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Paracelsus
Apr 5, 2009

bless this post ~kya


Not enough foot shots to qualify.

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LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


That is tempting fate.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

yahallo


would never have thought of tarantino, no.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado




I call it a noir or neo-noir series. We've got a crime drama with a lot of complicated characters who have a lot of different facets to them. There's plenty of grit and cynicism in the setting and a lot of gray in the cast. We've got the classic thematic staples of noir and neo-noir in the mix of pessimism, nihilism, and isolation we see in the lead and and how it presents the various characters around him. We even have staples of the film genre's presentation in the penned in framing of the show, how many shots have just been Odokawa with someone in the back seat of his cab? Two people stuck together in a cramped metal box hurtling through the night?

Which means, of course, there's gonna be some overlap with Tarantino and some of his films. So yeah, I guess you could find a point of comparison there.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

yahallo


mystery kiss is on spotify

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

AlternateNu posted:

I've heard multiple people and several content creators straight up call this Tarantino-esk.

Goon opinion: Yes or No?

Throw in copious violence and I could see it.

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants


I totally agree with the guy who said this show gave them Yakuza vibes. Also Kiryu's VA was the yakuza boss looking guy so that was a pleasant surprise.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



Gachas: just say no

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


gacha made that boy go from Ghibli to Junji Ito

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014



This episode rules, really like how it tied in with the themes of everything else. I checked back to the episode where Baba of the comedy duo mentions playing that game and had a lol at his rank

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

a whole loving grand for an eraser lmao

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS



An incredible episode.

I had a feeling Shirakawa giving Odakawa the eraser was setting up for something, but I never imagined it was setting up for this.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

What're you lookin' at?


Electric Phantasm posted:

An incredible episode.

I had a feeling Shirakawa giving Odakawa the eraser was setting up for something, but I never imagined it was setting up for this.
Would love to know where she got it. I don't think she was the one who scammed Tanaka though, if it was 16 years ago she'd be 11 at the time.

ghost sex
May 19, 2013


for an episode that is almost fully 100% a character monologuing for 22 minutes straight that was incredibly compelling

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


i said the series reminded me of yakuza but this episode made me think of Tatami Galaxy, albeit not as motor-mouthed

Talorat
Sep 18, 2007

Hahaha! Aw come on, I can't tell you everything right away! That would make for a boring story, don't you think?


ghost sex posted:

for an episode that is almost fully 100% a character monologuing for 22 minutes straight that was incredibly compelling

Hard agree. This show is awesome.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

WELCOME TO THE DUNGEON

That gacha part would've personally hit harder, but I've have yet to spend anything beyond 5 dollars in FEH since I started playing it again back in December.

Still an awesome episode and I completely understand where it's coming from, tho'!

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

I feel like that was a better exploration of addictive personality types and gambling problems than... basically anything in fiction I've encountered before? Granted, I'm not the world's most read individual, but it struck me as a better demonstration of "Oh, so this is what goes on in their heads" than most movies

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


the bit where he ruminates on why he wants this dodo so badly, admits that heís just sick, and then keeps pulling the gacha anyway was a great summation of that condition

and itís not just gambling, but the pursuit of ephemeral pleasures in general. this guy is representative of innumerable people who donít have anything to strive for so they fanatically pursue distractions that are totally inconsequential (mood). it makes gacha seem even more insidious than regular gambling because he canít possibly gain anything from it beyond the next dopamine tingle

ďevery time I got something I wanted, it was followed by that word: Ďand?íĒ

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



Electric Phantasm posted:

An incredible episode.

I had a feeling Shirakawa giving Odakawa the eraser was setting up for something, but I never imagined it was setting up for this.

I'm already looking forward to rewatching this series after it's over to pick up on all the little things that didn't seem to mean much at the time

Joshlemagne
Mar 6, 2013


OnimaruXLR posted:

I feel like that was a better exploration of addictive personality types and gambling problems than... basically anything in fiction I've encountered before? Granted, I'm not the world's most read individual, but it struck me as a better demonstration of "Oh, so this is what goes on in their heads" than most movies

I don't really agree. Firstly, the eraser story had nothing to do with addiction. Secondly, as much as gacha makes you immediately think of addiction, he didn't really care about the game at all until he saw who was #1. That's when he got obsessed and began pouring money into it. They even show him pulling rares (some I think even rarer than the dodo) and being unaffected. He wasn't chasing short-term highs like an addict would. In both cases he'd set a goal of beating a particular person and was obsessed beyond reason at achieving that goal even if he knew deep down it was pointless. That dovetails with the end where Odakawa has become the new target of his obsession.

