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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Everything Burrito posted:

I mean, that's kind of the central gag: this high-spec guy who basically has always gotten everything he's ever wanted is getting shut down at every turn by a high school girl who looks at him like he's dirt on her shoe. And then the romance part of it is her slowly warming up to him while he learns to chill out a bit and meet her more on her level.

it's the kind of plot you have to be able to look at separately from how it would go down in actual real life and accept the fantasy of it or it doesn't really work (because he is kind of a creep)

:chloe:

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

agegap romance stuff is a pretty standard female fantasy, where they are the younger one and the guy is the older one. its not woke or anything but its hardly the first or last series to explore that feeling

Usually the older guy isn't presented as a stalker, though? I thought the normal convention was for the older guy to be at least somewhat reluctant at first.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

lmfao. wokely saying 'women who i disagree with about a cartoon have never been harassed in their lives.'

wokely laughing at someone who is obviously describing her own experience with harassment.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


chiasaur11 posted:

Which, in turn, would make everyone else worse. So, in a way, Mineta serves a useful purpose, even if he still sucks.

But alas, not every Shonen Jump horndog character can be as good as Denji.

The funny thing is that Horikoshi has said he knows a lot of people don't like characters like Mineta, which is why he deliberately limits Mineta's panel time. I suspect that actually makes people hate him more, though, because he doesn't really have room for character traits other than being a horndog.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Isekai WNs are copies of copies of Familiar of Zero and Sword Art Online fanfiction. It feels weird to criticize specific isekai WNs for copying from each other.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Raenir Salazar posted:

Was it Golden Compass where a different author kinda wanted to write series that acted as a rebuttal to the bullshit in Lewis's work?

More or less. I think they both end up being narrative failures for much the same reasons in the end, though.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


I'm still enjoying JORAN THE PRINCESS OF SNOW AND BLOOD, but it's more convoluted than ever. Bunch of things I wasn't sure I understood:


  • Were Asahi's (the fake younger sister's) parents supposed to be abusive somehow, or was that just something my subconscious made up so I would feel less bad about Yuki killing them?
  • Is Makoto (the one with the sword) supposed to be a trans man, or was Makoto actually supposed to be female all along and I somehow didn't realize it, or was that just the camera angle making his boobs look big?
  • It did seem clear that Makoto was the actual traitor and framed the cleaner, but I'm not sure if we're supposed to know what their motivations for working for Janome were.
  • Where exactly is everyone supposed to be at the end? Apparently the old lady is actually Janome in disguise, and Janome and Makoto took Asahi to their secret lair, but I didn't follow where the secret lair was supposed to be in relation to the temple where Asahi was supposed to go, the old lady's house, Yuki's apartment, and Elena's brothel.

The reason I consider Joran a good show is that I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions and am asking them non-rhetorically, as opposed to a bad story where I don't care about the plot points that confuse me.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Apr 14, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Silver2195 posted:

I'm still enjoying JORAN THE PRINCESS OF SNOW AND BLOOD, but it's more convoluted than ever. Bunch of things I wasn't sure I understood:


  • Were Asahi's (the fake younger sister's) parents supposed to be abusive somehow, or was that just something my subconscious made up so I would feel less bad about Yuki killing them?
  • Is Makoto (the one with the sword) supposed to be a trans man, or was Makoto actually supposed to be female all along and I somehow didn't realize it, or was that just the camera angle making his boobs look big?
  • It did seem clear that Makoto was the actual traitor and framed the cleaner, but I'm not sure if we're supposed to know what their motivations for working for Janome were.
  • Where exactly is everyone supposed to be at the end? Apparently the old lady is actually Janome in disguise, and Janome and Makoto took Asahi to their secret lair, but I didn't follow where the secret lair was supposed to be in relation to the temple where Asahi was supposed to go, the old lady's house, Yuki's apartment, and Elena's brothel.

The reason I consider Joran a good show is that I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions and am asking them non-rhetorically, as opposed to a bad story where I don't care about the plot points that confuse me.

Incidentally, a look at what people on other sites are saying shows that I am not the only one who is confused about the first two bullet points, at least. Consensus seems to be that yes, Asahi's parents were about to rent her out to a pedophile. Ick..

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Apr 14, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


dogsicle posted:

Asahi's parents were pimping her out, in addition to whatever else they did that ran afoul of Yoshinobu's regime (don't remember a specific reason since it doesn't seem as important as the former).

most of the other stuff this week i think is still up in the air. Makoto seems to be presenting male as part of Nue, while their scenes working for Janome they've got high heeled boots and a large brimmed hat that seem to be, at least in contrast, more feminine. I'm still sketchy on their actual allegiances so whether either of these is closer to their self-ID remains to be seen. There are some things that strike me as odd with the location stuff, like Asahi leaving blood traces at the bookstore but her sandal at the old lady's house, and then Janome having her in the hideout elsewhere (having it near that house would be too careless imo). The scene with Elena is also strange given her seeming lack of involvement with the Asahi plot.

Location discrepancies definitely feel like a quick and easy thing to resolve next week, so I'm hopeful for that. The episode was very roller coaster for me as it would subvert my expectations a bit and then play right back into them...so ultimately things left off where I was expecting after the graveyard scene, but in such a way that character allegiances have been muddled well enough. It definitely gives the show a feeling of exciting possibility even as it's doing pretty well-worn spy stuff.

