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Arist posted:Worth noting that the swearing thing isn't necessarily wrong but it's absolutely a cargo cult thing. The algorithm is totally opaque and any "information" we claim to possess about it is, at best, reverse-engineered from statistical noise. that's true a lot of the time, but in this case it was actual stated policy that they changed last july: https://www.pcgamer.com/software/pl...f-ks-carefully/
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Also no matter how it is it's not cargo culting. We understand the mechanisms that are doing the demonitization. We just don't know the specific threshholds involved.
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CainFortea posted:Also no matter how it is it's not cargo culting. We understand the mechanisms that are doing the demonitization. Sorry, but yes it is, and no you don't understand the mechanisms. Just because you did a rain dance and it rained doesn't mean the dance worked. People are spreading information about how they think the algorithm works without verification and based on their successes or failures other people are copying them. It's superstitious thinking even if there's a reason to be superstitious.
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Like, I'm not begrudging anyone who has to play that game, particularly if they make a living that way. This is by no means a defense of YouTube. If anything, the fact that we don't know what the standards are is damning.
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That's loving stupid and not what words mean. If you do thing and get dinged and then don't do the thing and don't get dinged, you have a basis for a theory. "Was it that thing I did that was the problem?". If you talk to a bunch of other people who did thing and get dinged and notice people who keep doing it keep getting dinged while people who stop doing it stop getting dinged, well, you've amassed some evidence that there might in fact be something there. When thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people posting videos continue to talk out their issues and what they are doing when a strike comes down it's more than just random hand waving. Is it a fact, can they state with total certainty the *exact* rule in question? No. Are they pulling it out of their rear end with no evidence and examination? Also no. There is in fact a middle ground between "Know everything" and "Just randomly making poo poo up lol".
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Arist posted:Sorry, but yes it is, and no you don't understand the mechanisms. Maybe you don't understand them but most people know what algorithms are.
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That would make sense if the algorithm didn't change, which it does, constantly. I've seen this exact cycle play out dozens of times, dude, and sometimes the consensus people form ends up being wrong!
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lol why are people getting mad about this
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CainFortea posted:Also no matter how it is it's not cargo culting. We understand the mechanisms that are doing the demonitization. The cargo culting surrounds monitoring your language to prevent lowered impressions. Full on demonetization is a totally seperate thing that is supposed to only trigger on egregious things like slurs or real life gore and you get notified when that happens. Additionally they've been a bit more gung-ho about blocking stuff from people using restricted mode for swearing, but unlike the algorithm stuff you can actually check that directly rather than guessing if you've been impacted from impression stats.
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Right, but everyone knows the mechanisms being employed. The only mystery is the specifics of how many of what word is allowed in what time frame, or how much the ad targetting weighs it. To use the rain dance metaphor, it's not that someone does a jig and the rain happens. It's someone looks at the clouds, notices their different shapes and colors, knows that sometimes when the clouds get dark they usually drop rain, but not always. We're understanding that normally dark clouds bring rain, but we don't have the objective specific numbers on atmospheric conditions that can tell us for sure one way or another. Arist posted:lol why are people getting mad about this Everyone who disagrees with you is mad on the internet.
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did people miss the link i posted that said the issue was stated policy
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Yeah, people are conflating demonetization, which YouTube tells you about when it happens, with getting a video deprioritized by the algorithm, which it doesn't. The latter presumably happens more frequently, but there's a lot more noise surrounding it because it's hard to discern why a video did poorly.CainFortea posted:Right, but everyone knows the mechanisms being employed. The only mystery is the specifics of how many of what word is allowed in what time frame, or how much the ad targetting weighs it. You say you know the mechanisms, but then immediately admit you don't know what words you can say, or how frequently, or how important that even is to a video's success. That's my entire point, man. You're claiming to know what dark clouds look like when you can't even see the sky. Everything you "know" about the state of the algorithm could change tomorrow and you might not even realize there was a change for weeks. And what you claim to know now is largely based on anecdotes from random people trying to figure out why their videos did poorly. You can't even try to control for any variables because the nature of these platforms means that they could just include you or your videos in some random A/B test and you'd never know. YouTube is a black box in ways that extend far beyond the algorithm, which exists in its current state, yes, partially for the sake of advertising, but also to juice engagement (also for the sake of advertising). It is not good that it exists in this form, but it does. All I am saying, all that I have been saying, is that people cannot be certain what will lead to being blessed or cursed by an opaque process that exists almost entirely without human input or oversight. It's not pointless to try to discern meaning from the noise that process produces if it's your literal job, of course, but the process is still bullshit. Arist fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jan 20, 2026 |
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if you guys aren’t careful this discussion might make me unalive myself
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Ror posted:if you guys aren’t careful this discussion might make me unalive myself No, not b4 you ever had seggs!!
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Arist posted:You say you know the mechanisms, but then immediately admit you don't know what words you can say, or how frequently, or how important that even is to a video's success. I did not say that. "specifics of how many of what word is allowed in what time frame, or how much the ad targetting weighs it."
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Skinner managed to make pigeons superstitious with similar tactics.
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Is Smosh Hospital good, or will it eventually be on YouTube? The vod costs like 17 euro and will become unavailable at the end of the month, so I'm wary about putting money down on it.
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Arist posted:lol why are people getting mad about this is very funny when you go on to type all this Arist posted:You say you know the mechanisms, but then immediately admit you don't know what words you can say, or how frequently, or how important that even is to a video's success. That's my entire point, man. You're claiming to know what dark clouds look like when you can't even see the sky. Everything you "know" about the state of the algorithm could change tomorrow and you might not even realize there was a change for weeks. And what you claim to know now is largely based on anecdotes from random people trying to figure out why their videos did poorly. You can't even try to control for any variables because the nature of these platforms means that they could just include you or your videos in some random A/B test and you'd never know.
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FurtherReading posted:Is Smosh Hospital good, or will it eventually be on YouTube? The vod costs like 17 euro and will become unavailable at the end of the month, so I'm wary about putting money down on it. all their live shows like that don't go on youtube eventually, but if you wanna give it a shot someone did put it up on the internet archive. i was going to post it when the smosh thread went up, but that hasn't happened yet. shoot them some money if you like it! i thought it was very good, possibly the funniest amanda's been
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flatluigi posted:all their live shows like that don't go on youtube eventually, but if you wanna give it a shot someone did put it up on the internet archive. i was going to post it when the smosh thread went up, but that hasn't happened yet. shoot them some money if you like it! i thought it was very good, possibly the funniest amanda's been also the model is like a live show ticket style deal, analogous to one viewing in person, so the 'available until' date on the VOD isn't when it's unavailable forever, it's when your access ends if you buy now, so don't feel like you have to get it before it's gone.
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Here's a smosh thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4104332
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I liked when the whole crew immediately broke down at Jacob's look in the second warp filter
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BSam posted:is very funny when you go on to type all this this is "I'm not mad you're mad!!" type posting lol
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Thundercat on Um Actually, lmao, that rules
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ricro posted:I liked when the whole crew immediately broke down at Jacob's look in the second warp filter Was this the shared Airbnb one because that was incredible
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