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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


What's the fattest fight in heavyweight history? If we clear that up we can reply to every claim that JBJ vs Francis with that.

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I've typed up and deleted a version of this post like 3x because this is a really tough-to-analyse topic and I can't figure out how to say what I'm saying without it seeming like a hot take but :justpost:

It's hard to compare relative punching power between boxing and MMA because of the way blows land and because the context of the punches (gloves, range, guards, rules) is so much different in boxing than in MMA it's hard to watch the sports side by side.

If you watch really very hard punchers in boxing, the guys getting hit just react differently from the people being hit by the really very hard punchers in MMA. If you watch George Foreman or Joe Louis or other historically famous hard hitters' highlights there are the "god he's dead" finishes, but the power shows itself more in how guys react when the power puncher hits their guards. Foreman could clobber a guy right in the arms/gloves and he'd start to whither as if a normal heavyweight hit him clean. I can think of exactly one time that an elite heavyweight boxer traded punches with something losely resembling a top-tier MMA fighter: Ray Mercer took Tim Sylvia out with one punch. We don't have any other meaningful data points.

My suspicion is that Francis hits roughly as hard as a good all-around heavyweight puncher, but not as hard as the boxers who have a reputation for unusual power, just due to the nature of the sports and the necessities of training.

But I wouldn't be surprised if fighters like Derek Lewis, Frank Mir, Mark Hunt, or Fedor all hit within an order of magnitude of power as Francis when they plant and unload - they've all achieved the same kind of "god he's dead" KOs multiple times in their careers, even against fighters who have some reputation for durability. Francis isn't KOing guys through the guard (which we've seen in MMA with kicks, e.g. Machida vs Munoz) - pretty much all of his KOs (lets leave Cain out of this) involve him catching someone clean, so the thing is that Francis is somehow better at landing those punches.

That's my piece anyway. It's a half-formed thought and I may have failed to consider something.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


post the kennedy meme you know the one

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Southpaugh posted:

lol that the fight romero poo poo himself and carried on?

You're thinking the Brunson fight, iirc. Kennedy involved an actual scandal with the stool between rounds - Romero got pieced up a bit in the last 20 seconds or so of round 2 (with Kennedy cheating by holding the gloves) and Romero's corner "forgot" to remove the stool after the second break, and "didn't understand at first" when the ref told them to remove it, thus buying Romero more time to recover.

loving awesome.

huh from wikipedia - this is new information:

quote:

Romero faced Tim Kennedy on September 27, 2014, at UFC 178.[29] He won the fight via TKO in the third round, giving Kennedy his first stoppage loss in thirteen years. This fight generated much controversy: Romero was hurt badly at the end of round 2, and received extra time to recover between rounds. UFC color commentator Joe Rogan mistakenly blamed this on Romero's cornermen for failing to leave the Octagon on time, when the blame was actually on a UFC Cutman who applied too much Vaseline to a cut[citation needed]and referee John McCarthy for allowing Romero to stay sitting while trying to get the cutman to return to the octagon to wipe the excess off. Later it was also noticed that Kennedy was illegally holding Romero's glove while striking him at end of round 2.[30] The win earned Romero his second Fight of the Night bonus award.[31]

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Who is the woman in these pics? I don't recognize her.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


LobsterMobster posted:

kay hansen

e: i only know because a different account that posted those pics tagged her and aljo and ortega

Ohhh yeah ok. I recognize the tattoo now. I don't think I've ever seen her with her hair and makeup done I guess. Thanks!

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Claude Patrick was a good fighter who got tased and disappeared

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Disclaimer for gamblers – I am not a gambler. I talk about odds, but I use them as a talking point. When I highlight an underdog I’m not endorsing any kind of bet. Rather, I’m asserting that a fight looks more competitive to me than the betting line suggests. You’re responsible for your own decisions.

BREAKDOWN for UFC on ABC: Vettori vs Holland

:siren: :siren:

Digital Jedi posted:

Should be noted that since the card is on ABC it is an early start time

Early Prelims 11:00 CST/12:00 EST
Prelims: 11:30 CST/12:30 EST
Main Card: 2:00 CST/3:00 EST



Hey here’s the card



Hey and we’re back with a fight card after an Easter break. Lots of fights on this one!

