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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





wielder posted:

Back Arrow 13 was pretty good, continuing the recent solid string of episodes about the war. I think this series would be a lot more popular if it was airing on something like Toonami about 15 or 20 years ago, but as far as I'm concerned it's still enjoyable. The new OP is fine too, although I'd say the best part are the last 30 seconds or so.

I mean, maybe. There was more of an audience in the US for episodic goofy sci-fi anime back then. People talk about Outlaw Star as a classic in a way similar modern shows aren't.

But I have my doubts. I talked in the mech anime thread about why Back Arrow is a disappointment for me, and it still holds. One thing is that, while the characters are gimmicky, they aren't that interesting.

Like, comparing to Gridman, because Dynazenon just started and it already kicks rear end, (hoping it can keep that going) Rikka is low key and grounded, but she's got all these personal drives and connections that make her feel real and let her struggles be good TV. Meanwhile, Atlee has fight scenes, but she's not doing anything to make me care what happens to her. Even comparing Yuta and Back Arrow, Yuta's not as active as Back, but his desires shape the plot more.

I'll check out this episode to see if I feel any different, but despite my love of mecha anime and appreciation for some old school episodic goofiness, it's not done much for me.

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





dogsicle posted:

i'm not sure why SSSS is the comparison point for Back Arrow, they are so wildly different in style and intent. Back Arrow is the 2021 GunxSword and i think expectations should just be hovering at that moderate level, which isn't a naturalistic study (ignoring the toku) of a couple characters in its cast like SSSS was and seems to be going for again.

It's a comparison point because they're both giant monster robot fighting anime originals with amnesic protagonists.

Figure comparing modern to modern is easiest, even if there's differences in approach.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Chas McGill posted:

First episode of Megolobox 2 was awesome.

It's also showing better boxing than the first season, looking at the footwork. Haven't seen enough boxing shows to see how to rate it, but it definitely seems like an improvement.

(Which fits with Ashita No Joe, where the boxing got more realistic as it went.)

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Sindai posted:

I for one look forward to the adventures of a girl and her possessed murder scooter.

Seriously how does one of those kill three people?

Well, I can believe the first two were an accident, but by the third person, you had to be trying for it.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





The Colonel posted:

dont worry if mineta was gone the lovely sex jokes would just be divided up between the cast instead

Which, in turn, would make everyone else worse. So, in a way, Mineta serves a useful purpose, even if he still sucks.

But alas, not every Shonen Jump horndog character can be as good as Denji.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Raenir Salazar posted:

IIRC it was like, a "I want to be cool!" sort of motivation wasn't it? Sure it wasn't a great motivation in terms of how we contextualize heroes, especially if we compare it to like Spider-Man but it's also a really human sort of motivation?

Mineta could be a way better character though while still being a source of sex jokes.

I brought up Denji for a reason.

That reason is that he's a really good character who is largely defined by horniness in his early arc.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Raenir Salazar posted:

I don't really know anything about Chainsaw man :ohdear:

It's a manga from Shonen Jump that finished in December with an upcoming anime from Mappa. (It's getting a sequel in Jump Plus)

The basic premise is that there's a teenage boy named Denji who's left so deep in debt to the Yakuza after his father dies that selling his own organs doesn't leave him with enough spare money to have jam on his bread. His best friend is Pochita, a Devil dog who's also a chainsaw. Together, they hunt Devils for money.

The series is partially about Denji's awkward journey to maturity, so there's multiple plot beats devoted to his attempts to reach romantic fulfillment... including an arc where he tries to find a girl who wouldn't mind letting him touch her boobs, with him treating it as his Big Shonen Hero Goal, and everyone else treating him like an idiot.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





So, 86 started today.

It's been pretty hyped up in the light novel community. It's a series that's not primarily an isekai, harem comedy, or based on a pre-existing property, so it being a big success stood out. And watching the first episode...

Yeah, easy to see why people were excited.

