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Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

I would like to know when the Dems are putting in HR1 and Infrastructure Bill for vote.

Fritz the Horse posted:

To contribute:

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1384493137213726723

Some details on Biden's second big package, this time focused on "families"

Universal pre-K and community college?

This is good news.

Gatts fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 20, 2021

# ¿ Apr 20, 2021 17:53

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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 20:54

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

AOC is also playing some ball with the Biden Administration and seemingly to me has been somewhat quieter lately unless the media has moved on with the outrage.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2021 20:47

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SourKraut posted:

Here come the Bell Riots

Be on the look out for these two.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2021 22:02

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generic one posted:

I haven�t seen any specifics, but FWIW, since the data won�t be delivered until September 30th, it�s possible that means courts have to get involved, just due to the quick turnaround.

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1360288919821123589?s=21

Well das not good. You'd want to avoid getting the courts involved after the stuffing Mitch gave it.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2021 22:07

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Rea posted:

State courts would be getting involved, not federal courts, as I understand it.

So....are state courts in better condition than Federal Courts? I may not want to actually have an answer lest it depress me.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2021 22:14

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zoux posted:

New CDC guidelines for fully vaxxed people just came out:

In part this sounds like trying to come up with incentives for people to vaccinate and feel some degree of normality. I do feel it still early for it just from a personal bullshit perspective in light of what�s going on in India or Brazil and I will still wear a mask for months after even though I am vaccinated but it is cool if the science says this is ok.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2021 18:50

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Thom12255 posted:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1387428897659183112

This would be very nice. Hopefully no one dies over the next 12 months.

*slams fist on button* Execute Order Money Machine go Brrrrrr

Do it now goddamnit, go nuclear, kill the filibuster and railroad Washington full hog

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 17:06

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zoux posted:

They also seized his devices as well and my confidence in Rudy Buttdial's ability to fully purge evidence from electronic devices is very low. (Tip to FBI agents: check the "recycle bin")

Another piece of sad news: the third member of the Apollo 11 crew, Michael Collins, died today at 90.

I'll balance that out with a piece of good news

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1387186813085884417

Lol was going to post that article next page

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 17:36

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zoux posted:

Normally I'd agree but if there's one man we can count on to gently caress up beyond all conception it's America's Mayor

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1387489306189705219

GOP brand not looking great, and they don't seem to be doing anything that would reverse this trend

https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1387469273732243456

lmao, Republicans are such unbelievable clowns, how do they run the whole loving country

75 million people voted for Trump. Half this country is fubar and irredeemable. I wouldn�t take 25% as anything legit.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 21:33

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Bel Shazar posted:

75 million is less than a quarter of our country. That 25% lines up in a way.

Yeah yeah you�re right, half people who voted

My bad I didn�t think it fully through

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 21:43

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

Watching CNN and seeing Kaisich flip out at Biden wanting to spend Z6 trillion dollars with tax hike and spout same old bullshit about debt and seeing Erin Burnett all but agree it astonishes me America only wants to spend trillions killing brown people in the Middle East for nothing but not want to invest in itself or is fighting it

# ¿ Apr 29, 2021 00:33

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evilweasel posted:

Modern Monetary Theory seems - as commonly discussed - to veer from trivially true things to wildly incorrect assertions based on misunderstanding those trivially true things. It is much like the laffer curve - it is trivially true that at 0% tax and 100% tax you're probably getting no taxes, and your ideal tax rate is somewhere above 0% and below 100%. That is trivially true and useless. The conclusion drawn from it - lower taxes, get more revenue! - is, as everyone here knows, entirely false.

People who appear to not be economists have seized on modern monetary theory to argue, basically, (1) if a country issues debt denominated in its own currency, that debt doesn't really matter - you can always print more money to satisfy it. Further, that (2) because the sovereign issues currency, taxes and spending aren't really "taking" and "spending" money in the way you envision it, but instead "destroying" and "creating" money.