Thanks. It's good to know that other people are a bit confused too and I'm not just being an idiot.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Raenir Salazar posted:

The Confederacy during the Civil War tried to use slaves as soldiers, that's actually probably closest along with Osttruppen during WW2.

Only at the very end of the war; the idea never got far enough for any slaves to actually fight for the Confederacy.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Maybe it's Japan after a few decades of climate change...

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Otherkin stuff predated Tumblr, anyway; it started in the 90s. The aspect of it that started on Tumblr, as far as I can tell, is the "political" framing of it, especially the appropriation of the rhetoric of the trans rights movement. I suspect Endorph was correct that much of that stuff was deliberate trolling by bigots, but I do think some actual teenagers with chuunibyou bought into it to a degree.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Yeah, Joran had a cool episode. Although Janome's cliched villain dialogue brought it down a bit, and I still don't really understand Makoto's motivations.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

and yet id still take this source over ann

:rolleyes:

We get it, you hate ANN.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Willo567 posted:

Sorry for sounding ignorant, but what happened with ann?

Endorph has some sort of grudge against them.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

its just a joke about them reposting jp tabloids that they ran through google translate, something that observably happened, guy who accused me of being a nazi last time i made a joke at a website's expense

I do admit I overreacted to your posts in the past, but I did not call you a Nazi.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


What's the best "review the older anime you just watched" thread? I think there was one a while back, but if so it seems to be inactive now. I'm watching s-CRY-ed right now, and I think I'll make a big post about it when I finish. Should I use the recommendation thread (despite my review not being entirely positive)? Or will I have to use the general chat thread? I'm actually tempted to post it in the General Mecha Thread, since one of the things that most strikes me about it is how heavily it uses mecha anime tropes despite not containing actual mecha (it's a Sunrise anime).

I feel like there should be a general review-posting thread. We used to have the ADTRWiki for posting reviews, but I'm pretty sure that's dead or mostly dead now.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Raenir Salazar posted:

it isn't in particular the job of the heroes to solved complex sociological or socio-economic issues. Deku cannot punch into being a solution to poverty. Solving poverty is the job of functioning government ministries and politicians.

This is fair enough, but I feel like MHA never really acknowledges this as directly as it should. The characters do sometimes use rhetoric that implies that all problems anyone in Japan has are somehow heroes' responsibility (e.g., All Might "failed to save" Shigaraki from non-Quirk-related child abuse). And this makes MHA feel kind of frustrating, because there's this sense that problems Deku and his friends can't possibly solve, and will never be explored more than superficially anyway, are somehow within the scope of the story.

I guess in a way this actually makes MHA's politics less authoritarian (and more realistic) than those of most shonen manga. But this seems accidental.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:45 on May 17, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

other stuff that wasnt true pre timeskip

The "impossible to gauge what any given attack achieves" part was pretty much always a problem for One Piece, with Luffy vs. Foxy probably being the worst pre-time skip offender.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


kater posted:

There’s a Eureka Seven movie? Let that corpse lie dammit.

Also 86 reminds me a lot of Franxx. I mean idk. It’s got kids, they’ve got machines, the people in charge is hosed up. I guess that is actually everything.

Isn't that basically all mecha anime, especially the Real Robot kind? I'm sure mecha anime that don't have evil authority figures exist, but I can't think of any.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


The Colonel posted:

go watch some classic anime from before 2011

Don't actually watch Kannazuki no Miko, though.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012



Am I the only one who thinks that song sounds oddly similar to Billy Joel's A Matter of Trust in places?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

shield hero was crunchyroll-driven, it just predates the branding, yeah. crunchyroll approached the author and the license holders about an anime. the novels nor the show aren't that popular in japan - for reference i looked up their sales and both do about as well as the misfit in demon king academy, and if you've never heard of misfit in demon king academy, exactly - but the fantranslations of the novel were extremely popular on reddit/4chan in the west, so crunchyroll was looking to capitalize.

Ugh. I should have known.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

this isnt as funny as i thought itd be but i assure you i could keep going

There's a lot of anime with well-written endings, but there's also a lot of anime, especially very hyped ones, that had a promising start but failed to stick the landing.

Darling in the Franxx
Kuma Miko
The Pilot's Love Song
Apparently Attack on Titan? I haven't finished it, but The Discourse appears to be upset about the ending for some reason.
As GorfZaplen mentions, Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers is widely considered an an example, although I don't think it was really that bad.

OK, that's not actually that many, but that was just off the top of my head. Give me a few minutes and I could come up with more.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Endorph posted:

3 of those are adaptations that directly adapted plot points from the original, and franxx had writing issues well before its ending

I assumed we were talking about all anime endings (not just anime-original ones) and comparing the endings to the beginnings (not the middles).

Come to think of it, there's a lot of anime with a promising beginning that the middle doesn't really live up to, but has a decent enough ending in the context of the middle. Aldnoah Zero, for instance.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 20, 2021

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Other anime with bad (but faithful to the manga) endings:
Golden Wind
Banana Fish

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

I would argue it makes perfect sense from a Fourierian perspective, especially regarding the lemonade.

Wait, there's utopian socialism and lemonade seas in this show? I gotta watch this.

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


mdct posted:

Anime-original endings are pretty rare nowadays and there's literally no way To Your Eternity is going to even reach entry into the actual second part of the story at this rate.

Pretty rare, yeah. The anime listed at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GeckoEnding are almost all prior to 2010 or so. The most prominent (though not in a good way) more recent example is probably Kuma Miko.

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