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Davincie posted:We did learn shamisens are very expensive. Real rich people instrument This.
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# ¿ Jun 9, 2021 02:30 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 21:48 |
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The United States posted:What animes are like From Dusk Til Dawn levels of deceptive where they are completely one thing for half/a good chunk and then turn into something else entirely? The Flying Phantom Ship
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2021 17:34 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Megalobox season 2 started out strong, but I was pretty disappointed with the latest episode.
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# ¿ Jun 15, 2021 04:45 |
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dogsicle posted:was vivy really going to poo poo a bed of 12 solid episodes with its finale though That one aztec fantasy anime kocked room mystery show
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# ¿ Jun 20, 2021 02:25 |
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Ccs posted:Going back to that “good endings” list, as much as I love Giant Robo I’m not sure if the ending really works. It closes one arc but hints at a much great conflict involving Big Fire’s leader and then they never got the green light to continue that story. it's an extremely complete story, multiple characters have complete well defined arcs and development. Like yeah there are future mysteries but nobody is really left hanging character wise.
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# ¿ Jun 20, 2021 23:12 |
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chiasaur11 posted:I said this in the Nomad thread, but the latest episode just emphasized it. This show has a problem at the moment, and I don't know that it'll manage to land well despite it in the last episode. I agree with every word you wrote. In a show whwre every character has an implied rich interior life, complex thoughts and feelings Sakuma feels like a stock character. It makes the anti-corporate aspect of the show come off as inauthentic. This was also the weakest part of the first season with Shirato, I feel.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 15:30 |
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It comes across as fake, just like the class politics of the first season, and just like the class politics of its inspiration, Ashita no Joe.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 19:10 |
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, a season that started out looking like it'd be a personal journey doesn't need a cartoon character billionaire villain in it.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 19:17 |
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Darth Walrus posted:The season started out with Joe learning to come to terms with his trauma through solidarity with a refugee population under threat from a land shark employing racism to turn their neighbours against them, and the current conflict is about a guy from the same diaspora who managed to become a superstar because a megacorp turned him into a murder-zombie to hawk their tech to the military. Nomad has never, ever drawn a distinction between the personal and the political, and the main villain is the main villain precisely because he's an enemy of humanity and interiority. Capitalism is narcissism, and narcissism is an eternally hungry void. Okay, I still think it's boringly done GorfZaplen fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jun 22, 2021 |
# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 23:21 |
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The yakuza guy in the immigrant arc was also an unbelievable cartoon character. Compare with the yakuza guy from the first season, who was presented in such a way that you could see glimpses of his life beyond the show. When yakuza dog man and Sakuma aren't there to play their role in the show they don't have any apparent presence in the world of the show, unlike the antagonists of 1 whose presence could be felt everywhere.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 23:24 |
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Also the cyberpunk show making the billionaire tech guy the villain isn't exactly inherently a deep or original move!
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 23:31 |
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Sorry for making so many posts but I'm basically posting as I think it through. I suppose what bugs me about it is having a billionaire tech villain seems like such an easy way out writing wise. I'd also say it's minimizing the culpability of the military here, by presenting Sakuma as an individual providing a product rather than a conspirator. It lacks the texture of reality, even if it makes a valid point, and the first half of the season had that texture if that makes sense.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 23:36 |
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I mean, the original is inauthentic because by the end the rich girl is presented as the closest thing Joe has to a spiritual equal, this being the reason he passes his gloves on to her, nothing as maudlin as him professing or recognizing his feelings for her. Also, the original ending of the manga was going to be Joe chilling out on her porch with her, which by the manga's own symbolism would represent his domestication! Other rich people who aren't Youko are far more favorably presented. If anything the real tension between Youko and Joe.is that she is a woman playing in a man's world; recall when they discover Carlos' brain damage that Joe threatens to kill her because Carlos' vulnerability isn't for a woman to see. Once Joe becomes successful the poverty he came from is never really used in the plot again. He is assumed to have enough money to do what he needs to do. His poor neighborhood is no longer a place of struggle but a place to make easy jokes about poor people grifting strangers. He improves their morale, but not their material conditions. This is all pretty basic stuff that requires little reading between the lines. The class dynamics in Joe are pure populism, and I'd even go so far as to say it's potentially an affect written to lure in leftist student Garo readers. Osamu Tezuka was doing the same thing at the same time! Ikki Kaniwara's own politics were decidedly right leaning. He may have been class aware, but that is different than actual faith or representation of leftist class politics. To address Nomad again, to be honest it doesn't really have any more of a politicial consciousness beyond what a primetime tv drama would. Look back to season 1: the veteran story never touched on the military industrial complex, only the personal sufferings of veterans. You can see this same plotline play out at some point on every drama on every major news network. And here, as others have said, the fact that Sakuma is the sole creator of evil and conflict in this arc is what makes it seem unrealistic. It never addresses the system, and the story is in fact sympathetic to Shirato as a "good" CEO who is suspicious of Sakuma. Also, there are no inevitabilities in fiction. To say otherwise is excusing bad writing, which is what how Sakuma is written in Nomad is. It honestly sounds to me like you're saying it's fine Nomad is boring because it has to be due to its genre! Something having good and correct politics is no excuse for boring writing. And frankly, saying billionaires are evil psychos is a shared bekief between the far right and left wings in America at the moment, and is a pretty uncontroversial position to take.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 03:30 |
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Also I like the chief there, I bet you felt like big man writing that response, huh?