Main Card (ABC/ESPN+)
Main Event
Middleweight Marvin Vettori (-285) vs Kevin Holland (+294)
Holland fought Derek Brunson three weeks ago (in fact he ties the record for shortest amount of time between UFC main events) so I’m going to just quote my last one: Holland was one of 2020’s fighters of the year, going a record-tying 5-0 from May-December. The low point of that run was a split decision win over Darren Stewart (razor thin), but the high point was a crazy KO of Jacare that saw Holland scoring while on his back (“I had a dream about this”). His other wins were against mediocre competition not worth mentioning.

Brunson totally outclassed Holland, who was spending more time in the cage clowning around than actually fighting and scoring points. But he’s cleared to fight and jumping in as a late replacement for injured Darren Till, willing to face another top contender.

Marvin Vettori definitely made his way to the top tier of the Middleweight division by fighting through the B-side of the bracket. He’s an Italian kickboxer with some good skills. We last saw him in December scoring a one-sided UD against the uber-tough grappler Jack Hermansson. Noteworthy is that Vettori took current champion Israel Adesanya to a split decision a few fights back, and both* of them have been perfect since then (*at middleweight.) He has a four-fight streak going.

I’d say that on paper Vettori is the better fighter, but if he lets Holland get the mind games going, this fight might become closer than it ought to be.

:frogsiren:Featherweight Arnold Allen (+128) vs Sodiq Yussuf (-137)
Now this is the real main event. Allen is probably the best active fighter out of Britain right now. He’s a skinny skillful English kickboxer who has some grappling chops too, 7-0 in the UFC with wins over Nik Lentz, Giblert, and Amirkhani. He’s not active as he could be because nobody wants to loving fight him. If you check out his social media, he’s always begging for fights but can’t get them. So why is he the underdog? Well his opponent is good too. Sodiq Yussuf is a Contender Series product who is 4-0 in the UFC. Last time out Yussuf took a UD from Andre Fili, with a KO of hard-headed Gabe Benitez before that. He has looked explosive and accurate in his fights so far.

:negative:Middleweight Sam Alvey (+169) vs Julian Marquez (-186)
I’m just going to do a copy-and-paste job for Alvey I still remember a little bit when Alvey was worth tuning in for. At one point he was an absolute finishing machine, including a 3 fight streak of first-round KOs. Anyway now he’s on a 4 fight skid with lots of lovely awful to watch fights and split decisions. He seems to have power late in his career, but he doesn’t pull the trigger anymore on his offense That fight was a fuckign draw against Da Un Jung, though to his credit Alvey showed his power a few times in that fight and pulled the trigger. But that means he hasn’t won since a split decision over Gian Villante in 2018. Oh poo poo this is middleweight, which is where Alvey has scored most of his KOs! That’s a data point. In February, Julian “The Cuban Missile Crisis” Marquez took a really sweet anaconda choke win over Maki Pitolo. His other UFC fights are a split decision loss to Di Chirico and a guillotine of Darren Stewart, plus a DWCS KO of surging Phil Hawes. He’s a big lunking dumb caveman who wings haymakers and cranks at people’s necks. Might be a good opponent to draw a good fight out of Alvey.

:byodame:Strawweight Nina Ansaroff (-130) vs Mackenzie Dern (+133)
Mom fight! Mom fight! Mom fight! Nina Ansaroff returns from pregnancy to face BJJ ace Mackenzie Dern. Dern is a jiu jitsu specialist who has developed a bit of a competent striking game. The last time out she had a really competitive decision win against the underrated Virna Jandiroba, bringing her streak to 3 on a 5-1 UFC record. Ansaroff is basically a well-rounded journeywoman. She’s 4-3 in the UFC, with only one finish, but she has wins over Angela Hill and Claudia Gadelha, and her last loss was to Tatiana Suarez. This fight has a gigantic skill gap in jiu jitsu, but also a pretty big striking skill gap in the other direction.

Welterweight Mike Perry (+140) vs Daniel Rodriguez (-152)
How does Perry still have a job? Oh right he’s a big lunk who gets in stupid brawls when he’s not shouting racial slurs and beating up randos in bars. There’s not too much to know about him. His last fight was a decision loss to Tim Means (where he missed weight) and a decision win over Mickey Gall before that. Rodriguez is a Contender Series product who is 13-1 overall. In his UFC debut he submitted Tim Means and then in August he KOed Dwight Grant. In his last fight he lost a decision to Nicolas Dalby. He’s a hard puncher, and Platinum is there to be hit.


Prelims (ESPN+)
Tons of prelims so I’ll be brief on these
Lightweight Jim Miller (+210) vs Joe Solecki (-277)
If you don’t know Jim Miller loving look him up yourself, and introduce yourself to the thread as a new person. We actually like new people. He lost a competitive decision to Vinc Pichel in August. Joe Soleki is a DWCS alum who has a decision over Matt Wiman and a submission of Austin Hubbard.