Combined, these are used to effectively advocate that debts/deficits aren't really relevant.

When MMT is correct, it is basically trivially correct in that it is not wrong, per se. (2) is basically this - sure, you can think of it that way and just by thinking in that way you have not said something technically wrong. It is not, however, a useful way to think about government taxing and spending at all. (1) is in a sense trivially true - yes, a government can inflate its currency to nothingness and thus effectively abolish its debt. But in a more accurate sense, you are effectively saying "you don't have to declare bankruptcy to eliminate your debts! just commit suicide!" It is a fantastically stupid approach. A country can just default on its debt! Just ask Argentina, which does it with such regularity that if you have an Argentinian government bond you are legally considered a sucker. Defaulting on your debt is bad, but it is infinitely better than hyperinflating your own currency to basically (but not technically!) default on your debt - because you get all the downsides of defaulting on your debt AND you have wrecked your ability to issue your own currency for the foreseeable future, at great additional cost to your economy.

How Should You Think About Taxing And Spending Of A Government?

If you want to understand taxing/spending/deficits, a dumb model where you are creating and destroying currency isn't helpful. Instead, eliminate the model and go straight to what is actually happening. A government requires labor and materials. Our government employs hundreds of thousands of people. It has immense amounts of material things procured for it (e.g. road building materials, military hardware, or just plain computers for those hundreds of thousands of workers). That labor and materials comes out of the wider economy. A government must have a mechanism for obtaining it.

That doesn't have to be by money! The government can simply compel labor - for example, the military draft. A government can compel labor in other ways - ancient governments would require forced labor from free people as a form of taxation, or just enslave some portion of the people under its control. It can simply obtain material in kind - for example, medieval kings might just requisition food for their army as they passed through instead of paying for it.

But at the end of the day, the government takes goods and services from the wider economy. Over human history we have learned which methods are better at causing less collateral damage (randomly requisitioning poo poo-tons of goods - not a good method) and/or are more moral (it is, generally, frowned upon to run your government with slaves these days). We have, generally, settled on taxation: citizens pay taxes in money (not goods), and the government uses that money to purchase goods and services in the market like any other market participant. That money can be its own locally-printed currency, or it can be commodity currency (e.g. gold). But at the end of the day, the principal reason we do things this way instead of directly compelling the provision of goods and services is that it works much, much better - people prefer to pay currency than be compelled to labor and you can get specialists, taxing in money instead of taking the goods you need encourages rather than discourages the production of those goods.

But everything the government uses, it has taken from the wider economy. It has done so directly (seizure of the goods it wants, compulsory labor for services) or indirectly (cash taxation, and payment for services and goods), or something in between. At the end of the day, any method of funding a government involves this transfer. You can model it in different ways, but that's the core thing that is occurring. As long as the government is paying for goods and services, the money for that is coming from somewhere.

How Does Our Government Work?

Our government, as everyone knows, taxes people to obtain money, and spends money on goods and services. But our government spends more on goods and services than it takes in in taxes. Where does that excess come from?

In our system, it comes from the holders of US debt. If I buy a government bond, I forego some goods or services I could have, in exchange for a promise I will obtain money from the government in the future to obtain goods and services. The expectation is that this payment (denominated in dollars) will allow me to purchase approximately equal or greater goods and services in the future. Purchase of US government debt is voluntary: it is not a tax (requiring everyone to purchase debt would just be another form of tax).

You pay interest on that debt. How much interest depends on the market for capital. For the past decade+, that interest has been effectively zero or negative because we have been in a demand slump. This is not usually the case: when there is more demand for capital than capital, you will pay higher interest rates.

How Does Taxing and Spending Impact The Economy?

Taxing acts as a drag on the economy. It has to: it's taking goods and services out of the economy (indirectly). Spending, on the other hand, generally acts as a boost to the economy - you are increasing demand for goods and services and offering a profit to provide them.

