovely and corrupt. Blue Bloods is basically nazi propaganda.

It's not particularly good but it's a trip. Of the first four episodes so far, I'd almost say it's worth watching the first episode and then just dropping it.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Oh, is there no OC this week?

On my schedule it's an SVU rerun and no OC.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

HOLY gently caress posted:

I liked Cassidy too, his undercover stuff and trying to come back from loving up and getting demoted made him interesting although i think his relationship with Benson felt a little weird. Definitely wasn't dull, though. I think you're right about Dobbs being there for one season, seemed like a competent but boring dude.

also for ADAs: i forgot Peter Stone who was on for like one season until Carisi took over. that was fairly recently too! i can barely remember anything about him

Peter Stone's characterization of "extremely ripped former MLB player." In one of the earlier episodes of his run, it opens with him being melancholy during a threesome.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..


That's one way to try and adapt to changing cultural mores about the cops.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Solution to the problematic nature of Elliott Stabler: have him work as a PI for defence lawyers where he beats up corrupt cops to get the real story.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

I am mildly impressed they managed to make this episode of Law and Order (S20E20, "The Taxman Cometh") about the Bush tax cuts. That's a level of contrivance that's worth appreciating.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

fartknocker posted:

Admittedly, that was the end of one season/start of the next, so it was less obvious at the time than it is in syndication.

Letís not forget Jerry Orbach as a defense attorney in season 2, S. Epatha Merkerson as a cleaning woman early on season 1, and Annie Parisse as a stripper. Ice-T was in Exiled as a pimp or something. Iím pretty Raul Esparza was accused of killing a woman during rough sex (Which they showed a hilarious video of!) in a late season episode of vanilla L&O as well, along with some others Iím probably forgetting.

Raul Esparza was a Perez Hilton type who killed someone as part of a plot blackmailing Samantha Bee.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

HOLY gently caress posted:

Also where are people watching original L&O at the moment in the US? I looked at Netflix and Hulu and over-the-air tv just seems to have constant NCIS on at all times but no L&O

It's on YES TV, weekdays at 5. Season 20 ends this Friday. Looks like they start season 13 next Monday.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Just watched the last episode of Law and Order classic. Two thoughts: One is that the bit at the end with the alarm ringing and no other noise is pretty good. The other is that the big break in the case comes from Lindsay Vonn.

Congratulations to Lindsay Vonn, who broke the final case in Law and Order classic.

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