Lightweight Scott Holtzman (+206) vs Mateus Gamrot (-215)
Holtzman is an action fighter who is tougher than his reputation. His last time out he was finished for the first time in his career when Beneil Dariush caught him with a backfist. Gamrut is a KSW product from Poland who lost his debut by split decision to Guram Kutateladze. His record suggests he’s a grappler, and he has some b-league wins over named opponents.

Bantamweight Erin Blanchfield (+221) vs Norma Dumont Viana (-249)
Blanchfield is an Invicta product making her debut in the UFC, bringing a 5-1 record. She has a win over Kay Hansen, who is now 1-1 in the UFC. I’ve definitely seen her fight but I can’t remember any details, but she has some stoppages. Dumont made her UFC debut as a 4-0 fighter getting thrown to Megan Anderson and getting KOed. She took a decision from veteran Ashlee Evans-Smith after that.

Lightweight John Makdessi (+170) vs Ignacio Bahamondes (-186)
Makdessi is a goofy looking Canadian veteran with a karate base and some KOs via spinnin’ poo poo. He lost a decision to Trinaldo in March 2020, snapping a 3-fight winning streak. Bahamondes is a Chilean young prospect with a 10-3 record. He won by front kick on DWCS in November.

Heavyweight Yorgan de Castro (-275) vs Jaris Danho (+263)
De Castro is a loving trashweight as gently caress. He lost to Greg Hardy and then had a really embarrassing loss to someone else. His last two fights loving sucked. Danho 5-1-1 fighting under the Assyrian flag. Interestingly he has fought twice in the UFC, in 2016: a majority draw and an extremely rare technical majority decision (3rd round groin strike). He was booked to fight Greg Hardy once, so this fight is probably going to be poo poo, but perhaps something weird will happen.

Bantamweight Hunter Azure (+150) vs Jack Shore (-150)
Hunter Azure is a northern plains fighter from Montana. He’s a wrestler with a win over Brad Katona, but a big KO loss to Brian Kelleher. Last time out he won a decision over Cole Smith. Shore is an undefeated Welsh fighter and former Cage Warriors champion. He’s 2-0 in the UFC and I remember him looking impressive. He has 3 consecutive wins by RNC.

Featherweight Luis Saldana (-128) vs Jordan Griffin (+124)
Griffin is a DWCS product who has lost his sparkle, now at 18-8 and uh, 1-3 in the UFC. He’s a big long rangy guy with long arm chokes. Saldana is a DWCS product making his debut. He’s 14-6 overall.

Light Heavyweight Da Un Jung (-137) vs William Knight (+123)
Jung is a Korean who went to a draw with Sam Alvey, bringing him to 2-0-1 UFC. He didn’t look like a terrible fighter in that fight, but he still drew with Sam Alvey. He likes to throw big punches. William Knight for UFC 260 I wrote In September I wrote Knight is an 8-1 contender series prospect making his big show debut, and all of his fights have ended in stoppage. He won that fight by UD and I don’t remember it. Thinking about it, Knight’s last fight might have been one where he looked really good and terrifying for a round then stopped attacking.

:hmmyes: Welterweight Ima Kasanganay (-274) vs Sasha Palatnikov (+246)
Kasaganay is the guy who got highlight kicked but Joaquin Buckley. He was undefeated til then, coming from DWCS. Palatnikov is the at guy who fights under the Hong Kong flag who was brought in as a last-minute uber underdog replacement to fight a major DWCS product and then survived an early rush to beat the guy and take his 0 in a killer-rear end FOTN performance. He’s a good striker and extremely durable. This is a good curtain jerker, if just for Palatnikov, who I’m interested in seeing fight again. I’m surprised by the odds: the guy Palatnikov beat last time out struck me as a better fighter than Kasanganay.

There it is. The snack rating is a McDouble – it’s what’s available and the price is right.

CommonShore fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 8, 2021

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Digital Jedi posted:

Should be noted that since the card is on ABC it is an early start time

Early Prelims 11:00 CST/12:00 EST
Prelims: 11:30 CST/12:30 EST
Main Card: 2:00 CST/3:00 EST

thanks! I missed that.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Is it worth watching?