When you're spending more than you tax, you can be benefiting the economy. If you are taxing more than you are spending, you can be reducing the economy (this can be beneficial when the economy is in a bubble). That's not always true, but it's generally true.

Keynesian economics - the basically correct form of economics - says that over the long term you should borrow money in recessions to benefit the economy, and then overtax and pay that money back in boom times, to deflate the economy. This is because recessions are usually demand-driven - there is less demand for goods and services than the economy could supply, so you create new demand. Further, boom times are also generally demand driven - there is more demand for goods and services than the economy can supply, so you need to reduce that demand (to avoid creating asset bubbles).

Overall, you should not run a deficit because you want to be most efficiently matching the money you take out vs. you put in.

What Are Alternatives To Issuing Debt?

Sometimes a country wants to spend more than it can tax, and it can't or won't issue debt. It can then fund its spending by "seniorage" - printing new money. The government takes in $100 billion, it prints $50 billion, and then spends $150 billion. Where did this additional $50b of goods and services come from?

It came from the only place it can: the wider economy. The government got $150b of goods and services, so in some way it extracted $150b of goods and services. The only question is how.

Generally speaking, it did this by inflation. It made its currency worth less: $1 of currency before the creation of the additional $50b bought you more goods and services than it does today. What you have effectively done is instituted a tax on cash holdings. This is considered a tremendously bad idea, generally speaking, because it is how hyperinflation happens. If the government is simply minting currency to pay its debts, that currency will generally trend rapidly towards being worthless. It's not hard to evade this implicit tax - you just trade your local currency for a different one. A rich person with WeimarBucks sells them and buys dollars, and puts those dollars in a bank account - and thus doesn't pay this tax. But that enhances the drop in value of the currency (many people want to sell it; few people want to buy it) and you get a hyperinflationary spiral.

At the end of a hyperinflationary spiral, you effectively lack the ability to issue a national fiat currency. This is a bad thing, because a national fiat currency does a lot of natural balancing of imports and exports that smooths out the country's business cycle. If your country uses the currency of another nation, that can seriously damage your economy if the economy of that nation doesn't match yours the currency will move the opposite way it should, deepening recessions and inflating asset bubbles.

Now, sometimes - when you are in a recession where demand for goods and services is lower than the economy can supply - you don't cause inflation. Here, you are doing exactly what Keynesian economics suggests you do - you are creating artificial demand. You've just done it through a different method. This unusual case is what has happened since the financial crisis. The Fed has printed a lot of currency and used it to create artificial demand. The key thing here is that the Fed is kept very separate from the rest of the government so that the Fed doesn't get pressured to create money to fund the government - instead, it uses its money creation powers only to balance the economy (and, it is paired with the power to effectively destroy that created money at the appropriate time - something governments operating via seniorage generally do not do). This is all well understood by Keynesian economics and is why the Fed - despite republicans - has taken this course since 2008. It is not something MMT has shown anyone.

What Does Modern Monetary Theory Tell Us?

Nothing.

On debt - yes, you can fund your government, if it issues debt in its own currency, by printing new currency to inflate that debt away to nothingness. You have now effectively defaulted on your debt - that you did not "technically" do so won't matter to anyone. But you also ruined your ability to issue new fiat currency. That was a stupid thing to do as well, because you can just say "guys we're not going to pay our debt, sorry" without wrecking your currency as well. Either way, you're not issuing new debt anytime soon.

What does it tell us about our deficits? Nothing. The MMT answer is basically "it doesn't matter" or "it doesn't matter until it causes inflation". The first is nonsense. The second is trivially true but Kenesian economics already told us that.

MMT appears to be a backlash to Republican economics, which tells us that our deficit means we are spending too much. MMT wants to preserve and enhance our spending, so it says "deficits don't matter".

