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Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


Getting a flurry of texts from the owner on your day off over some bullshit he definitely doesn't understand is definitely a good sign.

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Twenty Four




rear end-penny posted:

You've been at the same place for a long while right? How often does management get changed up? What is preventing you from looking for other employment?

Yeah, like 15 years or so, give or take, I kind of lost exact track. At my old location, that I spent maybe 14ish years at, management would change every couple of years or so until the last change where we got a huge rear end in a top hat manager that was basically running me out until I transferred to a new location. I'm not saying all the previous managers were good, but when you are around for that long and none of the previous ones had any problems with me, you can gather that the problem was him, not myself. Not to toot my own horn, but I am pretty easy going and likeable, but also work really hard. Also considering when I transferred, the entire rest of the staff had either quit or transferred save myself and one other person not counting the new hires.

At my new location, which I have been at for maybe a year and a half (two and a half maybe?), we are looking at a third management change with two interim periods most of which happening rapid fire in the last half year, so like 5 total which is insane. Also the backup semi-competent guy who has filled in in between who has been with the company with me at both locations for maybe 8 years is leaving as soon as the next change comes around, or so I have heard through the grape vine, which frightens me since at least he could keep things running. All that said I still prefer this location then if I was stuck with the last management at the location I was at forever.

I have untreated anxiety issues and tend to fear the unknown so I worry about this stuff a lot, way more then I should. And that is one of the reasons I don't seek out other employment, as you asked. Even if it can be tumultuous at times, and I am often left mostly in the dark, I know I am good at my job and things usually work themselves out eventually. I'm not even sure what else I would do after doing the same thing for so long, and I doubt changing companies in the same field would change much other then probably being more corporate and less laid back, and not being able to have a few of the perks I get with my seniority and performance. The changes where I am scares me less then the change of going elsewhere. Even typing this all out makes me nervous.

All this for a job that has no benefits, no raises or bonuses (after 15 plus years!) and no advancement unless I wanted to make the mistake of going into management myself which I know would be a horrible idea. The management turnover is high for more then a couple of reasons. If I could go back in time, I would change everything, and I know the obvious easier said then done advice is "it's not too late!" but it really feels like it, especially considering what I said above.

Anyhow, sorry for the too long to read for byob serious post, but I guess that's what this thread is for!

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


Make as long a post as you need

Finger Prince

"I think he's watching us..."

"No, it's just the Mountain Peeks."
(Source)



Teddy Thunders posted:

I actually don't have a single desire in my body to sell, I'm just incredibly good at it. I have no ambition and the only reason I have a job is to satisfy my now estranged wife, because I run two separate businesses full time with a huge net profit (actual profit after expenses and taking out salary, not revenue) and actually enjoy my work when left to my own devices. Having a "real job," as she calls it, nets me zero benefits, I make an hourly poo poo wage, I'm berated constantly and it's cutting into my time that I could be spending volunteering or growing my own poo poo.

I never thought I could be in sales because I'd have to really believe in the product I'm selling to be convincing, but the older I get the more I think I could do it because I'm cynical and don't really give a poo poo. I still couldn't do it though. I thought most big corporate sales people were paid mostly or at least partly by commission? You're making multimillion dollar sales and you're paid an hourly wage? That's some bullshit.
The idea that working for some dillhole that pays you an hourly wage to say yes sir right away sir is the only real and honest way to make a buck is some hosed up bullshit and I wish I realized this 23 years ago.
In other news, I'll be returning to work soon, which is good, it'll be work from home for now, which is better, and I only need to do it for two more years, which is best. But I also need to do it for two more years which kind of sucks all that good better best stuff right out.

Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



That's the thing. I keep kicking the can down the road saying "just a few more months" and it's been two years almost.

I feel like two years is a long time considering that I'm the longest serving employee they've ever had. That's depressing.

Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



If I were pulling commission at the rate the former guy was I would have made over a million in two weeks.

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


That's what I fear, still saying "This is just temporary." a year or two later.

Finger Prince

"I think he's watching us..."

"No, it's just the Mountain Peeks."
(Source)



Escape From Noise posted:

That's what I fear, still saying "This is just temporary." a year or two later.

Sometimes it's all you can do to get you through it.

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


Finger Prince posted:

Sometimes it's all you can do to get you through it.

I don't think I could take a full year of this.

xcheopis




Finger Prince posted:

I never thought I could be in sales because I'd have to really believe in the product I'm selling to be convincing, but the older I get the more I think I could do it because I'm cynical and don't really give a poo poo. I still couldn't do it though.

I am still not able to sell convincingly unless I believe in what I'm selling HOWEVER this means that friends trust my recommendations, so think of it that way!

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Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


Last two years have been kind of hell tbh

xcheopis




Escape From Noise posted:

Last two years have been kind of hell tbh

Do you think your old job will be available again soon?