Btw Mike Perry isn't even Florida man: he's Floreda man.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


reeg posted:

Is Vettori MMA's biggest legitimate, non-gimmick rear end in a top hat since Michael Bisping? An energy the sport has missed in the era of pro wrestling promos

What did he do? I skipped the interview.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


LobsterMobster posted:

anyway uh, shout outs to the ATL crew, had some good memories at this one with yall

https://twitter.com/SweetPmemories/status/1381879548833374208

That's a darn good fight, but it's not the best Dustin fight (#2 probably). It's also probably the best fight among all Max fights, but it's not Max's best fight (probably #3?)

Maybe the second-best rematch of all time though.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Southpaugh posted:

Best rematch is poirier mcgregor? It sure was satisfying.

Best rematch is Lawler-MacDonald 2 because it's the greatest fight ever.

The best Poirier fight is vs TKZ.

Max had more entertaining fights against Ortega and Kattar, but those were so one-sided that they were not "good fights."

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Southpaugh posted:

Well yeah, I keep forgetting THAT fight has a 2 in its title.

same

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


We have fights this weekend


Also Lightweight Austin Hubbard (-172) vs Dakota Bush (+160)


Disclaimer for gamblers – I am not a gambler. I talk about odds, but I use them as a talking point. When I highlight an underdog I’m not endorsing any kind of bet. Rather, I’m asserting that a fight looks more competitive to me than the betting line suggests. You’re responsible for your own decisions.


UFC on ESPN Whittaker vs Gastelum Breakdown

:siren:Main Event Middleweight Robert Whittaker (-250) vs Kelvin Gastleum (+266)
Cool fight. Former champ Robert Whittaker continues his campaign back to the title. In 2020 he took one-sided decisions over Darren Till (5 rounds) and Jared Cannonier (3 rounds). Whittaker. His only loss going back to February 2014 is to Israel Adesanya, in fact, an October 2019 KO. He’s a great high-action kickboxer and counter-wrestler. His fights with Yoel Romero are some of the coolest fights you’ll ever see. Gastelum is also a former welterweight and TUF winner, but his recent record hasn’t been as good. Gastelum actually comes in as a replacement for Paulo Costa. He took a fairly easy decision over Ian Heinish in February, but before that he lost to Jack Hermansson (heel hook), Darren Till (SD) and Izzy (UD). Gastelum is a crisp boxer with good wrestling and a great RNC that we haven’t seen in a long time.

Whittaker should be able to win this comfortably if it’s the same version of him that we saw run through Cannonier.

Lightweight Jeremy Stephens (-123) vs Drakkar Klose (+120)
Stephens is the most overrated striker in the UFC imo, but he’s also the only fighter who might be on track to ever pass Jim Miller for most UFC appearances: this is his 34th, and he’s 34. Stephens really needs a win though, as he moves back up from featherweight for the first time since 2013 (ignoring the times he missed weight), and he’s winless in his last 5. Calvin Kattar flattened him with some big elbows in May 2020. Klose is the kind of midcarder who Stephens should have been fighting for the last forever, anyway. He’s a kickboxer with a 5-2 UFC record and zero UFC finishes. He has wins over some good guys like Bobby Green and Lando, though, so he might be able to outpoint Stephens. Dariush KOed him in March 2020, though, so Stephens might be able to put him away with a good connection. Maybe look at those odds, though.

Heavyweight Andrei Arlovski (-133) vs Chase Sherman (+132)
Arlovski makes his 21st walk… in his second UFC tenure, for his 35th total. poo poo, he could catch Miller, too. He’s 2-1 in his last 3, getting caught in a scrambly-rear end RNC vs Tom Aspinall in February. Chase Sherman has a terrible nickname, but he’s a big strong dude with pretty good skills for heavyweight. Sherman had a really crappy first UFC run, but he returned in May 2020 with a TKO of Ike Villanueva (moving up from 205) and vowed not to take any more short notice fights. 4 of Sherman’s 6 losses are by KO.

Middleweight Abdul Razak Alhassan (-283) vs Jacob Malkoun (+260)
Malkoun is that Aussie grappler with 5 fights who got smashed up real bad by Phil Hawes some time back. We didn’t even get a chance to see anything out of him, in fact. He just got punched and fell over and that was it. Alhassan has finished 100% of his wins by KO (incl. Niko Price). In November 2020 he got loving flattened by Khaos Williams. He’s moving up from welterweight here, though. We also hate him because he is an alleged rapist.