I feel like it's more a statement of how society has systematically removed the long-term goals people used to aim for so people replace them with superficial ones, but that's not satisfying. Stuff like having a career, buying a house, or even having a family are things a lot of young people feel is out of reach. So instead they shoot for things like getting a high rank in a video game or, to bring in another part of the show, gaining 'success' on social media like the hippo guy. Even the idols and the comedians are pursuing fame but none of them are particularly enthusiastic about it. Everybody is just going through the motions while still feeling that their situation is unsatisfying in a way none of them can properly identify. And then acting out in a variety of ways that even they themselves don't fully understand.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

Yeah that's a good point, it's more about single-minded obsession over achieving some sort of status than addiction. Dude had nothing going for him in his life, got beaten by his father and didn't have friends. He wanted to feel some meaning in his life and have people acknowledge him (ironic considering he seemed to be competent at his job at first and that probably would have happened had he never gotten into gacha). Then when he got robbed of that, he wanted to enact vengeance.

I feel like that's what the theme of this series is gonna be. You have these characters like Twitter Hippo and Gacha Cat who want to stand out and be noticed, meanwhile Odokawa is perfectly content driving his taxi and living his quiet life.

Kaiser Mazoku fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Apr 27, 2021

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


odokawa is a lonely insomniac with possible psychosis, he is not doing okay

utamaru
Mar 7, 2008

BRAP BRAP BRAP BRAP

what if odokawa comes from a dark past of eraser auction scams and after playing so much fuckin' farmville zooden he started seeing everyone around him as strange animals.

I think the eraser addiction thing makes sense, easily relatable to the pokemon card craze and other dumb fads that ran through my early school days. It's a different kind of addiction but it's still a big problem.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS



Forgall posted:

Would love to know where she got it. I don't think she was the one who scammed Tanaka though, if it was 16 years ago she'd be 11 at the time.

11 huh? As in Ditch-11?

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


Electric Phantasm posted:

11 huh? As in Ditch-11?

or "ditch," as in ______"dobu"_______

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Forgall posted:

Would love to know where she got it. I don't think she was the one who scammed Tanaka though, if it was 16 years ago she'd be 11 at the time.
Judging by the relationship chart she has some mysterious connection to Dobu, who seems like the kind of guy who would scam a grade schooler out of $1,000...

Maxwell Adams
Oct 21, 2000

T E E F S

Is 'ditch11' meant to be some kind of pun? When it's said out loud in Japanese, it sounds like 'ditch ichi ichi'. I don't know if that's just supposed to sound funny or if it means something.

Triggerhappypilot
Nov 8, 2009

SVMS-01 UNION FLAG GREATEST MOBILE SUIT

ENACT = CHEAP EUROTRASH COPY






Best guess: Shirakawa is sourcing perscription drugs for the yakuza to pay for med school bills and the eraser thing was just a past attempt to launder drug money and ended up being a useless trinket that just coincidentally happened to get into Odokawa's hands at exactly the wrong time

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

What're you lookin' at?


Electric Phantasm posted:

11 huh? As in Ditch-11?
Maybe!

Also just realized that Don-chan (missing girl's dad and old classmate of yakuza boss) must be Donraku.

copy
Jul 26, 2007

top shit dog on campus

Forgall posted:

Maybe!

Also just realized that Don-chan (missing girl's dad and old classmate of yakuza boss) must be Donraku.

oh wow holy poo poo. Man this show is excellent so far. I love the way the threads interconnect and how so far each episode has felt like a good story on its own rather than solely a build-up to the next one (especially the most recent one). Super well done.

Conclusions
Oct 18, 2003

The ball of yarn will be on your desk by Friday.


That was some incredible tonal whiplash jumping from the end to the end credit song.
Amazing ep!

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand], I require only that you [kneel]


Qwertycoatl posted:

Gachas: just say no

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008



I started watching the show after glimpsing this thread, now I'm hooked like nobody else's business.

I laughed until I cried with that bit from the beginning of episode 3. I can't wait until episode 5!

Kung Food posted:

I'm also leaning towards all the animal people being in Odokawa's head. The conversation with the doctor that went: "What do I look like to you?" "A gorilla," "Well you aren't wrong," seems a huge clue. It's just not a conversation they would have if the doctor was actually a gorilla. That and a nurse laughing at being called an Alpaca. Maybe the car crash the policeman flashed back to was the cause of his mental break?

Yeah, at least going by the subtitles, the language seems to be rather evasive or obfuscating at times. I think that there's definitely something deeper at work here than what's being said on the surface level that will be revealed over time.

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 15:36 on May 1, 2021

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


I'm dreading that the show is going to end in tragedy

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado




Sadly, considering the genre? There's a really high chance that this is all going to end with tears and fire.

Tales of Woe
Dec 17, 2004



the very first scene of the show was a vaguely odokawa-shaped body being dumped in the river

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS



I was laughing at hippo guy's declaration of war

then he pulled out a knife and started stabbing that picture of Dobu

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?



lmao kakihana's downward spiral is gonna explode if this keeps up

dont loving take a loan out from the yakuza to go on what is very obviously some kind of phishing/scam date with a barely 18 year old what the gently caress are you doing

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Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

Mix. posted:

lmao kakihana's downward spiral is gonna explode if this keeps up

dont loving take a loan out from the yakuza to go on what is very obviously some kind of phishing/scam date with a barely 18 year old what the gently caress are you doing

He's gonna end up murdered or in jail by the end of this.

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