See a mighty city trampled to destruction! See missiles and atom bombs powerless! See civilisation rioting with fear!

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


xcheopis posted:

Do you think your old job will be available again soon?

Possibly? It really depends on the Osaka tax office in Kita-ku. The people in the company I talked to are very sure that they're getting their brewing license in July, the guy I know who's helping them with the paperwork for the license thinks it'll take longer than that. With how strict the tax office has been, the fourth COVID wave closing a lot of things down, and the company's inexperience with the whole process, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes until next year. They're apparently still going ahead with the Olympics despite the current increase in cases in most of the major cities, and I'd be surprised if we get a general vaccine rollout here before the end of the year, and with the tax office and other major non customer service places basically closing down mid December to mid January, I think this kind of cements the situation. We'll see though.

xcheopis




Escape From Noise posted:

Possibly? It really depends on the Osaka tax office in Kita-ku. The people in the company I talked to are very sure that they're getting their brewing license in July, the guy I know who's helping them with the paperwork for the license thinks it'll take longer than that. With how strict the tax office has been, the fourth COVID wave closing a lot of things down, and the company's inexperience with the whole process, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes until next year. They're apparently still going ahead with the Olympics despite the current increase in cases in most of the major cities, and I'd be surprised if we get a general vaccine rollout here before the end of the year, and with the tax office and other major non customer service places basically closing down mid December to mid January, I think this kind of cements the situation. We'll see though.

Oof. That's a long wait.

See a mighty city trampled to destruction! See missiles and atom bombs powerless! See civilisation rioting with fear!

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


xcheopis posted:

Oof. That's a long wait.

Also I'm supposed to give three months notice

xcheopis




One of our managers retired in March. I did some minor tasks for her, including making sure the invoices she processed were logged and copies saved to the right folder. Logging means having all of the PO information already set up, which kind of stopped happening around August. In fairness, it was a very, very busy and stressful time!
While we waited for a new manager to be hired, her part of the invoice process was taken over by another admin, who made it clear she didn't like doing it and barely put in any effort. Repeated reminders to please enter the info so that I can log the drat things got sullen replies.
Finally, the new manager was hired and it was decided that, effective immediately, I would take over that entire process. Fair enough! I have an accounting background and I've worked with the idiot software we use, so, yes, it's yet more work but at least it will get done.
It took me all day to process the backlog because the necessary information wasn't entered and/or she was putting the wrong information on the invoice. It's so frustrating.

At least it's done and I don't have to interact with her much any more.

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Ass-penny



Twenty Four that is a lot of turnover! I don't know if I could function like that.

Escape From Noise posted:

Also I'm supposed to give three months notice

what before you quit this job where the boss sounds like a child pretending to run a brewery?


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xcheopis




Escape From Noise posted:

Also I'm supposed to give three months notice

Is that standard (in Japan) for your industry?

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Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


rear end-penny posted:

Twenty Four that is a lot of turnover! I don't know if I could function like that.


what before you quit this job where the boss sounds like a child pretending to run a brewery?

Yeah. It's not exactly enforceable, legal requirement is one month in Japan, and you can be held financially accountable for leaving before that, the flip side is that it's legally very difficult to fire someone here.

All that aside, if I can leave, I probably give at least two months notice because I'd have to move again, and I'm currently living in a company apartment. Finding a new apartment and moving in here takes like a few months usually. First you need to find an apartment with a real estate agent, that usually takes about a month, then get approval from the landlord or property management company, then sign the contract and put down your money, then it takes a month or two before the apartment is usually ready.

I had to move in a rush the last couple times I moved, the time before last I ended up with a pretty crappy apartment, the next time was pretty good, but I think I could have found something a little better with more time. I was barely able to move into the new place before my old boss was kicking me out because they controlled the lease. Despite all of the problems I have here I don't think my current boss will pull anything like that, but moving here takes a lot more time and I'd like extra time to find something more ideal for me.

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


We actually cleaned a tank properly for the first time since I got here. Caustic mixed with hot water, followed by a hot water rinse, a cold water rinse, and finally paracetic acid mixed with cold water followed by a pressurization with CO2, degassing, and a final pressurization with CO2. It feels very good

magic cactus

We lied. We are not at war. There is no enemy. This is a rescue operation.

Oh man, usually I like my job, but today I had to proofread the most bullshit of all academic bullshit papers I've ever read thus far. The subject was basically every person's critique of academia rolled into one. Just thinking about the amount of money my boss probably made on this bullshit "study" makes me mad.



oh well, almost quittin' time.


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xcheopis




It's weird being in this office by myself again. Bit nice, because I can keep my mask off and turn up the volume on music.

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xcheopis




magic cactus posted:

Oh man, usually I like my job, but today I had to proofread the most bullshit of all academic bullshit papers I've ever read thus far. The subject was basically every person's critique of academia rolled into one. Just thinking about the amount of money my boss probably made on this bullshit "study" makes me mad.



oh well, almost quittin' time.