Lightweight Luis Peña (-139) vs Alexander Munoz (+128)
Peña is “Violent Bob Ross” and the UFC really wants to push him for some reason, but I don’t think he’s really that good. He’s a really lanky guy who does lanky guy stuff and frowns a lot. We saw him get guillotined in June 2020 by Khama Worthy, bringing his UFC record to 4-3. Alex Munoz is the wrestling coach for TAM and he comes into this with a 6-1 record, his lone loss being a decision to Haqparast in August. He has a DWCS win over Nick Newell.

Bantamweight Ricardo Ramos (-105) vs Bill Algeo (+103)
Ramos is a Dana White Lookin For A Fight product, now best known for a spinning back elbow KO of Aiemann Zahabi. He’s 5-2 in the UFC, most recently getting stopped by Lerone Murphy (?). Bill Algeo had a good fight where he came up short against Ricardo Lamas in what proved to be Lamas’s retirement fight. He then went on to take a decision win over Spike Carlyle. This is apparently Algeo’s bantamweight debut.

Prelims
Flyweight Tracy Cortez (-250) vs Justine Kish (+231)
Justine Kish has had a rough UFC run. She was first known as the Russian kickboxer who blew out her knee on TUF when the division was launching. And then she became the lady who pooped herself in a loss to Felice Herrig. Now she’s coming off her first ever stoppage loss, RNC3 to Sabina Mazo, and is 1-3 in her last 4. She’s being offered up to Tracy Cortez, who is an 8-1 DWCS product with a 2-0 UFC record. The x-factor here is that Cortez seems to have flirted with Bantamweight, so who knows if she’ll be big or drained.

:siren:Heavyweight Alexander Romanov (-126) vs Juan Espino (+126)
The Tsar is back! Romanov is a big ol Moldovan chonkster who might be an Actual Good heavyweight but we’ll see. He’s 13-0 with wins over Marcos R de Lima and Roque Martinez, both by submission. He’s a wrestle-and-maul type of fighter – just gets on top and donkey kongs dudes and then grabs a limb and beasts it off (he has 3 wins by forearm choke, several by neck crank, and a slam). His fight vs Lima was actually a Technical Submission by forearm choke. Good times! Espino is a Spanish heavyweight who won a season of TUF and seems to fight like once every decade since then. He’s 40 now and 2-0 in the UFC with wins by Scarf Hold and Straight Armlock. Yesssss. Good fight, especially for those of us who like grappling.

Strawweight Jessica Penne (+241) vs Lupita Godinez (-265)
Penne was supposed to fight Hannah Goldy but covid so she draws Lupita. The former Invicta Atomweight champ and UFC Strawweight title contender Penne has been out for a while because of some stanky pee problems. She is 1-3 in the UFC. She’s primarily a grappler. Godinez is an undefeated LFA champion with a win over Vanessa Demopoulos, which I’m sure I saw, and I generally remember it being a decent fight even if I can’t think of specifics. She is a short notice replacement here, though.

Middleweight Gerald Meerschaert (+116) vs Bartosz Fabinski (-126)
Meerschaert is our saxophone-playing grappler who got KOed by Khamzat in 17 seconds. He is definitely a mid-to-low card middleweight with some kinda respectable wins (Trevin Giles probably his best) but no losses to anyone who isn’t at least pretty good. Fabinski is a polish fighter who has a roughly 4-2 UFC record – I say roughly because he beat Darren Stewart at Cage Warriors 113, but that was supposed to be a UFC fight that they moved to the CW card because of covid. He got armbared in the first round his last time out. He’s a forgettable middleweight, too.

Bantamweight Zarah Fairn Dos Santos (+122) vs Josiane Nunes (-118)
I don’t know who these people are. Oh wait, yes I do. Nunes is the French fighter who lost to Megan Anderson and Felicia Spencer. She’s not very good. Josi Nunes is a 6-1 Brazilian, and every one of her wins with a recorded method is stoppage by strikes. Her lone loss is to Taila Santos, who we saw take a solid decision win over Gillian Robertson in December.

Bantamweight Tony Gravely (-300) vs Anthony Birchak (+280)
Birchak had a fight cancelled recently? Oh he was supposed to fight Johnny Eduardo. Birchak is a journeyman who KOed Joe Soto, then got eaten by the good version of Thomas Almeida, and then bounced around in the hinterlands for a while, coming back for a covid fight where Gustavo Lopez RNCed him (beautiful submission by the way) in the first round. Tony Gravely is not the guy who I thought he was at first. He’s 1-1 in the UFC, coming from DWCS. He has a split decision win vs some guy.