The big twist in the first episode is given away by promotional material, but it's still solid even knowing that. We get plenty of time to establish our primary protagonist and show how she handles her job, we get some tension with her relationship with her new assignment, and we see why she's a better person than her coworkers. We don't get as much time with the rest of the main cast, but they're given a few scenes that establish their general deal, and the fight scenes give a third tone distinct from either set of protagonists in their downtime, complete with a third color palette. (Subdued for Major Vladilena, bright and earthy for the 86 team, and dark for combat).

It's being hyped as one of the big anime of the season. No idea if it'll succeed going forward, but at least the start is enough to make me want to see more.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Raenir Salazar posted:

86 looks really interesting. I'm not quite sure how though that: It is specifically that squadron that seems to make people go crazy with what I presume is PTSD? But not any other squadron that seems to be just as bad if not worse? The "86" troopers (regular humans vs I presume quasi immortal designer baby humans?) all seem oddly well adjusted to boot.

The show's going to reveal more later, I'm sure, but it's not the squad in general as much as it's their top pilot specifically. Apparently, brainlinking with the Undertaker makes people hear 'the voices of the dead', in a way that they don't have to deal with normally.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Kwyndig posted:

Not her glasses! But glasses girls are cuter!

Shinji Ikari certainly thinks so.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Omnicrom posted:

I have this weird problem where when I'm watching Super Cub I keep expecting Shimarin to suddenly drive around the corner on her scooter and when she doesn't I get oddly frustrated. The show has a very similar chill energy to Yuru Camp.

Meanwhile, I keep expecting skyscrapers and landscapes to be ten times their normal size.

Also, maybe Isaki.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Endorph posted:

i liked the multiple reviewers of super cub who were completely unable to process the concept of having depression

Sure as hell ain't their scene.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





dogsicle posted:

sorry, i'm not planning to watch SD Gundam World Heroes

Having seen an episode, you are making a wise decision.

I was shocked by how bad SD Gundam World Sangoku Soketsuden was, and this is somehow even duller.

To describe it, I must resort to the immortal words of Char Aznable.

Boppin'.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Raenir Salazar posted:

Make love not war!

It's Gundam. The two are nowhere near mutually exclusive.

(Consider: Barbatos, one of the most animalistic and brutal Gundams, is also the only Gundam that we can be sure people have hosed in.)

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Strange Quark posted:

Everyone liked snafu better when it switched to feel. for s2 didn't they?

There's also Full Metal Panic going over to KyoAni for the second season and Fumoffu.

Studio change is something to keep an eye on, but it's not always a bad thing.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Raenir Salazar posted:

It's not his opinion on the localization people are dunking on him for...

I don't think that's the argument.

The idea is that, for any opinion, there is some person out there who holds it and is an obviously terrible person. So if you're in favor of some show, you can look up a person disparaging it who makes incredibly racist tweets, and if you hate it, you can find someone who loves the show being just as horrible.

It's moving away from argument about the show to argument about people's value as human beings, and it just makes everyone worse.

Like Twitter does.

Twitter makes people worse.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





marumaru posted:

drat what about them seasonal animes though

Back Arrow Dēlenda Est.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





marumaru posted:

i was about to make a dumb joke to the tune of "hehe are they making an anime about a bike haha"



oh

Meanwhile, even though I'm watching Super Cub, it makes me think of Kabu no Isaki every time, since that's also about someone feeling free after getting a Cub. It's just, you know.

A different kind of Super Cub.

Well, until the final chapter, where we see Isaki in a world more like ours, where he just has a Honda instead of a Piper.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





marumaru posted:

without having watched either, makes me think of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou

No surprise there.

Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou's by the same mangaka as Kabu no Isaki. No direct connection, but they share a lot of themes.

(I actually checked out Kabu first because it got mentioned in Fujimoto's author comments for Chainsaw Man. If you like Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, I recommend checking it out.)

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





dogsicle posted:

the animation didn't seem that good. i don't even particularly care about konosuba but i guess the production was its secret strength that none of the subsequent adaptations have really had.

The animation in Konosuba wasn't exactly good, but it leaned into the wonkiness for comic effect to let sloppier techniques work out for the show overall. It also had great performances from the voice cast, including the initially improvised "Yes, I'm Kazuma" running gag.