But does our "structural" deficit (the deficit we run overall, not just today) actually tell us? It tells us that we are spending too much or our taxes are too low. And the actual answer is (b) - our taxes are too low. The deficit should be fixed not by cutting spending, but by increasing taxes.

Republicans believe you can't raise taxes. People advocating MMT appear to have accepted that principle, which is a stupid principle. It is arguing to, essentially, ignore the deficit. But we shouldn't! We've fixed our deficit in my lifetime - when President Clinton raised taxes. We re-created it again in my lifetime - when Bush II cut taxes. We would trivially fix the deficit by returning to Clinton-era tax rates, and have plenty of room to grow spending. There is no reason to accept this stupid republican principle of "never increase taxes" and create a new, stupid, economic theory around it.

People tend to argue MMT in opposition to Republican economics, say republican economics are stupid, therefore MMT is right. Yes, republican economics are stupid. But they're not real economics. Keynesian economics is the gold standard, not the babble of the republican party, and you need to do better than that, not "it is an immutable law of the universe American taxes cannot go up".

We agree our government needs to supply more goods and services than the taxes it raises pay for. We should not solve that by some nonsense about how money isn't real and we're creating and destroying it every second where the conclusion is a laffer-curve esque "we can just have a free lunch!" We should just fix it by raising taxes.

I would like to thank you for this post. I wonder what would happen if I were to share it on facebook...I don't even know why I would bother to do that but sometimes I stare into the abyss and get curious at souless oblivion and the thought of jumping into it apparently....

# ¿ May 1, 2021 19:00

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Zwabu posted:

You could say the same about MTG or Boebert. We live in Trump LoonWorld now.

Part of the problem is they have a platform that validates their view and allows it to fester. The Right Wing in America is the same as ISIS or Al Qaida and Jan 6th was an example. Fox News and conservatism need to be gone and even a former Australian PM suggests Murdoch media contributes to the problem

# ¿ May 2, 2021 00:18

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Charlz Guybon posted:

Decorum poisoning to the point of madness
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1394247477650468864

The Supreme Court has gone rogue! They won�t turn in their gun and badge! Loose cannons!

# ¿ May 17, 2021 13:28

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

If the US has accepted a way of life of sacrificing its people to the police and gun god with no massive overhaul then it probably will be another case of protesting and politicians going welp can�t do anything for like 50 years unless this list of things go perfectly.

# ¿ May 17, 2021 15:28

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Lmao at the AOC parking scandal

# ¿ May 19, 2021 22:35

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TulliusCicero posted:

...I didn't think anything could get more pathetic than these weirdos being mad AOC doesn't wear a potato sack to Congress and instead nice clothes, but I stand once again mistaken

This wierd fascination with her is pretty stalkerish tbh

Did you see some of the stuff that came out in her first year? A bunch of young republicans had a cut out of her and were kissing it in front of a camera amongst other things and I�m pretty sure Ted Cruz has a thing for her because he�s tried to work on policy with her despite repeatedly being dunked on.

They�re infatuated with her and since conservatives are hosed up on their ability to relate to and understand women they can�t process it in a healthy way.

# ¿ May 19, 2021 22:41

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Rea posted:

Apparently the stripping of powers has to pass the full state legislature, and then be signed off on by the governor.

Even so, jesus christ that's blatant, even for the GOP.

I think this is a sort of cold civil war going on with the GOP doing some evil shady poo poo to undermine the US and it needs to be called out more often.

Cold Civil War except for the white Supremecist right wingers killing POC and shooting poo poo up

# ¿ May 26, 2021 03:06

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7of7 posted:

Cold? They literally attacked the US capitol and are now trying to halt investigations of their attack. It's a full on war against the US.

Good point

# ¿ May 26, 2021 03:33

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

An activist hedge fund just got at least two people (but, possibly up to 1/3 of the board) elected to the board of Exxon-Mobile who support ending commercial gas and oil.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/business/exxon-mobil-climate-change.html

Small victories. We will take it!