Lightweight Austin Hubbard (-172) vs Dakota Bush (+160)
Hubbard is a prospect who turned out to be merely ok. He was the lfa lightweight champion but has alternated wins and losses to a 2-3 UFC record since then. He got RNCed by Joe Solecki (who we saw beat Jim Miller last week) in August. Dakota Bush is not the gay-for-pay porn star who KOed Johny Hendricks in a bareknuckle boxing match. I repeat: Dakota Bush is not the gay-for-pay porn star who KOed Johny Hendricks in a bareknuckle boxing match. He’s an 8-2 LFA guy who won a fight in January by first round head kick.

Snack Rating: grocery store pizza, but the stuff made in store and sold at the deli, not the frozen kind.

CommonShore fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Apr 14, 2021

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


TheKingslayer posted:

The odds on these two are a typo, right?

Yeah cortez is -250

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


For Conor to have an answer to that calf kick he'll have to narrow and square his stance, and that will have a negative effect on other major parts of his game.

Here's where we put in a picture of BJ Penn fighting his trilogy vs Frankie Edgar:

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


FishBowlRobot posted:

Can Conor calf kick from his usual stance?

Sure yeah

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Count Roland posted:

Could you expand on this? Why does he need to narrow his stance?

Part of the reason that the calf kick has come into play is as a counter to the wide karate stance that lots of fighters - including Conor - have started to use. It basically just leaves that calf hanging there where it can be kicked easily from an angle that's a bit safer from counter punches. Then, if you have that wide, bladed stance, you can't actually turn your leg out far enough to check the calf kick effectively. That's what happened in the last fight - Conor actually tried to check some and admitted in the press conference that his checks weren't good enough to stop the blows from doing damage.

So if you want to be able to turn your leg far enough to check them and meet shin to shin, you need to narrow your stance and square your hips, basically moving into something closer to a thai stance.

Try it! Stand in a Conor/Wonderboy/Machida/Gunner stance and then try to turn your lead leg outward to meet an incoming kick. It's awkward and you'll find yourself naturally shifting back and squaring up to do it.

leftist heap posted:

I'm not sure why Conor is gonna suddenly make any advancements in his game when he clearly didn't for the rematch. Has he suddenly developed an ability to surround himself with and listen to good coaches?

And here's the key

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


beep by grandpa posted:

Another lamb to feed the lioness :getin:

A vixen is a fox :colbert:

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Poirier is going to win by first round KO and they'll hand Conor a belt

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Mean Bean Machine posted:

lol people saying stephens should be cut for shoving a guy. fighters have been shoving each other at weigh-ins since weigh ins were a thing, was he supposed to know that he was going to hurt the guy? it was a freak accident. its like saying the production guy that laid down the cable that tony ferguson tripped on and got hurt should be fired. get a grip

is this a taping joke


e. mixed up grip and gaffer

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Askren made about 50% of his entire pro fighting career's disclosed earnings last night.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man




UFC 261 Breakdown

I’m going to do a quick breakdown for this for a few reasons

1) This is going to be a covid superspreader event and I don’t want to put too much effort into promoting it.
2) I’m watching always sunny and eating nachos
3) There are very few matches where I can say anything beyond the obvious – either you know, or you don’t care.

Main Card PPV
Welterweight Championship Kamaru Usman © (-390) vs Jorge Masvidal (+342)
Usman is probably the best current champ. He was a decision monster on his way to the championship but he has been smashing dudes as champ – he beat up Gilbert Burns last time. Masvidal is getting his second shot at Usman after getting shut out (but surviving to a decision) last July and then making some excuses for short notice.

:siren:Strawweight Championship Zhang Weili © (-198) vs Rose Namajunas (+180)
Zhang is doing the former champs tour right now. Her fight last spring against Joanna Champion was one of the best fights in the sport’s history. Rose avenged her loss to Jessica Andrade last July in a killer good fight

:siren:?Flyweight Championship Valentina Shevchenko (-375) © vs Jessica Andrade (+348)
Valentia is 6-0 at flyweight, having taken a lopsided decision over Jennifer Maia in November. My Girl Jessica Andrade is 1-0 at Flyweight after losing her title and a split decision to Rose at strawweight. She jumped the queue because she liver shotted the top-ranked Katlyn Chookagian. She’s moving up but she was successful at 135.

Middleweight Chris Weidman (-110) vs Uriah Hall (+113)
This is actually a rematch of a 2010 ROC fight which Weidman won by TKO. Inconsistent but spectacular striker Hall is on a 3-fight streak with a win over Anderson Silva in October. Former champ Weidman snapped a losing streak with an uninspiring decision win over Omari Akhmedov. He has been KOed 5 times in his last 7 fights, so consider that when looking at the lines.