There are so many things I like about my job but some of the bureaucratic stuff is ridiculously stupid.

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Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



I have cleared approximately seven years in revenue, five in net profit, by myself in eight weeks.

My boss today: "I think you might be okay at selling but you should use <outdated verbiage>."

Me: but that doesn't apply anymore, because <reasons>.

My boss: "since when? It's always been like this, right?"

Me: since 2017. That's why you were hemorrhaging customers.

xcheopis




Teddy Thunders posted:

I have cleared approximately seven years in revenue, five in net profit, by myself in eight weeks.

My boss today: "I think you might be okay at selling but you should use <outdated verbiage>."

Me: but that doesn't apply anymore, because <reasons>.

My boss: "since when? It's always been like this, right?"

Me: since 2017. That's why you were hemorrhaging customers.

I so hate this type of boss. No jury of your peers would convict you.

See a mighty city trampled to destruction! See missiles and atom bombs powerless! See civilisation rioting with fear!

Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



I'm just bringing in money and making side deals and I might let one of the suppliers poach me. Less work and hella more money? Sure.

Finger Prince

"I think he's watching us..."

"No, it's just the Mountain Peeks."
(Source)



Teddy Thunders posted:

I'm just bringing in money and making side deals and I might let one of the suppliers poach me. Less work and hella more money? Sure.

this is the way.

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


Mormon Nailer posted:

I'm just bringing in money and making side deals and I might let one of the suppliers poach me. Less work and hella more money? Sure.

Oh hell yeah

Vernii



Mormon Nailer posted:

I'm just bringing in money and making side deals and I might let one of the suppliers poach me. Less work and hella more money? Sure.

Definitely take this option.

Escape From Noise

Would an advertising executive
Understand where the homeless live?
Would he know about the bubbles in his glass?
Would the bubbles in his glass
Understand what the man's golf cart is?
Do they know you can die frozen underneath an overpass?


My brain feels like mush today after the meeting and also moving paperwork stuff that still isn't resolved.

xcheopis




I shouldn't have to come to work if the temp is going to be over 74*.

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Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



They're hiring another sales rep at twice what I make and letting them work from home. New guy is 21 and in college still.

I'm done. I'm just, I'm about to lose it completely. I'm literally working through a pandemic selling my rear end off which is not even why I was hired, and I get paid poo poo an hour, and I work full time. With no benefits.

xcheopis




Mormon Nailer posted:

They're hiring another sales rep at twice what I make and letting them work from home. New guy is 21 and in college still.

I'm done. I'm just, I'm about to lose it completely. I'm literally working through a pandemic selling my rear end off which is not even why I was hired, and I get paid poo poo an hour, and I work full time. With no benefits.

Sounds like discrimination. Seriously. Can you get a free consult with an employment lawyer?

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Vernii



Mormon Nailer posted:

They're hiring another sales rep at twice what I make and letting them work from home. New guy is 21 and in college still.

I'm done. I'm just, I'm about to lose it completely. I'm literally working through a pandemic selling my rear end off which is not even why I was hired, and I get paid poo poo an hour, and I work full time. With no benefits.

Just quit. As long you aren't in the middle of nowhere, at minimum you can easily find a job doing the same thing for more money. You already mentioned a supplier is interested in you. Give em a call and see what comes of it.

Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



I can't just quit. I like that everyone is giving me advice that I didn't ask for too. Good. Great. Yes. I am aware that it's discrimination, I am aware that I am not valued and I can't just quit right now because reasons that are complicated. But soon. I am so mad.

Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



I'm not trying to be contrary but like, if I walk out there's a damned good chance my wife yanks my house away from me. On top of that, I get paid just enough that I can't get any assistance with anything, so. I'm hosed either way.

I'm just going to go also my dick on the competitor's table and tell them they're going to hire me for more money and let me work from home. Barring that I'll retreat into the loving woods and live amongst the wolves, see if I give a flying gently caress anymore.

Ass-penny



Is your wife tied to the company you're working for? Or they just don't want you walking out without an actual job offer on the table? Either way, reading these posts is really helping put my work related problems into perspective. I know you're strong enough to power through this.


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Mormon Nailer

PHANTOM QUEEN



rear end-penny posted:

Is your wife tied to the company you're working for? Or they just don't want you walking out without an actual job offer on the table? Either way, reading these posts is really helping put my work related problems into perspective. I know you're strong enough to power through this.

My wife has zip to do with my company. My wife just holds my house in her name as a carrot. It's complicated and I don't want to get into it, she lives on the west coast and works for big Search Engine, high up, and basically this is my consolation prize for being a practice spouse. Things are in slow motion for dissolution because reasons. I get nothing but a place to live and health insurance in the meantime.

I have zero freedom in my life, I have an illness that is overtaking me, and what's left of my sanity is crumbling due to circumstances beyond my control. It's real good.

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