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 03:36 |
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All I'm saying is, if Ashita no Joe were genuinely concerned with class politics, it wouldn't have resolved the arc where Joe has lost his ferocity because of his soft and decadent prize fighter lifestyle by having him fight a Malaysian caveman.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 04:12 |
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I think where we disagree is on the premise this is an anticapitalist text, where I think it's just unconvincing set dressing. I don't know if anything more can be said if this is the case
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 04:48 |
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Also, it being anticapitalist does nothing to challenge my assertion Sakuma is boring and poorly written.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 04:51 |
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Darth Walrus posted:It kind of does matter if his lack of substance is intentional, given that the series is so heavily focused on presenting a conflict between humanity and social success in a broken society (see also, Santa's constant low-level conflict between being a great reporter and a good friend). That's not bad writing, it's effective thematic consistency. I'll be honest, while I greatly enjoy Megalobox I don't think the writers are subtle or good enough for this to be the case
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 13:03 |
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I'm not the one saying a characrer being boring and bad is good and woke actually, but go off I guess.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 14:48 |
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Look, I like Nomad. I think the visuals and sound design are top notch. I think Mac is a very sympathetic and interesting character, and I want to know what happens to him. But I'm not going to call what I see as boring writing fridge brilliance, and I'm not going to pretend this show is woke when it's doing hardly anything you wouldn't see on a major network tv show.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 14:57 |
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I have read that interview and I think their handling of toxic masculinity is one of the better parts of the show. I just don't agree that Sakuma is handled well! To change the topic a little has anyone here watched Fairy Ranmaru? It seemed interesting but I haven't heard much about it
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 16:24 |
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FilthyImp posted:Yeah, it's really framing the conversation using terms like these that makes your writing come off badly.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 16:52 |
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Darth Walrus posted:I just feel it's both unwise and ungenerous to assume that it's 'bad writing' rather than simply a deliberate, carefully-built artistic endeavour that you personally cannot easily relate to or invest in, especially given how rock-solid the thematic consistency has been so far. Eh, I don't think it's ungenerous. One only has to look as far as Megalobox season 1 to set expectations, and to be honest this season is about on par with that. That is a show that pulled together thematically in the end, but only kind of, and in many ways only in relation to its original work. And I'm one of it's most ardent defenders! That this season started so strong and has comfortably slid into the previous season's vibe is probably what is contributing to people's annoyance. Maybe it will be a masterful intersection of character and theme like you suggest. But I'm not holding my breath. I will say that debating this with you has reinvigorated my interest in actually finishing the show. I was ready to drop it but thinking more clearly about it's weaknesses compared to what it is doing well has convinced me to see it through.
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2021 01:50 |
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I'll pull a Cestvs and watch an episode of Getter out of grim curiosity before telling people to read the manga
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# ¿ Jun 25, 2021 02:15 |
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hosed up that Cestvs was the best written boxing anime this season!
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# ¿ Jun 25, 2021 02:16 |
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Omnicrom posted:It's one of the reasons why Akira is such a technical marvel, they animated the lip flaps to match the actual mouth movements necessary for a real person to actually say the lines. Akira was nuts, if you saw like, the top half of a cowboy get shot on a tv, someone animated the entire cowboy to make sure they got the cowboy getting shot just right.
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# ¿ Jun 26, 2021 05:56 |
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The last time I tried watching anime as it came out on Prime each episode wouldn't have subs available for two or three days.
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# ¿ Jul 1, 2021 17:38 |
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:my modest hope is that the story will be coherent and the getter pilots will be howling murderous madmen. the latter is a pretty safe bet. Arc's protagonists are probably the most moral and reasonable of all of Ishikawa's protagonists. That's an extremely relative measurement of course! As for the story, the manga it's based on is unfinished, so who knows what they're gonna do about that!
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# ¿ Jul 2, 2021 01:32 |
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Thanks for the Fairy Ranmaru post
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# ¿ Jul 3, 2021 22:51 |
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Hell, Getter could have been a lot worse! There's lots of primo ugly old men in it and against all odds they gave us a new OP! The CGI actually looks pretty good too!
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# ¿ Jul 4, 2021 22:00 |
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I should watch Getter Armageddon before watching Arc right? I've only watched New Getter Robo. Tbh New Getter Robo most closely adapts the storyline that precedes Arc so just pretend the demons became bug aliens from the far future at some point and it'll mostly make sense I bet. Or read teh manga.
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# ¿ Jul 5, 2021 00:42 |
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SlowBloke posted:Am I having a stroke or does getter arc have one of the most shittastic 2d animation in recent times? The thugs beat ups are almost musashi-gun bad. Shin getter wasn’t this wonky Shin Getter was also almost 20 years ago. It's a sign of the times!
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# ¿ Jul 5, 2021 20:13 |
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Lmfao
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# ¿ Jul 14, 2021 13:39 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 21:48 |
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Tosk posted:Holy poo poo, Cestvs got an anime?! But isn't the sequel manga still on hiatus? No. They skip roughly 70 chapters of early content to go right to Pompeii, and it's a really weird mix between 2d and 3d, not in the good Orange Studio sense where they use both to complement each other, but they just kind of make a total switch between each arbitrarily
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# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 14:28 |