Light Heavyweight Anthony Smith (+170) vs Jimmy Crute (-147)
I hate this kind of matchup. Smith is getting his feet back under him after a rough run after coming up short vs Jon Jones. He triangled Devin Clark last time out in November. Jimmy Crute is a fairly promising prospect with some tattoos that look like nazi tattoos but are apparently video game tattoos. He is on a two-finish streak right now and his only loss in the UFC is to Cirkunov.


Prelims ESPN/ESPN+
:siren: Welterweight Alex Oliveira (+136) vs Randy Brown (-147)
Cowboy Oliveira is always a good time. He got guillotined by a Khazakstani uber prospect on short notice in October. Randy Brown is a fairly fun striker but he got KOed by Vicente Luque in August. This is a pure action fight with basically no divisional relevance.

Welterweight Dwight Grant (-215) vs Stefan Skulic (+191)
Dwight Grant is a DWCS guy with a mixed record and he’s basically a boxer. Skulic is 0-1 UFC.

Middleweight Karl Roberson (+137)vs Brendan Allen (-145)
Roberson is a contender series guy who moved down from 205 after some losses. He got RNCed by Vettori in June. Brendan Allen is an LFA guy who was on a run but then got TKOed by Sean Strickland in June.

:siren:Featherweight Pat Sabatini (-219) vs Tristan Connelly (+195)
Pat Sabatini is a solid LFA champ who did a cool armbar in his last fight. This is his UFC debut. Tristan Connelly is that Canadian goblin who came in on short notice and beat Michael Pereira in a great fight.

Early Prelims ESPN2/ESPN+
None of these fighters are noteworthy and none of these fights are noteworthy. Lots of them are Chinese fighters making their UFC debuts.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Remember when Browne's knee blew and he got cudgelled by an Easter Island statue

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Pretty much every other sport brags about how much the athletes get paid

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

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Watch Sanko get fired

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

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JOHN CENA posted:

its even funnier because the headline on the front page is just quoting the language on the ticket when you buy it

Just like those pusy rear end ivy leage reporters college boy ivory towers to use my own words in context against me do you wanna be a loving fighter

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

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Shumagorath posted:

I never liked him because he beat some of my favourite fighters and I'm spiteful like that, but he's just an athletically gifted empty vessel for Serra-Longo who never has and never will have an iota of self-doubt, and that's going to result in a further and ugly decline. The best thing I can say about him is that he never popped positive when taking lots of short-notice fights in an era where juice was rampant.

The one observation that gives me pause on him is how hard his decline correlated to the IV rehydration ban. I feel like he looked much bigger in the Silva and Rockhold fights than he has in his more recent ones.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


`Disclaimer for gamblers – I am not a gambler. I talk about odds, but I use them as a talking point. When I highlight an underdog I’m not endorsing any kind of bet. Rather, I’m asserting that a fight looks more competitive to me than the betting line suggests. You’re responsible for your own decisions.



Light Heavyweight Dominick Reyes (+113) vs Jiri Prochazka (-125)
Former 2x title challenger Reyes makes his return after getting Polish Powered, though this was supposed to happen in February. Reyes is a striker who took Jones to a disputed decision, but then he got KOed by current champ Jan. Jiri is the former Rizin champ with wins over CB Dollaway, Fabio Maldonado, and King Mo, but in his UFC debut he KOed Volkan Oezdemir, so he’s justifiably getting matched up against a top opponent. Probably going to be a decent striking match, though don’t be surprised of Reyes is gun shy.

Featherweight Cub Swanson (+148) vs Giga Chikadze (-155)
Cub has been around and around and around. He’s on a winning streak right now, KOing Daniel Pineda last time out. He’s an unorthodox striker with a BJJ black belt. Giga is a top-tier Georgian kickboxer who is 5-0 in the UFC with no wins over good opponents, and one finish.

:siren: Light Heavyweight Ion Cutelaba (-130) vs Dustin Jacoby (+125)
Ion is one of those guys who is dumb as rocks and has good fights as a consequence. He’s the Moldovan brawler who is coming off of the “Play stupid games win stupid prizes” series vs Ankalaev. Jacoby got bounced from the UFC years ago but then established himself as a kickboxer and then fought his way back in via DWCS. He’s now 2-0 in his second UFC run, though his more recent fight failed to impress.