# ¿ May 27, 2021 00:13

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

America, and the entire West, needs to dismantle and crush the entire conservative apparatus if it�s going to survive

# ¿ May 31, 2021 22:07

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LionArcher posted:

What thread where?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3865334&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

I assume it's this thread in Business Finance and Careers

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 01:11

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punishedkissinger posted:

this is funny and not even offensive. what the gently caress is wrong with that school

It is in fact the conservatives who are the snowflakes and like to cancel people and hurt their lives.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 01:31

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

At the NYC Mayoral debate tonight, Yang just announced new policies to revitalize New York tourism after COVID.

- A "Moratorium on small business fines" to encourage businesses to try new things without fear of being fined.
- A new cabinet-level position to appoint a Secretary of Night Life to specifically be involved in bars, attractions, and restaurants.

The 1st seems like a disaster of an idea and will lead to pain.

The second I'm kind of cool with. "Who are you?" "I'm the Secretary of Nightlife, dude! Let's drop the beat and turn Manhattan into an island of rave after 9pm! Defund the police and instead fund giant rear end speakers all over the city!"

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 02:05

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/barnard-kemter-speech-cut-off-as-he-talks-about-black-history-of-memorial-day

quote:

Organizer Cuts Veteran�s Mic as He Talks About Black History of Memorial Day
PURE DISRESPECT
Jamie Ross
News Correspondent
Published Jun. 03, 2021 5:29AM ET

Hudson Community Television/Vimeo
When retired Army Lt. Col. Barnard Kemter�s mic cut out during his speech explaining the role Black people played in establishing Memorial Day, he seemed to think it was just a technical glitch. However, according to the Akron Beacon Journal, organizers at the Hudson, Ohio, event cut him off on purpose because of the content of his speech. Kemter�s mic went quiet during a section of his speech when he was discussing how a group of freed Black people were among the first to commemorate what came to be known as Memorial Day after the surrender of the Confederacy in 1865. The Beacon Journal reports that an organizer, Cindy Suchan, had reviewed Kemter�s speech before he delivered it and asked him to remove that section�and decided to cut him off when he went ahead with it. Suchan told the newspaper that the section �was not relevant to our program for the day� and that the �theme of the day was honoring Hudson veterans.� Kemter said he was disappointed that organizers would try to censor his freedom of speech, remarking: �This is not the same country I fought for.�

No conservative operates in good faith or is worth anything in what they say or do. They do not support the troops or free speech.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 18:10

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Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1400403402044149763?s=20

So this person cannot be removed for any reason or is that just wishful thinking?

Lol so the guy changed his mind? No longer multiple times?

American �democracy� is a joke

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 20:32

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Froghammer posted:

I'm sorry what

Ron Destantis arrested the scientist telling the truth about Covid in Florida as she was releasing data.

Months later places like CNN or others ran stories about how Florida recovered from the pandemic and rose like a Phoenix and poo poo so was Desantis right? Without reference to the arrest of that lady.

Example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/17/politics/ron-desantis-covid-florida/index.html

Gatts fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 3, 2021

# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 23:19

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Please do keep in mind something like the 13th amendment abolished some slavery but what it really did was backhand another way to permit it through incarceration. Slavery is constitutionally legal in the United States in the year of our lord 2021 if someone is in convicted and this is how law and law enforcement marginalizes people of color through legislation, disenfranchisement, and for profit prison industry.

I am also honestly surprised there is no major campaign nationally to adjust it.

�Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.�

# ¿ Jun 8, 2021 22:00

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Ither posted:

The secret is cloning or actually finding the Holy Grail.

Cloning won�t help since nurture comes into play. You can get someone with certain propensities or temperament maybe but how they are raised matters for how they process it or rationalize it

# ¿ Jun 8, 2021 22:19

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

The problem is that whatever government you have, you need good people who are competent and capable in charge and an environment that can foster their ability to get into power and be just with it and get things done. And even then as we see, if they get there the people who vote are an issue because 75 million Americans saw Trump and evil and said we want more.