If you look at DVD sales (a limited metric subject to a lot of other variables, but a metric accessible to the public), Princess Connect: Re Dive, a comedic isekai type anime by the same director as Konosuba, was a massive hit. Meanwhile Kemono Michi, a comedic isekai based on a series by the same writer as Konosuba, was a flop.

Suggests that, as an anime at least, director Takaomi Kanasaki was a big factor in Konosuba being such a hit.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





ChubbyThePhat posted:

Any strong opinions on Mars Red one way or another yet? Been considering checking it out.

First episode was a really strong standalone, and it's had some moments later, but it's not very impressive overall since then.

It's disappointing. Seemed like it would be something unique, and then it fell to being exactly what you'd expect from the description.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Spiritus Nox posted:

That molcar murdered 3 people

That's not true.

The judge ruled two of those cases as manslaughter.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Everything Burrito posted:

honestly i don't really understand why a funimation-licensed donghua doesn't deserve a normal entry like everything else

Maybe because donghua isn't quite the same thing as anime?

It's like how Batman the Animated series isn't anime, but Big O is. There isn't enough donghua discussion to justify a separate forum or anything, so this is the best fit, but it does feel like having a separate marking style is somewhat understandable.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Could you repeat the question?

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Nitrousoxide posted:

His stated reason in the show was, "Well I'm probably not going to get another chance to use this war crime skill, better use it now"

To be fair, I can see Kumoko using the same argument.

Then again, Kumoko and morality have a more... distant relationship than some.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Malsangoroth posted:

So, I ended up dropping 86 on episode 3 because, while the battles were neat, the jarring tonal differences from scene to scene, misused OST, and pedestrian moral quandaries didn't impress me of the director's skills. Only for me to pick it back up on episode 5 after they revealed the enemy Legion are basically harvesting half-dead 86'ers from the battlefield and digitizing their brains to serve as ghostly commanders of their much-larger-than-previously-thought army. That was metal-as-gently caress enough to get me back in.

I'm sorry, but... how's that a negative?

One of the best things about 86 is the intentional tonal disparity between Lena's scenes, Shin's scenes, and the battlefield. The cuts help emphasize that, no matter how Lena tries, she's not part of the 86's world, that she's an outsider in ways she can't even recognize.

It's a really good use of the medium to convey emotional nuance.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





I mean, one of the basic functions of localization is to convey intent, not just literal meaning.

If you don't want viewers going "Is that a Nazi symbol? Are we supposed to think these guys are Nazis? The symbol looks a little different, but...", then changing things makes sense, because leaving things intact creates a distraction that means the audiences get an experience further from the creator's intent. It can still be done badly, but that's a question of execution, not morality.

Accusing people of imperialism over stupid crap like this just turns the conversation into a pedantic discussion of imperialism and removes any weight to the term going forward.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





dogsicle posted:

sd gundams suck

The one where Yazan is Dick Dastardly is good.

This one is terrible, yes, but I feel I should point out that SD Gundam just has a terrible batting average, not a flat 0.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





I'm watching a metric fuckton this season, and even then I'm not seeing everything I'm interested in. Watching the original Gundam at the same time slows me down, and next season looks thin, so I figure I should save some good stuff.

Currently, I'm watching, in rough order of interest:

86
SSSS Dynazenon
Godzilla: Singular Point
To Your Eternity
Nomad
My Hero Academia
Super Cub
I'm a Spider, So What?
Back Arrow (Still not impressed, but it's actually showing its hand now, and that's been less dull to watch than all the sidequesting)
SD Gundam World Heroes (For my sins)

I dropped Mars Red when it didn't live up to the first episode, and Joran after the first episode gave nothing worth watching any further, but that's still an absurdly packed lineup.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Wark Say posted:

Or at least check out the sick OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKMw0hBDBUw

(seriously, though, go watch Oddtaxi; probs my contender for AOTY)

Saving it for next season. It's looking like pretty thin gruel right now, so having something good ready will make it go a bit smoother.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Sakurazuka posted:

.... I should buy one new

But maybe you'd like the kind of trouble that comes with an old one.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Kwyndig posted:

If they're going to make 40 anime in a year they're going to rapidly run out of actually good properties to adapt and we're going to be trapped in isekai bottom of the barrel hell forever.