:siren: Middleweight Sean Strickland (-250) vs Krzystof Jotko (+226)
Excellent fight. Strickland’s return continues. He had a pretty good welterweight run then came back as a middleweight after a motorcycle accident. He’s 2-0 since then, most recently derailing prosect Brendan Allen by TKO. Jotko is a solid Polish technical striker on a 3-fight streak and a 9-4 UFC record overall. A year ago he took a decision from Eryk Anders. The winner of this fight will be entering the title picture, probably drawing someone like Jared Cannonier next.

:siren:Bantamweight Merab Dvalishvili (-240) vs Cody Stamann (+225)
Merab is already in the title picture, and that he now is fighting down is actually probably evidence of that. He’s a gigantic, powerful wrestler. He took a decision over Dodson in August bringing him to a 5-fight streak, so that he’s now matched against a guy who is 2-2 in his last 4 kinda speaks to him being in a holding pattern, waiting for a top-5 opportunity. Cody is a wrestleboxer with a MOLON LABE tattoo. His fights are ok I guess. Merab will be looking for that signature finish.

Flyweight Poliana Botelho (-225) vs Luana Carolina (+235)
Botelho is coming off a decision loss to Gillian Robertson in October for a 3-2 UFC record. Carolina is a DWCS product who lost by kneebar to Ariane Lipski in July. This probably doesn’t belong on the main card.

Prelims
Strawweight Randa Markos (+155) vs Luana Pinheiro (-157)
How is Randa still here? She’s 10-10-1 overall and has lost 3 straight. She got outwrestled by a Japanese rookie in November. Pinhero is a DWCS product from Brazil who KOed the poo poo out of Jorge Gurgel’s ex-sister-in-law in November.

:siren:Featherweight Gabriel Benitez (-186) vs Jonathan Pearce (+175)
Benitez is pretty fun. He’s an action fighter from AKA with the talking point of having “extremely powerful kicks.” His fights are usually good and fun, every inch a journeyman. Pearce is a DWCS product who was fed to Joe Lauzon, but then bounced back with a win over fellow prospect Kai Kamaka III in November.

:siren:Featherweight Kai Kamaka III (-147) vs TJ Brown (+142)
Speaking of… Kai Kamaka III is a prospect who had a great debut back in August vs Toney Kelly. That was a great fight! He looked good at first against Pearce but then sorta gassed and then lost. TJ Brown is a DWCS pawn who is 0-2 in the UFC and presumably still here because he gets paid nothing.

:siren:Strawweight Loma Lookboonmee (-350) vs Sam Hughes (+325)
Loma is a muay thai lady who is 2-1 in the UFC. She’s fun to watch. Sam Hughes from LFA and lost the title by an inverted triangle choke technical submission at the last moment. She had an eye injury TKO to Tecia Torres in her December UFC debut.

Featherweight Luke Sanders (-135) vs Felipe Colares (+130)
Sanders IDK. He lost to Soukhamthath but KOed Renan Barao. Probably says more about Barao. Colares idk also. He’s 1-2 UFC with no noteworthy opponents or fights I remember.

Middleweight Andreas Michailidis (-230) vs KB Bhullar (+210)
Bhullar is a Canadian prospect who was brought in to get KOed by Tom Breese on short notice. Michailidis is a 12-3 Greek who lost by falling through the cage door when his corner came in between rounds because he was KOed at the end of the round and didn’t know where he was. He comes down from Light Heavyweight.

Snack Rating: pizza from a chain restaurant, but from that one franchise location that you happen to know is way better than the chain is at other locations.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Trillhouse posted:

I'm laughing about Smiling Sam Alvey saying he was against a fighters' union because he was going to be the next McGregor, and then going 3-6-1 since then with some of the worst, most boring fights I've ever seen. 0-5-1 over his last six fights. He hasn't won since 2018 and I'm surprised he hasn't been cut already.

He probably got as many chances in his losing streak because he keeps saying anti-union poo poo

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Now they need to do the same for Cerrone

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


And there are reports that Zabit is retiring

https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1388117376324050947

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

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The talk is that he's after Glover

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Hirez posted:

I didn't know where else to put this but since I read of Prison Oil Bowl or whatever story from a ufc thread... well in the New Tom Clancy movie Without Remorse. Michael Jordan literally does this.

Sorry for the minute spoiler, thanks for reading and making me mark out - I think of Oilbowl (or whhatever its called, I'm blanking on it now) a lot in my day to day life, to the point where I wish I got it street fights so I could carry some baby oil around

Wait are you saying a movie has an OILDOME scene where a guy strips naked and slathers himself in microwaved baby oil and starts a fight?

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