Current state doesn�t allow that. Even if you get a good President, the Senate kills it all. So can you find a good capable person with good intentions and maybe make them and trust them to fix democracy then step aside? Like make a Bernie dictator for 5 years, give him carte Blanche to fix things, then step aside?

# ¿ Jun 8, 2021 22:25

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Kraftwerk posted:

Hypothetically would an AI do a better job than a human assuming it has the right inputs and ethics? We already outsource our day to day decision making to them, might as well have it govern.

Who is designing it? There have been articles that are famous for finding out automated cars can�t detect black people as well as other people

# ¿ Jun 8, 2021 22:32

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

No, I think it's more an issue of "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". Even the most well meaning, benevolent person can get into office intending to do great things and be corrupted by the influence of maintaining their personal grip on power. For me, it's less the individual person than the system at large.

One scenario. The problem becomes the benevolent person has a vision and ends up believing they are best and only capable of doing it. They have mistrust and think if they are gone then things turn bad again and it won�t happen so they create the mental gymnastics to keep their influence.

It needs a certain level of self awareness and management and skill and willingness to let go and not get caught up in fear and emotion and insecurity

# ¿ Jun 8, 2021 23:21

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EDIT: Well, perhaps I should be more careful

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# ¿ Jun 9, 2021 00:07

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Thom12255 posted:

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1402625045978042374

Raise the taxes on corporations and billionaires. 80%. For every complaint, raise it 1%.

# ¿ Jun 9, 2021 15:17

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

hmm. so i assume we have ohio trumpist senator next year or do the dems have someone?

The Dems have Tim Ryan.

Everyone hates Josh Mandel and I went to high school with him and he sucks but it's Ohio.

So, welp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio

According to this...Jerry loving Springer is supposedly categorized as "potential" under Democratic primary and at this point the chaos in me that stares into the abyss of oblivion says pull the trigger.

EDIT: Maybe I need to make some calls.

Gatts fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jun 10, 2021

# ¿ Jun 10, 2021 02:10

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Handsome Ralph posted:

He's already said he won't due to his age (77), so at least we know he's good enough to recognize we don't need another septuagenarian running around in the senate.

Also I wasn't aware until today he was born in a London Tube station during a bombing raid in WWII.

On the other hand I am tempted to hear "JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!" echo the halls as Josh Hawley fights Mitt Romney on the floor of the Senate.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2021 04:13

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Wasn�t there incentive in the past for the US that had a high tax rate and the only way you could get around that was to invest/expand business or something that drove growth? So businesses invested into the economy

# ¿ Jun 10, 2021 17:20

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Thom12255 posted:

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1403063418865786884

Feinstein is a GOP psyop, right? Like�I get it she�s old and her marbles are cluttered but like�what

Edit: ok maybe I need to re understand

Gatts fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 10, 2021

# ¿ Jun 10, 2021 21:36

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1403148417644236802

Well my impression of NYC politics is that it�s kind of like mafia. The Police doing poo poo like threatening the Mayor�s family doesn�t help. So why would anyone with sense run? Cuomo hated Deblasio and probably took joy in undermining him and as long as he�s governor given what he�s done and what�s come out not sure why you�d want to run unless you�re probably in some inner circle

# ¿ Jun 11, 2021 02:35

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# ¿ Apr 19, 2024 20:54

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

The SCOTUS stuff is mostly good. The Catholic day care one is odd, but the fact it is unanimous means it wasn't likely to be upheld I guess.

In other news, Florida Republicans are getting their campaign strategies for 2023 together.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1405500440805003268

Well�I mean�you know, maybe her winning isn�t so bad.

I�m probably going to regret looking at her policy but it would get rid of the crazy GOP guy wanting to murder her

# ¿ Jun 17, 2021 23:22

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