They actually got pretty close to 40 several years prior to this. It's not a target number for tv anime. It's a number for movies, ONAs, OVAs, shorts, and regular shows put together.

I'm not saying there won't be a lot of bottom barrel hell, but it's not quite as big a jump as it sounds.

(Also, more Konosuba sounds likely, from the announcement, so that might be fun.)

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Endorph posted:

if anything id say the mecha genre is on a bit of an uptick recently. not a major one but compared to the early 2010s it feels like we're getting more shows and a wider variety of shows in the past few years. ibo and gridman were decently big so maybe that has something to do with it.

This year has one of the biggest crops of mech anime in a while, for whatever that's worth. Gundam, Macross, Eva, and Eureka Seven all have movies, Fafner's finishing up Beyond, Getter's animating Arc, Shinkalion is getting a sequel... it's packed.

If we're talking success, there's also Promare making nearly 10 million, Evangelion outgrossing Shin Godzilla this year, and Shinkalion being a pretty solid hit with kids in Japan.

Might not be the biggest thing going (nine isekai next season! NINE!) but it's not a dying subgenre either, even if hand drawn mechs are a bit of a dying art. (Which Sunrise is trying to address.)

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Silver2195 posted:

Isn't that basically all mecha anime, especially the Real Robot kind? I'm sure mecha anime that don't have evil authority figures exist, but I can't think of any.

Depends on your definition of authority figures. And, for that matter, evil.

I don't think Gunbuster has any even by fairly loose definitions. The Empire is all in for saving humanity, the enemy is space monsters, and the people we see in command (Coach and Tatsumi Tashiro) are on the up-and-up, with even their rear end in a top hat moments having explanations.

It's a genre staple to have command be as much trouble for the heroes as the enemy, but there's a lot of variation. On the one end, the original Gundam made it clear that the Federation was kinda lovely, but their main commander in the show, Revil, did his best to support the heroes even when he was using them as part of a wider strategy. On the other, you have Gundam SEED, where the Earth Alliance tried to murder the protagonists and was just as much a bunch of genocidal psychopaths as their main enemies.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





ninjewtsu posted:

is 86 good? i feel like after its first episode it came onto my radar, then shortly after the buzz for it took a downturn and it fell off my radar. should i give it a shot?

It's pretty good so far. Pacing is a little slower since it's a whole cour for one volume of a light novel, but that means there's room to actually give all the supporting characters moments before they die.

The directing is really good, too. Really helps the tone adjust quickly from lighthearted to horrible disaster.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





SatoshiMiwa posted:

Adapting one volume to a 13 episode anime isn't a death kiss but you probably have to have a good staff/studio to make it work which given the amount of anime Kadokawa is trying to release probably isn't their priority

I mean, 86 seems to be doing well with that pacing right now. It's a valid approach... Just you need to have good ways to flesh things out.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

well, no one ever fell in love with lupin because of his looks. dude has always looked like a monkey.

I mean, given the sheer numbers we're looking at, odds say at least some of the women he seduced were into that kind of thing.

Not like it's his real face, anyway.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





86, Dynazenon, and Singular Point for me, I think. But I've left enough shows for a later season that it's not a lock.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Davincie posted:

Congrats to uma musume season two’s first bluray with becoming the second best selling anime of all time, beating evangelion, bakemonogatari and madoka. Only the invincible Golden Eggs still reigns at number 1

Looking up the numbers, the only series that still has it beat is Gundam Unicorn. And Gundam Unicorn was a slow build OVA, "only" selling 85K in its opening week.

This looks like a pretty impressive exception to the general trend for DVD and Blu-Ray sales lately. Wonder how Demon Slayer Season 2 sales will compare.

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Nitrousoxide posted:

How can this girl ride around at near freezing temps in a skirt. She’s the real iron-blooded orphan.

Sounds like you answered your own question there.

Nanomachines.

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